Meanwhile in Ukraine

[Tonge moor green jacket]

Can't be arsed reading back, but Trump's outburst will have inadvertently put pressure on his mate Farage.

Inevitably he got questioned as soon as he arrived about it.

Like him or not, Farage handled it well. No wonder Sultana is booting off with him.

[Not in Crawley]

Sort what? 

A country has invaded a sovereign state under no pretext of defence, but for an simple expansionist agenda.

It really is that simple, if we allow Ukraine to give up there own lands, what precedent does that set?

It should not be adhered to, it should not be allowed, and any capitulation will just embolden not only Russia but other dictatorial regimes the world over.

That is something that simple cannot be allowed.

[Cheese]

Can you imagine the Gammons' outrage if Biden had called Zelenskyy a dictator, claimed Ukraine started the war, and threatened their very existance if they didn't agree to roll over and give Putin everything he wants, whilst also demanding a 50% cut of all their natural resources in exchange for negotiating the 'deal' in talks that lasted 5 hours, and didn't even involve Ukraine?

[kent_white]

Just now, Cheese said:

Can you imagine the Gammons' outrage if Biden had called Zelenskyy a dictator, claimed Ukraine started the war, and threatened their very existance if they didn't agree to roll over and give Putin everything he wants, whilst also demanding a 50% cut of all their natural resources in exchange for negotiating the 'deal' in talks that lasted 5 hours, and didn't even involve Ukraine?

And he probably would have tripped over as well! 

[Zico]

10 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Can you imagine the Gammons' outrage if Biden had called Zelenskyy a dictator, claimed Ukraine started the war, and threatened their very existance if they didn't agree to roll over and give Putin everything he wants, whilst also demanding a 50% cut of all their natural resources in exchange for negotiating the 'deal' in talks that lasted 5 hours, and didn't even involve Ukraine?

I imagined they'd secretly like him but still pretend they don't

[royal white]

If only there was this 

16 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

Sort what? 

A country has invaded a sovereign state under no pretext of defence, but for an simple expansionist agenda.

It really is that simple, if we allow Ukraine to give up there own lands, what precedent does that set?

It should not be adhered to, it should not be allowed, and any capitulation will just embolden not only Russia but other dictatorial regimes the world over.

That is something that simple cannot be allowed.

Like we invaded Iraq? 

[Zico]

18 minutes ago, royal white said:

I’m in no way agreeing with what trump has said, but I’m saying Europe has fucked up here.  They’ve had 3 years to try and sort something 

Sort something? 

Like what

Like making Ukraine hand over what he started the war for in the first place? 

If not 

Then what?

Perhaps if we'd sat down with Hitler earlier we could've just let him have Poland on the promise he wouldn't take France and the Netherlands, plus leave the Jews alone 

Could've avoided a lot of war and death 

Given you're said you don't agree with what Trump has said 

I genuinely want to know what agreement you think Europe should've tried come to with Putin to make him happy enough to pull his troops out and stop long before he realised he wasn't going to get what he initially set out for

[Spider]

We’ve reached a point where folk are so entrenched in their support for trump that they’ll side with Putin if it means not losing face on the socials.

Thats where we are now.

its

ok

to

change

your

mind

[only1swanny]

7 minutes ago, Spider said:

We’ve reached a point where folk are so entrenched in their support for trump that they’ll side with Putin if it means not losing face on the socials.

Thats where we are now.

its

ok

to

change

your

mind

Very much so.

Guys not wired properly to be coming out with all this,  funny when he's annoying Americans but he seems to believe he's on charge of the world 

[London Wanderer]

56 minutes ago, royal white said:

Quickly 😂😂

November when they knew Trump was getting into power in January..

You had high expectations for December 😂😂

[royal white]

10 minutes ago, Zico said:

Sort something? 

Like what

Like making Ukraine hand over what he started the war for in the first place? 

If not 

Then what?

Perhaps if we'd sat down with Hitler earlier we could've just let him have Poland on the promise he wouldn't take France and the Netherlands, plus leave the Jews alone 

Could've avoided a lot of war and death 

Given you're said you don't agree with what Trump has said 

I genuinely want to know what agreement you think Europe should've tried come to with Putin to make him happy enough to pull his troops out and stop long before he realised he wasn't going to get what he initially set out for

Fuck me how many times do I have to mention this. Even LW had admitted they might have to offer some land. Trump has been saying this for ages. 

As for the compromise then you will have to see what America does. If over a dozen countries in Europe aren’t even able to offer some sort of negotiation, even the very start  of negotiations then what hope is there? 
 

and please stop comparing us with Germany with the current conflict. It’s embarrassing. 

[Not in Crawley]

27 minutes ago, royal white said:

If only there was this 

Like we invaded Iraq? 

I've not defended the invasion of Iraq at all.

 

[royal white]

1 minute ago, London Wanderer said:

November when they knew Trump was getting into power in January..

You had high expectations for December 😂😂

Zelensky was meeting Trump when? 

[Not in Crawley]

12 minutes ago, Spider said:

We’ve reached a point where folk are so entrenched in their support for trump that they’ll side with Putin if it means not losing face on the socials.

Thats where we are now.

its

ok

to

change

your

mind

Ro be fair to RW, you'd want him next to you in any trench - he won't deviate, he won't question. Set him on a path and he'll follow it through to the bitter end.

[gonzo]

16 minutes ago, Spider said:

We’ve reached a point where folk are so entrenched in their support for trump that they’ll side with Putin if it means not losing face on the socials.

Thats where we are now.

its

ok

to

change

your

mind

It's also OK to agree with some stuff but not other stuff.

Trump is 100% right not to allow Biological males to compete in women's sport and block the visas for anyone intending to compete there. How it's ever even been allowed to happen is a disgrace.

There's plenty of stuff he's right about. 

This he's massively fucking wrong about.

Edited February 20, 2025 by gonzo

[kent_white]

4 minutes ago, royal white said:

Zelensky was meeting Trump when? 

What do you think the absolute least Trump should settle for in this deal is? 

[royal white]

1 minute ago, gonzo said:

It's also OK to agree with some stuff but not other stuff.

Trump is 100% right not to allow Biological males to compete in women's sport and block the visas for anyone intending to compete there. How it's ever even been allowed to happen is a disgrace.

There's plenty of stuff he's right about. 

This he's massively fucking wrong about.

I said that a couple of pages back. It will kill for some people to agree with him.

[royal white]

1 minute ago, kent_white said:

What do you think the absolute least Trump should settle for in this deal is? 

Not a clue. He’s a business man like we know, if he’s as shit as many people make out then we will be fine. If he’s better then…..it’s anyone’s guess 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

https://www.arte.tv/en/videos/114590-000-A/intercepted/

Just started watching/listening. 

Apparently, the information was given to the film company by the Ukrainian authorities, so some control may have been applied. 

[London Wanderer]

4 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

Ro be fair to RW, you'd want him next to you in any trench - he won't deviate, he won't question. Set him on a path and he'll follow it through to the bitter end.

Bitter end indeed, he’d be ace.

 I’m impressed by his stamina 

Everything Trump has come out with, & he’s still coming out with wild tangents about  Iraq & Europe.

Averaging about a post every 5 minutes. Will someone tell his wife & kids he’s ok ? 
 

All because it’s too hard to admit Trump is handling it terribly. 

[Spider]

8 minutes ago, gonzo said:

It's also OK to agree with some stuff but not other stuff.

Trump is 100% right not to allow Biological males to compete in women's sport and block the visas for anyone intending to compete there. How it's ever even been allowed to happen is a disgrace.

There's plenty of stuff he's right about. 

This he's massively fucking wrong about.

Iiiiiinnnn one

[royal white]

10 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

Ro be fair to RW, you'd want him next to you in any trench - he won't deviate, he won't question. Set him on a path and he'll follow it through to the bitter end.

Who is Ro? I’ve questioned many military actions. I said  on one of these pages a year or so back that  social media and the Internet will play a part in many conflicts. 

[Spider]

6 minutes ago, royal white said:

I said that a couple of pages back. It will kill for some people to agree with him.

Not really

ive said previously he gets the odd thing correct.

But his negatives far outweigh his positives.

even a broken clock etc….

[London Wanderer]

7 minutes ago, royal white said:

I said that a couple of pages back. It will kill for some people to agree with him.

Think you missed the point entirely again 😂

See the last sentence.

It’s clear you think he’s right on this one

 Embarrassing x 

[royal white]

3 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

Bitter end indeed, he’d be ace.

 I’m impressed by his stamina 

Everything Trump has come out with, & he’s still coming out with wild tangents about  Iraq & Europe.

Averaging about a post every 5 minutes. Will someone tell his wife & kids he’s ok ? 
 

All because it’s too hard to admit Trump is handling it terribly. 

So you should be you weak individual😉