Meanwhile in Ukraine

[London Wanderer]

4 minutes ago, royal white said:

Again you’re avoiding europes (or some of) reaction to Trump. You keep going off on a tangent. 

Tangents... Mr. Belgium and fckn Portugal 😂😂
 

I'm not ignoring or avoiding anything. Europe haven't said they would support a deal where Ukraine loses out significantly. 

And now The big Don has just said that "Ukraine shouldn't have started the war"

Where the hell do you start with that one mate?

At least we can now agree that he's an idiot who can't be trusted anywhere near these peace deals. 

 

[Zico]

1 hour ago, MalcolmW said:

Crimea has passed back and forth between Russia and Ukraine many times.

It was part of Russia in Stalin's time, and he drove the Tatars out.

When Khrushchev took over after Stalin's death he transferred Crimea to Ukraine in an attempt to encourage them to return (but they did not anyway).

Putin repossessed Crimea in 2014 and there was a lot of hand-wringing from the West, but nothing more.

Putin invaded further in 2022 as detailed above and Zelensky did not fall and has survived. He wants the full border restored including Crimea.

Trump (or a competent spokesperson) should privately say to Putin that the options are :

1. keep Crimea and give up all other land taken,

2, allow the UN to organise voting in each Oblast, etc. with the results binding. (TGhis may well have the same result as option 1 anyway), or 

3. remain a pariah state for the rest of your time.

 

as i understood it, after not taking kiev, his full focus has been on stealing a corridor of land from russia to crimea

without it he's back to square one before the war started

can't see him going for that 

[London Wanderer]

6 minutes ago, mickbrown said:

He’s off his massive orange tits. 
 

It’s like Putin handed him an A4 of shit to say. 

We reach a point where you don't think you'll be surprised by the shit he says. And then he goes and reaches another level. 

Off his tits and bending over backwards for Putin.

At least folk on here won't be trying to defend his 'achievements' in getting 'peace talks' organised after he's come out with this stinker. 

[Farrelli]

Trump is a disgusting human being. I can’t believe how low he will stoop.

[royal white]

10 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

Tangents... Mr. Belgium and fckn Portugal 😂😂
 

I'm not ignoring or avoiding anything. Europe haven't said they would support a deal where Ukraine loses out significantly. 

And now The big Don has just said that "Ukraine shouldn't have started the war"

Where the hell do you start with that one mate?

At least we can now agree that he's an idiot who can't be trusted anywhere near these peace deals. 

 

Oh so they can have a bit now can they  😂 even though you think Trump is going to let Russia have eastern Ukraine 🤦🏻 you don’t help yourself lad. Just admit Europe have been pretty shit over  the last few years. There’s been zero interest in peace from them.

 

Yes it was a bizarre comment, he was getting some valid points over as well. 

As for not being trusted near the peace deals…..good luck with that .

[royal white]

1 minute ago, Farrelli said:

Trump is a disgusting human being. I can’t believe how low he will stoop.

Mr Trump, or The Don please. Show some fkin respect 

[London Wanderer]

1 minute ago, royal white said:

Oh so they can have a bit now can they  😂 even though you think Trump is going to let Russia have eastern Ukraine 🤦🏻 you don’t help yourself lad. Just admit Europe have been pretty shit over  the last few years. There’s been zero interest in peace from them.

 

Yes it was a bizarre comment, he was getting some valid points over as well. 

As for not being trusted near the peace deals…..good luck with that .

Europe have been shit .... Trump was making some valid points...? 😂😂 

Have you been cooking meth? 

Why the hell would I admit those ridiculous statements. 

Europe, the US and Ukraine have done well, without sending troops, to support Ukraine. Did you expect them to free the whole of Ukraine within a couple of years or so without military presence? 

Putin wants Ukraine overthrown, a pro Russian government installed, and access to huge amounts of land and resources. Why would Europe agree to that ? In the name of 'peace'.

You're now trying to argue that not pandering to a dictator and war criminal means you have zero interest in peace. You are spinning some circles here 😁

I'm glad you spotted some valid points in amongst that line he's just come out with.

Just do yourself a favour here, there's no defending him or his 'peace talks' after tonight. Don't be the one who now tries to do it, it won't look good x 

[Farrelli]

This US Ambassador Carla Sands on Newsnight. Dear me. She just told Victoria Derbyshire that the UK has more political prisoners than all of Russia. Blimey, these people are off their tiny heads. 

[Farrelli]

3 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

Europe have been shit .... Trump was making some valid points...? 😂😂 

Have you been cooking meth? 

Why the hell would I admit those ridiculous statements. 

Europe, the US and Ukraine have done well, without sending troops, to support Ukraine. Did you expect them to free the whole of Ukraine within a couple of years or so without military presence? 

Putin wants Ukraine overthrown, a pro Russian government installed, and access to huge amounts of land and resources. Why would Europe agree to that ? In the name of 'peace'.

You're now trying to argue that not pandering to a dictator and war criminal means you have zero interest in peace. You are spinning some circles here 😁

I'm glad you spotted some valid points in amongst that line he's just come out with.

Just do yourself a favour here, there's no defending him or his 'peace talks' after tonight. Don't be the one who now tries to do it, it won't look good x 

It’s all Europes fault apparently. That’s the line from Trump and his fans. I truly despair.

[Bertie]

3 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

This US Ambassador Carla Sands on Newsnight. Dear me. She just told Victoria Derbyshire that the UK has more political prisoners than all of Russia. Blimey, these people are off their tiny heads. 

You would hope that fewer people over here believe this made-up shit and projection compared to redneck America……..but who knows anymore. 

[royal white]

1 minute ago, London Wanderer said:

Europe have been shit .... Trump was making some valid points...? 😂😂 

Have you been cooking meth? 

Why the hell would I admit those ridiculous statements. 

Europe, the US and Ukraine have done well, without sending troops, to support Ukraine. Did you expect them to free the whole of Ukraine within a couple of years or so without military presence? 

Putin wants Ukraine overthrown, a pro Russian government installed, and access to huge amounts of land and resources. Why would Europe agree to that ? In the name of 'peace'.

You're now trying to argue that not pandering to a dictator and war criminal means you have zero interest in peace. You are spinning some circles here 😁

I'm glad you spotted some valid points in amongst that line he's just come out with.

Just do yourself a favour here, there's no defending him or his 'peace talks' after tonight. Don't be the one who now tries to do it, it won't look good x 

In the way of getting a peace deal they’ve been massively shit as they’ve done fuck all. Weird how KS said yesterday that we and our allies have to step up. Not really a comment you’d expect from countries that are doing well hey. 
 

Would you be happy with peace and Russia taking a bit of land or would you rather the killing continue at a cost of billions to ourselves? Now I know you’re going to try and spin it in as many ways as you can but basically that’s what it’s going to come down to. 

[bolty58]

10 hours ago, Zico said:

 

 Your faith in the feckless bureaucrats of Brussels is admirable. Misguided but admirable.

[London Wanderer]

2 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

It’s all Europes fault apparently. That’s the line from Trump and his fans. I truly despair.

Grim isn't it.

"Europe have been shit. They don't care about peace and haven't even tried to achieve peace". 

We have some loony rednecks right here on this thread. Who'll be along to defend him, even after his latest remarks. 

Been at the 'peace talks' for one day and he's already accused Ukraine of starting the war. Fcking idiot. 

 

[mickbrown]

9 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

This US Ambassador Carla Sands on Newsnight. Dear me. She just told Victoria Derbyshire that the UK has more political prisoners than all of Russia. Blimey, these people are off their tiny heads. 

 
 

It’s like the Handmade’s Tale this shit

[bolty58]

10 hours ago, Casino said:

its definitely wanting that

not suggesting it might be for the greater good

definitely wanting

but hes known to be a hypocrite, so no surprise

 So you would like to see Trump assassinated but not Putin? One a warmonger but you'd like to see the peacemaker assassinated. Sounds like hypocrisy might be your thing.

Give it a rest pal. Shouldn't you be searching for Islamists to appease?

[bolty58]

10 hours ago, Casino said:

oooops

hes probably fishing

I don't have heavy duty enough line for you matey 😉

[bolty58]

10 hours ago, Sweep said:

I thought you were against people wanting/suggesting the assassination of folk?!!? 😉

No. Only against Casino.

[bolty58]

10 hours ago, Zico said:

you'll find similar fantasies regarding Nancy Pelosi if you care to look for them

I'll save you the time. That evil fucker deserves any misfortune which befalls her.

[London Wanderer]

14 minutes ago, royal white said:

In the way of getting a peace deal they’ve been massively shit as they’ve done fuck all. Weird how KS said yesterday that we and our allies have to step up. Not really a comment you’d expect from countries that are doing well hey. 
 

Would you be happy with peace and Russia taking a bit of land or would you rather the killing continue at a cost of billions to ourselves? Now I know you’re going to try and spin it in as many ways as you can but basically that’s what it’s going to come down to. 

We've discussed all of this over and over. Why are you asking the same questions? 

Why on earth would Europe (& the previous US govn) agree to peace talks that completely undermined Ukraine? That's not peace. And it won't create long term peace. 

If you think Putin's demands will revolve only around 'a bit of land', then you've lost the plot lad. Does it heck 'just come down to that'. 

Just like Trump today, who you've been defending all week 🤣

1 fckn day of 'peace talks' and he's come out with this already. 

Edited February 18, 2025 by London Wanderer

[Farrelli]

3 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

Grim isn't it.

"Europe have been shit. They don't care about peace and haven't even tried to achieve peace". 

We have some loony rednecks right here on this thread. Who'll be along to defend him, even after his latest remarks. 

Been at the 'peace talks' for one day and he's already accused Ukraine of starting the war. Fcking idiot. 

 

It certainly is grim. Putin and Trump are tearing up the world order as we knew it.

[London Wanderer]

Just now, Farrelli said:

It certainly is grim. Putin and Trump are tearing up the world order as we knew it.

He's just a bit bizarre, gets a bit carried away sometimes.

Nothing to worry about here. 

Pandering to one of the world's most brutal dictators won't present any further problems down the line. 

Trump's a man of peace who gets things done that nobody else could. 

[bolty58]

6 hours ago, wakey said:

Confuses me this side of the forum.

If I've got it straight, the same people hailing Trump for stopping death and destruction don't seem too arsed about Israel razing Gaza to the ground. How's that work?

You can't be that simple?

[royal white]

1 minute ago, London Wanderer said:

We've discussed all of this over and over. Why are you asking the same questions? 

Why on earth would Europe (& the previous US govn) agree to peace talks that completely undermined Ukraine? That's not peace. And it won't create long term peace. 

If you think Putin's demands will revolve only around 'a bit of land', then you've lost the plot lad.

Just like Trump today, who you've been defending all week 🤣

1 fckn day of 'peace talks' and he's come out with this already. 

I’ve asked the same question because as I predicted you go off on a tangent and try to spin it. If you can’t answer just say. (I’d be a bit ashamed to say I’d want the killing to continue as well 😉) 
 

So back to our leader. Why is he going to send Troops on the ground if Russia are taking masses of land? I thought he was against that? You constantly contradict yourself yet don’t realise it. 
 

How do you know these peace talks would have completely undermined Ukraine? Are you privy something? Nothing was attempted as it’s to easy just to send money over. 

[bolty58]

17 minutes ago, mickbrown said:

 
 

It’s like the Handmade’s Tale this shit

I'll tell my handmaid.

[Not in Crawley]

18 minutes ago, mickbrown said:

 
 

It’s like the Handmade’s Tale this shit

Like they are that literate.