Meanwhile in Ukraine

[bolty58]

1 hour ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

America has made a hell of a lot of money on the back of the war.

With the introduction of sanctions, it has supplied vast amounts of LNG to Europe, with the world gas price high.

Kerching. 

It may also be said that Donald would want the war to continue.

Yep. Lots of 'might saying' but actions speak louder than words.

Altruism from where I am standing but sinister left wing cynics and haters will paint a very different picture.

[Sweep]

9 hours ago, Farrelli said:

This US Ambassador Carla Sands on Newsnight. Dear me. She just told Victoria Derbyshire that the UK has more political prisoners than all of Russia. Blimey, these people are off their tiny heads. 

That was just crazy, she was a proper politician Sands, she didn't really answer any of the questions posed to her

[London Wanderer]

4 hours ago, bolty58 said:

Sadly, it isn't just him. So many so blinded with hate they can't see the wood for the trees.

"Not my President". Nor would he choose to be for some of those fucking mutants.

“Today I heard, ‘oh, well, we weren’t invited.’ Well, you’ve been there for three years ... You should have never started it. You could have made a deal,” he said.
 

You’re both defending this…

Alongside a vice President who thinks said Europe poses more of a threat than Russia.

And we’re the irrational ones on drugs who’ve lost our heads

You muppet 😂

Russia’s goal to disband NATO is up & running

[Bertie]

21 minutes ago, bolty58 said:

Yep. Lots of 'might saying' but actions speak louder than words.

Altruism from where I am standing but sinister left wing cynics and haters will paint a very different picture.

Altruism = “disinterested and selfless concern for the well-being of others”.

Yeah right 🙄.  I don’t think Dumb Donnie could grasp this concept.

Even a stretch for you that one.

[mickbrown]

8 hours ago, royal white said:

You’re heads going ain’t it. 😂

Piers has just simplified things for you, the Don is trying to bring peace but he’s still the bad man. Obviously it’s still not simple enough for you to get. 

Apparently the terms he’s suggesting regarding mineral rights etc, are worse than the reparations Germany had to pay after WW1. There’s peace and there’s bending an entire nation over and shafting them. 

[kent_white]

44 minutes ago, bolty58 said:

Yep. Lots of 'might saying' but actions speak louder than words.

Altruism from where I am standing but sinister left wing cynics and haters will paint a very different picture.

Altruism? 

Are we talking about the same Donald Trump here? 

I'm not having it that this isn't an intentional wind up! 😂

[Farrelli]

Bolty is too far gone. Sinister slags are out to get him (he wishes)😃

[Farrelli]

31 minutes ago, Sweep said:

That was just crazy, she was a proper politician Sands, she didn't really answer any of the questions posed to her

It was a great performance by Sands, off the scale crazy whilst still smiling! Victoria Derbyshire was struggling to hide her contempt and I don’t blame her.

[Farrelli]

It does warrant a watch if you have time. 

[gonzo]

Didn't Vance refer to us as an Islamic country the other month?

[Duck Egg]

X is a cesspit but worth a glance now and again for the odd funny vid and so long as you take everything with a huge pinch of salt, it feels like no harm done.  

The amount of fake stuff on there and anti immigrant/downright racist shite I thought, was easy enough to dismiss as rubbish. It's a bit worrying when senior politicians in the US clearly take it seriously and believe some of the crap.

[mickbrown]

2 hours ago, Farrelli said:

It does warrant a watch if you have time. 

Fuck me. It’s a cult. For a cunt. 
 

Americans are fucking strange. 

[bolty58]

2 hours ago, kent_white said:

Altruism? 

Are we talking about the same Donald Trump here? 

I'm not having it that this isn't an intentional wind up! 😂

Moi? Perish the thought. A strong leader bent on ending wars.

We need more strong leaders with a vision. Enough of bureaucratic committees and bleeding heart liberals frightened of offending any fucker whatsoever.

"This is a democracy. Decisions will be made in favour of the majority. Vocal minorities will be ignored".

[bolty58]

2 hours ago, gonzo said:

Didn't Vance refer to us as an Islamic country the other month?

Visionary. He was looking a few years into the future most likely.

[bolty58]

1 minute ago, mickbrown said:

Fuck me. It’s a cult. For a cunt. 
 

Americans are fucking strange. 

Those I know think we are.

Touche.

[mickbrown]

2 minutes ago, bolty58 said:

Those I know think we are.

Touche.

Aye. I also think Aussies are strange 😉

[bolty58]

2 minutes ago, mickbrown said:

Aye. I also think Aussies are strange 😉

You are not wrong pal. Could write a book on the subject.

I was here for the first six months thinking they were proper miserable. Loads of stuff labelled 'mickey mouse' and I was privately thinking 'looks alreet to me'.

Turns out to be diametrically opposite to the UK definition.

 

[Bertie]

1 hour ago, bolty58 said:

Moi? Perish the thought. A strong leader bent on ending wars.

We need more strong leaders with a vision. Enough of bureaucratic committees and bleeding heart liberals frightened of offending any fucker whatsoever.

"This is a democracy. Decisions will be made in favour of the majority. Vocal minorities will be ignored".

Great conference by Zelensky just now.  Real leadership.  Truth over lies. Facts over fiction.  
Probably means them losing the US as an ally (Trumpy will have a fit when he wakes up), but I think that’s already happened anyway.
I’m sure Ukrainians will rally round their leader, and now Europe needs to do the same.
Let the US disappear into the international wilderness until the Dems return in 4 years.

Edited February 19, 2025 by Bertie

[BobyBrno]

11 minutes ago, bolty58 said:

You are not wrong pal. Could write a book on the subject.

I was here for the first six months thinking they were proper miserable. Loads of stuff labelled 'mickey mouse' and I was privately thinking 'looks alreet to me'.

Turns out to be diametrically opposite to the UK definition.

 

Keep it short mate.

Bogans! 😉

It’s like France. Beautiful country spoiled by French people. 😊

 

[kent_white]

36 minutes ago, bolty58 said:

Moi? Perish the thought. A strong leader bent on ending wars.

We need more strong leaders with a vision. Enough of bureaucratic committees and bleeding heart liberals frightened of offending any fucker whatsoever.

"This is a democracy. Decisions will be made in favour of the majority. Vocal minorities will be ignored".

It was more the altruistic part I was querying. 

I can see why the 'strong man' type leader appeals to some people. 

What your describing isn't a healthy democracy. It's called the 'tyranny of the majority'. 

A well functioning democracy protects minority rights and perspectives alongside majority rule. 

It's not just about counting votes - it's about creating a society where everybodies dignities and rights are protected. 

For me at least. 

And that's what I worry DT doesn't understand. Or doesn't care about. 

[Not in Crawley]

Fucking hell, this thread is quite something. Self declared proud Brits supporting appeasement, a complete misunderstanding of the basic tenets of democracy and support for the tearing down of the post war consensus that has gave us Pax Europaea.

Quite the read.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

Well, I do think it was right to give Trump the benefit of the doubt, but I'm now doubting he has any benefit to bring.

Still time of course, but so far he seems deranged. 

[gonzo]

29 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

Fucking hell, this thread is quite something. Self declared proud Brits supporting appeasement, a complete misunderstanding of the basic tenets of democracy and support for the tearing down of the post war consensus that has gave us Pax Europaea.

Quite the read.

The lefties and centrists fighting for the free world against a tyrannical  dictator.

Who'd Ave thunked it.

Rule Britainia 🌊 🇬🇧 

Edited February 19, 2025 by gonzo

[Bertie]

Can’t beat a bit of fact checking.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9814k2jlxko

[Zico]

6 hours ago, gonzo said:

A sceptic might say Ol Donald is only in this for what he can get his hands on. 

 

 

this is why I struggle with the notion he's a peace maker, or doing the right thing in trying to end the wars where othes have failed

yes, people will stop getting kiled

but look at what he's apparently been saying and doing

wants to end the war in Isreael, take over Gaza, not let Palestinains back and build a riveria

wants to end the war in Russia, highly likely he will let Putin keep what he's taken, and then told Ukraine it will cost them big time for US to keep the peace and basically keep things ticking over, and if they don't like it, he'll walk away and let Russia carry on

those aren't peace deals

they are business deals that would benefit him greatly

because he's primiarily a business man and not a poltician

edit:

let's wait and see what happens, not holding my breath, and expect it to work out far better for the US and Russia than Ukraine