Stockport FAC

[Roger_Dubuis]

After the easy likes gained from hosting a  charity  match well, the new owners come crashing back down to earth with yet another horror show on their watch

Accrington 1-7, Port Vale 3-6, Wigan 0-4, Stockport 3-5 - take your pick which was the biggest shitshow 

2 years on the team is hardly any better than when they came in and had to sign up a dozen freebies in a weekend before the transfer deadline.

Players not up to it, manager not good enough and naive owners who made the baffling decision to sack the club captain rather than the manager.They'll be sacking the manager soon enough.

Had a quick look on Wolves, Man Utd and Wigan forums - all laughing at how crap Bolton are.There's even Bury fans having a titter on the BBC match discussion.Something, a lot of things need to change

 

[Max Cherry]

8 hours ago, CambridgeBWFC said:

Nah it just shows up the lack of depth for me, we are badly missing jones at RB, MJ in the middle as well and losing Sheehan meant that link between the front 3 and the midfield was gone. 

We don't have a leader though on the pitch, we saw last season the effect Gilks had with his organisation.  We are badly missing that this season, I think MJ does this to a degree and we missed that tonight.

 

I know we are stretched but we still got mullered by a non league team after being given 3 goals! can't crumble like that because MJ and Doyle are missing.  Not an isolated result this its been coming for weeks. 

Plus if Evatt is so good why can we still not take a decent set piece.? Set up a decent defence? Basics 

[CambridgeBWFC]

4 minutes ago, Max Cherry said:

I know we are stretched but we still got mullered by a non league team after being given 3 goals! can't crumble like that because MJ and Doyle are missing.  Not an isolated result this its been coming for weeks. 

Plus if Evatt is so good why can we still not take a decent set piece.? Set up a decent defence? Basics 

Cup games are freaks, giant killings happen all the time as lower league teams put everything into it, couple that with our paper thin squad and lack of depth in key positions and we get last night. It isn't an isolated incident this season, but the others have been against better opposition in the league and we have had quite a few injuries. We are still rebuilding and that will take time and I just don't think changing the manager is the answer right now. In fact I think it will set us back a lot further.

He does have limitations as you say, set pieces are a frustrating weakness,  although I thought Amechi's delivery looked a lot better yesterday. The defence is crying out for organisation and you are not getting that from Dixon, as good as Santos can be he needs telling what to do which might be down to age, or he is just one of those footballers. My main concern is still around Sarce leaving and trouble behind the scenes, and IF that is driven by Evatt then maybe something would need to be done. But we have no idea so it is all speculation at the moment 

 

[CambridgeBWFC]

17 minutes ago, Roger_Dubuis said:

2 years on the team is hardly any better than when they came in and had to sign up a dozen freebies in a weekend before the transfer deadline.

 

Had a quick look on Wolves, Man Utd and Wigan forums - all laughing at how crap Bolton are.

 

First bit is bullshit, of course we better by some distance than that first cobbled together team, the summer window hasn't strengthened as much as we hoped but it feels more down to key individuals linkinh the team and organisation on the pitch rather than just utter dogshit players.

Course you were on the Utd forum, and I couldn't give a shit what that basket case of a club thinks. Still sore from the Liverpool and City drubbing.

 

[Max Cherry]

12 minutes ago, CambridgeBWFC said:

Cup games are freaks, giant killings happen all the time as lower league teams put everything into it, couple that with our paper thin squad and lack of depth in key positions and we get last night. It isn't an isolated incident this season, but the others have been against better opposition in the league and we have had quite a few injuries. We are still rebuilding and that will take time and I just don't think changing the manager is the answer right now. In fact I think it will set us back a lot further.

He does have limitations as you say, set pieces are a frustrating weakness,  although I thought Amechi's delivery looked a lot better yesterday. The defence is crying out for organisation and you are not getting that from Dixon, as good as Santos can be he needs telling what to do which might be down to age, or he is just one of those footballers. My main concern is still around Sarce leaving and trouble behind the scenes, and IF that is driven by Evatt then maybe something would need to be done. But we have no idea so it is all speculation at the moment 

 

Sorry but you can't put that performance down to freak cup result.

All the same failings were there not going over them again. Roger is a bullshitting red but he's right in that we are an utter shambles with the same failings from when he first took over. I thought Evatt was the man to put pride back in us but he isn't. Great if want possession stats by passing it around in our own half but defence is crap, no steel in middle and toothless up front.

 A bold prediction he will be gone this season.  not just based on this game but our league form, the Sarcevic affair and if associated rumblings about our Messiah are true hes toast. 

Red Rodge was right about us being a laughing stock as well it pains me to say

[masi 51]

9 hours ago, Arrested development said:

Thomason can fuck off back to longridge town. Fucking shite. 

he is 19 ffs much worse on the field than him

 

[Eddie]

4 minutes ago, Max Cherry said:

Sorry but you can't put that performance down to freak cup result.

All the same failings were there not going over them again. Roger is a bullshitting red but he's right in that we are an utter shambles with the same failings from when he first took over. I thought Evatt was the man to put pride back in us but he isn't. Great if want possession stats by passing it around in our own half but defence is crap, no steel in middle and toothless up front.

 A bold prediction he will be gone this season.  not just based on this game but our league form, the Sarcevic affair and if associated rumblings about our Messiah are true hes toast. 

Red Rodge was right about us being a laughing stock as well it pains me to say

I thought last night was as shit as anyone but you’ve put a good case forward for overreaction of the week there.

He got us promoted at the first time of asking and we’re sat mid table in our first season back in L1 - 6 points off the play offs.

We’ve got a style of play but we’ve got no depth to the squad and we’re missing a leader on the pitch. It’s not perfect but it never was going to be with how much he’s had to rebuild. He’s still the biggest asset that the club has IMO and no cup defeat, no matter how shit, changes my mind on that.

Also, why does this Sarcevic situation now get thrown at him as a negative? Nobody knows what happens, and if you believe any of the rumours then it’s a good job he’s gone.

I think we’ll limp to January, we’ll win some and we’ll lose some. I’d hope that we sign 3-4 players that can improve us and plug some of the obvious gaps and that might give us an outside shot of the play offs. If not then so be it, I’d still fully expect us to improve next year and likely have a full season of going for promotion.

Lower your immediate expectations (not last night, that was just shit) and enjoy the ride. The general direction is up but that doesn’t mean that it will be constant.

[leef78]

9 hours ago, Anderson said:

This cannot be a serious question?

Not only was the man a colossal bellend, he was also completely and utterly shambolic in everything he did from tactics and gameplay to transfers.

Exactly!

[leef78]

10 minutes ago, masi 51 said:

he is 19 ffs much worse on the field than him

 

Without a doubt! He's a young lad that was out of his depth last night as older wiser much more experienced heads lost the plot. He'll learn. As said above! there were MUCH worse than him last night!

[Traf]

44 minutes ago, CambridgeBWFC said:

First bit is bullshit, of course we better by some distance than that first cobbled together team, the summer window hasn't strengthened as much as we hoped but it feels more down to key individuals linkinh the team and organisation on the pitch rather than just utter dogshit players.

Course you were on the Utd forum, and I couldn't give a shit what that basket case of a club thinks. Still sore from the Liverpool and City drubbing.

 

This with fucking bells on.

[desperado]

8 hours ago, CambridgeBWFC said:

Nah it just shows up the lack of depth for me, we are badly missing jones at RB, MJ in the middle as well and losing Sheehan meant that link between the front 3 and the midfield was gone. 

We don't have a leader though on the pitch, we saw last season the effect Gilks had with his organisation.  We are badly missing that this season, I think MJ does this to a degree and we missed that tonight.

 

The depth in quality is a concern - but I’m sure FV/IE know this and like last year will look to address it. Massively missed MJ. 

When key players are missing MJ, Doyle, Jones. Or more frustratingly don’t play well; John, Johnstone, Sheehan, Lee, Dapo, Baka - then it’s plain to see why we didn’t win.

I’m leaving Thomason off that list as he never shied away from wanting the ball and was left isolated in the middle of the park.

Was there too much partying/drinking at the weekend? 

 

7 hours ago, Traf said:

The worst we've played for some time, but the reality is that we got knocked out of a cup we couldn't win by a team giving their absolute best.

League positions mean nothing in the Cup. We won at Anfield, Goodison & Highbury : it didn't mean we were better than those clubs., we just applied ourselves better on the day.

Evatt is still well in credit and the team/squad is a work in progress. We strengthened last January and in the summer and I expect we'll go again in Jan. We're not going up and we're not going down.

I was disappointed during and immediately after the game, but that has passed now. My two current concerns are a lack of strength in depth, Jones, Williams & Doyle were badly missed and also Evatt's reluctance to stick with a centre half partnership for more than one game at a time.

Take a point at Wycombe and start afresh.

But after being critical of the embarrassing result last night, thank goodness there is a voice of reason. Great post Traf. Some people need to re-read Trafs post to get some perspective.

Great to see some of you before the game. @Elvis @Mr Grey @radcliffe white @Steejay @Marc505 (hope that train journey back to Nottingham was ok) And @MickyD cheers for the recommendation of The Wellington and the singing tips 😉

See you at Wycombe!

[Traf]

Going to take more than the 16 months Evatt has had so far to reverse years of decline at our club. I don't care if we scrape staying up by a point or goal difference this season, it will still be forward progress.

The last thing (I hope) I'm going to say about last night is that Stockport are only non-league by name. They're the new Salford, a bit of money goes a long way in the National League and they'd at least 3 if not more players on bigger salaries than our lot. If they can get out of NL this time, they'll spend again and do well in L2. 

[Max Cherry]

17 minutes ago, Eddie said:

I thought last night was as shit as anyone but you’ve put a good case forward for overreaction of the week there.

He got us promoted at the first time of asking and we’re sat mid table in our first season back in L1 - 6 points off the play offs.

We’ve got a style of play but we’ve got no depth to the squad and we’re missing a leader on the pitch. It’s not perfect but it never was going to be with how much he’s had to rebuild. He’s still the biggest asset that the club has IMO and no cup defeat, no matter how shit, changes my mind on that.

Also, why does this Sarcevic situation now get thrown at him as a negative? Nobody knows what happens, and if you believe any of the rumours then it’s a good job he’s gone.

I think we’ll limp to January, we’ll win some and we’ll lose some. I’d hope that we sign 3-4 players that can improve us and plug some of the obvious gaps and that might give us an outside shot of the play offs. If not then so be it, I’d still fully expect us to improve next year and likely have a full season of going for promotion.

Lower your immediate expectations (not last night, that was just shit) and enjoy the ride. The general direction is up but that doesn’t mean that it will be constant.

I honestly don't have any expectations to lower. I expect to concede the first goal, expect to concede more than any other team in the league, expect us never to score from a set piece expect him to sign more old boys (though none of the decent ones it seems) and I expect him to still delude himself we are a good team. I expect a relegation battle from here on in.

How's that for an over reaction? 😆

[Traf]

Seven teams in our league have a worse defensive record this season.

[Mounts Kipper]

4 minutes ago, Max Cherry said:

I honestly don't have any expectations to lower. I expect to concede the first goal, expect to concede more than any other team in the league, expect us never to score from a set piece expect him to sign more old boys (though none of the decent ones it seems) and I expect him to still delude himself we are a good team. I expect a relegation battle from here on in.

How's that for an over reaction? 😆

Yours is half glass empty view Eddie’s half full, I’m with Eddie…. Get yourself some sun. 

[L/H White]

5 minutes ago, Traf said:

Seven teams in our league have a worse defensive record this season.

Madden is on £3500 a week

[Traf]

5 minutes ago, L/H White said:

Madden is on £3500 a week

Quigley on similar, Sarce on more.

[woolli]

7 hours ago, Cheese said:

Do you mean me, or are you just saying "Cheese" for no discernable reason?

i mean you!, who seemed quite happy to loose at Cambridge  Sunderland, Sheffield Wednesday, Rotherham, Wigan, Plymouth, Portsmouth, and now this shit! Time to take your rose tinted glasses off, and accept this lot are not good enough, and, all Evatts signings! There is a common denominator in all those games! We didnt score a goal! Now then, im sure at some point you said we didnt need a striker?, Like Evatt! Really? I accept that Rome wasnt made in a day, and we have also had some good results, 4-1, at Charlton, 5-2 at Ipswich, but they were games we were playing these teams at just the right time. 

Cant really find any positives from last night, starting from the back, Isgrove is not a full back. If Evatt thinks that he his a better option than Baptiste and Brockbank at right back, against a non league team, then they both need fucking off in Jan . Declan John as not been the same player since he signed is contract! Midfield, not alot to say really, as they were non existent. Lee tried his hardest, but cant do it all on his own. Thomasson was woeful! Forward line. WTF did Evatt see in Kachunga?, and Baka for that matter. Although Doyle as not been scoring, his work ethic is far better than these two. Infact, Non league Stockport had better forwards in Quigley and Madden, than our two.

So, in a nutshell, Evatt as alot of work to do, if given the chance. Things have worsened since the Sarc saga, i still think there is more to it than meets the eye. The most embarrassing defeat in the clubs history.

Whats your opinion Cheese? You still happy with how things are progressing?

[Eddie]

13 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Yours is half glass empty view Eddie’s half full, I’m with Eddie…. Get yourself some sun. 

About to say pretty much the same thing Mounts. I just don’t see the point in getting down about it. I hate the fact that our set pieces are pointless, I moan at every one of them at the game, I find it ridiculous that we seem to concede first every game no matter how much we are dominating the game, it winds me up that we shy away from a fight and there are plenty of other things that aren’t perfect.

But, we’re 11th in the league (so if we’re as bad as Max Cherry say then there’s some reallyyyy bad teams in the league), we’ve got a club to support, we’ve got owners that I trust, we’ve got a young manager who only knows success in his (granted short) managerial career, we’ve got players that excite and on our day play better football than I’ve seen since I was a kid and to be perfectly honest, I fully expect and believe that we’ll be in the championship within 2 seasons.

Feb-Sep was pretty much perfect, Oct was completely shit, I reckon Nov-Jan will be somewhere in between. Fingers crossed Feb-May will be great again after some signings. We’re Bolton, nothing is plain sailing or easy, there will be more results where we think the world is ending but like I said - enjoy the ride because the general trend is up and that couldn’t really have been said since about 2010.

p.s. I’m still fuming about last night and currently think they’re a bunch of bottleless twats!

Edited November 18, 2021 by Eddie

[radcliffe white]

Cup shocks happen we all get that and fair play to stockport

I agree with Dave our set pieces and delivery is shocking and nothing has improved from last season and that really is basic stuff

Conceding 7 goals against a non league side is poor and IE should know all about the quigley fella

for me there’s problems behind the scenes and IE is at the root 

 

[Max Cherry]

17 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Yours is half glass empty view Eddie’s half full, I’m with Eddie…. Get yourself some sun. 

Yes to the sun and I hope you and Eddie are right I really do.

But I'm not going away until next year so expect to be miserable until then!

[Eddie]

1 minute ago, Max Cherry said:

Yes to the sun and I hope you and Eddie are right I really do.

But I'm not going away until next year so expect to be miserable until then!

😂 in that case get some mulled wine down you then, it could be worse!

[woolli]

3 minutes ago, radcliffe white said:

Cup shocks happen we all get that and fair play to stockport

I agree with Dave our set pieces and delivery is shocking and nothing has improved from last season and that really is basic stuff

Conceding 7 goals against a non league side is poor and IE should know all about the quigley fella

for me there’s problems behind the scenes and IE is at the root 

 

Agree entirely with your last paragraph. There is something wrong within the camp, and Evatt, could quite possibly be the root cause.

 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

9 hours ago, Deanu said:

Thomason got left in the shit more like, you can look shit when you're 19 & exposed trying to patrol a whole team. If you're anchoring the team it's usually for the older heads who know what's around them. At least he was giving his team mates some during the game, all the others couldn't have give a fuck. Soft as shit!

 

9 hours ago, RONNIE PHILLIPS said:

Totally agree with you there, Thomason was the boy with his finger in the dam.... Whilst a few around him didn't seem to give a damn. He's 19 ffs! 

This.

Hung out to dry. A similar thing with Brockbank. Neither might turn out to be good enough, but the latter was stiched up against Wigan- a quality winger to face and no support from the man in front.

Isgrove was OK going forward last night, but was exposed defensively. I doubt Evatt will be critical of him.

It's ok baracking young players, but it's unfair to drop them in, in awkward circumstances, then folk criticise them when others around aren't pulling their weight. 

Once again last night we saw Dapo trotting around and achieving largely nothing.

Whether some of them have become too comfortable or simply aren't as good as they think they are, I'm not sure, but they need to pull their finger out or do one.

Spider- it's all well and good saying "don't panic" etc- up until now I've been in agreement, but we've been saying such time after time and things are getting worse. Prospective signings will have seen that last night, so January might be difficult too.

Don't care who the players are, nor the competition: if selected work hard. If you don't want to, then be lazy elsewhere. Not acceptable. 

Hart can fuck off too.

 

 

[emus wig]

Our options for right back are poor Kachunga is also poor on that side . No MJ weakened the central midfield considerably. I lost count how much cheap ball we gave away they seemed first to every second ball . Player for player on the night they were stronger than us and if they play like that every week they will piss the National league . I think they took a lot of confidence from the first game . We’ve got to scrap until the transfer window our squad is paper thin .