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[Mounts Kipper]

10 hours ago, tomski said:

We are about to walk into one of our 3 mid table seasons in 30 odd years. 

It’s all about opinions, my view is we are more likely mid table if we get shut of Evatt… we take the Oxford performance on the chin, learn from it, recruit players that will sort the problems we’ve seen all season and go again all guns blazing. 

[Roger_Dubuis]

30 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Unless you look at promotion under Big Sam where it took us 3 stabs at the play offs to go up?

Or under Ian Greaves where it took us 4 attempts I think?

Sam was promoted in his 2nd season, his first season he took over part way though the season with Bolton in mid table.

Greaves had two near misses before winning the league title.

But both those managers were managing Bolton in the 2nd tier up against better clubs and better managers than Evatt is competing against.Some fear Rotherham and Huddersfield will be too good next season, well in  Greaves title winning year he organised Bolton's budget to finish above Tottenham, Southampton, Sunderland, Sheffield United, Stoke, Crystal Palace among others.

So lets not equate getting Bolton out of the 3rd Division with the more difficult  task of getting Bolton out of the 2nd Division.

[masi 51]

12 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

It’s all about opinions, my view is we are more likely mid table if we get shut of Evatt… we take the Oxford performance on the chin, learn from it, recruit players that will sort the problems we’ve seen all season and go again all guns blazing. 

So we go from two top six positions to mid table mediocracy because we get rid of a manager who only plays one way and we keep the same squad.

We took the Wigan performance, Carlisle, Reading and Blackpool performances on the chin.....What players does Evatt recruit???

Another right wing back, Another Left wing back...All our players are under contract and Evatt wont/does not want to change

Any decent manager would get that group of players into the play-offs minimum

[Mounts Kipper]

3 hours ago, masi 51 said:

So we go from two top six positions to mid table mediocracy because we get rid of a manager who only plays one way and we keep the same squad.

We took the Wigan performance, Carlisle, Reading and Blackpool performances on the chin.....What players does Evatt recruit???

Another right wing back, Another Left wing back...All our players are under contract and Evatt wont/does not want to change

Any decent manager would get that group of players into the play-offs minimum

Quite right they would, you forgetting who put that squad together…I’ll remind you his name.. Ian Evatt, the fella you want to get rid of. 

[gonzo]

4 hours ago, Roger_Dubuis said:

Sam was promoted in his 2nd season, his first season he took over part way though the season with Bolton in mid table.

Greaves had two near misses before winning the league title.

But both those managers were managing Bolton in the 2nd tier up against better clubs and better managers than Evatt is competing against.Some fear Rotherham and Huddersfield will be too good next season, well in  Greaves title winning year he organised Bolton's budget to finish above Tottenham, Southampton, Sunderland, Sheffield United, Stoke, Crystal Palace among others.

So lets not equate getting Bolton out of the 3rd Division with the more difficult  task of getting Bolton out of the 2nd Division.

I equated them because Tomski equated our current situation to the Phil Neal situation in 1991. 2 near play off misses and then a crap midtable affair.

I was saying it could be like other scenarios.

In reality it's all a complete load of bollocks.

Past seasons mean absolutely nothing and there is no correlation or parallels whatsoever.

People's memories draw comparisons but in truth they mean nothing. Nothing at all.

We missed out on promotion by next to fuck all last season.

Thing go even a single result better this season we get promotion. Regardless of what bullshit happened 40 fucking years ago.

[gonzo]

4 hours ago, masi 51 said:

So we go from two top six positions to mid table mediocracy because we get rid of a manager who only plays one way and we keep the same squad.

We took the Wigan performance, Carlisle, Reading and Blackpool performances on the chin.....What players does Evatt recruit???

Another right wing back, Another Left wing back...All our players are under contract and Evatt wont/does not want to change

Any decent manager would get that group of players into the play-offs minimum

Have we kept the same squad?

Season finished 2 weeks ago. You have absolutely no idea what the recruitment is going to be like.

 

[masi 51]

22 hours ago, gonzo said:

Have we kept the same squad?

Season finished 2 weeks ago. You have absolutely no idea what the recruitment is going to be like.

 

90% of the squad is retained. We need to replace Maghoma and maybe add a forward. Guessing we will only add three and maybe a couple of loans. We wont be bringing in a natural left or right back thats for sure

 

[gonzo]

17 minutes ago, masi 51 said:

90% of the squad is retained. We need to replace Maghoma and maybe add a forward. Guessing we will only add three and maybe a couple of loans. We wont be bringing in a natural left or right back thats for sure

 

Those 3 and a couple of loans could make all the difference to a team that was a whisker away from promotion then?

We're you expecting less than 90% of the squad being retained?

[masi 51]

2 hours ago, gonzo said:

Those 3 and a couple of loans could make all the difference to a team that was a whisker away from promotion then?

We're you expecting less than 90% of the squad being retained?

No i expected just those two to be released no great shocks, but like Doyle in the past i think Evatt [we all now assume he is staying] will know if he is to keep his job past Oct/Nov will have to move a few players on.

I wont name players on here because it is all guess work, but i would not be surprised to see five or six move on even if we take a loss on some players

[Whitesince63]

I agree 51, given the obvious disappointment Evatt displayed at Wembley like you I’d expect more than a couple of the contracted players to be away, either sold or move facilitated. The bulk of the squad has proved its worth but some missing ingredients are obvious and I’m sure Evatt intends to recruit them. If not and that performance and others similar hasn’t forced him to realise that it takes more than just skill to get out of this league then he only has himself to blame if it goes toxic for him. I just hope in his time away he’s considered not just the players performances but also his own.

[FrancisFogarty]

Mostly I agree. What legged us up badly as we all know was that the injuries all came at the same time. The squad is strong enough but to have the centre line of keeper, captain various midfielders and striker out for a month really cost us.

Oh, and not having a plan B either.

[Steejay]

2 hours ago, FrancisFogarty said:

Mostly I agree. What legged us up badly as we all know was that the injuries all came at the same time. The squad is strong enough but to have the centre line of keeper, captain various midfielders and striker out for a month really cost us.

Oh, and not having a plan B either.

They were all fit for the final.

[FrancisFogarty]

14 minutes ago, Steejay said:

They were all fit for the final.

Fair enough. I was quoting for the thread FV not specifically the final.

I refer you to my last line then.

Oh, and not having a plan B either

 

[Whitesince63]

13 hours ago, FrancisFogarty said:

Fair enough. I was quoting for the thread FV not specifically the final.

I refer you to my last line then.

Oh, and not having a plan B either

 

To be fair it didn’t even look like we had a Plan A. 😁

[Marc505]

 

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You see I was right all the time. It only took one message from me and Sharon had to come out and explain things. It’s ok you don’t have to thank me. 😁

[Burndens Bogs]

On 03/06/2024 at 19:26, Steejay said:

They were all fit for the final.

Santos & Charles definitely weren’t fully fit for the final.

[Whitesince63]

Sharon for PM 👏👍

[thebells]

26 minutes ago, Whitesince63 said:

You see I was right all the time. It only took one message from me and Sharon had to come out and explain things. It’s ok you don’t have to thank me. 😁

I won’t thank you. If you read my posts I literally told you what was happening and when it would happen. 
 

it’s ok. You don’t have to thank me. 

[Burndens Bogs]

That Sharon Brittan interview is uplifting.

Top lady, we’re so lucky to have her.

[Traf]

2 minutes ago, Burndens Bogs said:

That Sharon Brittan interview is uplifting.

Top lady, we’re so lucky to have her.

She says it's Coleman's fault we didn't go up.

[Steejay]

Just now, Traf said:

She says it's Coleman's fault we didn't go up.

I know, he’ll be proper pissed off with that.

[Rizlar]

Excellent interview explained everything now we move on COYWN!

[Johnnyrotten]

6 minutes ago, Traf said:

She says it's Coleman's fault we didn't go up.

Strange that she said that.  I wonder which games we would have won with Baxter instead of Coleman given we needed an extra 6 points, so that's 3 games where we dropped points and Baxter would have saved goals that Coleman let in (assuming their weren't 2 games we lost that we would have won - I can't think of any).  And also ignores the points that Coleman potentially saved us with some decent saves.  A bit harsh given that we won so many games with Coleman in the nets, and lost plenty with Baxter.