wakey Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 1 hour ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Santos has missed 14. Won 8, drawn 2 and lost 2. I've read that right? Hmm. you've spotted the deliberate error. it's only maffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traf Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 17 minutes ago, radcliffe white said: Santos can be replaced Yengi still has him in his pocket from the game at fratton regards sheehan it’s Dempsey for me Sadly Dempsey (like Morley) hasn't done enough when called upon to warrant starting over Sheehan (or Paris & George). And if anything, Demps would be competing for George's shirt, not Sheehan's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radcliffe white Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 2 hours ago, Traf said: Sadly Dempsey (like Morley) hasn't done enough when called upon to warrant starting over Sheehan (or Paris & George). And if anything, Demps would be competing for George's shirt, not Sheehan's. Personally when he’s come on he’s brought some energy to the midfield, yes not a like for like but if Sheehan is injured that would be my choice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traf Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 1 minute ago, radcliffe white said: Personally when he’s come on he’s brought some energy to the midfield, yes not a like for like but if Sheehan is injured that would be my choice Oh, yeah, of those not currently in the team, Demps is first off the rank for me. I really like the player and was hoping he'd kick right on this season. It's a bit of a conundrum, because Paris is a bit of a fanny but is clearly technically gifted. Demps brings a bit more guile and bottle tot he game, but we'd lose some of the flair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted April 10 Site Supporter Share Posted April 10 2 hours ago, wakey said: you've spotted the deliberate error. it's only maffs. Not going mad then! As for the stats around Santos- I'm not in the critical camp, the get rid camp or whatever. He's a good player for us and I'd prefer him here. If he did go though, like most, it's thank-you and we move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traf Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 1 minute ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Not going mad then! As for the stats around Santos- I'm not in the critical camp, the get rid camp or whatever. He's a good player for us and I'd prefer him here. If he did go though, like most, it's thank-you and we move on. I'm not in either camp. He's an important player for us, but less important than Baxter, Sheehan & Charles from the spine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted April 10 Site Supporter Share Posted April 10 I'm intrigued as to how Sheehan would be in the championship. Hopefully we'll find out. I'm not convinced he will manage, but we'll see, should we get there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meanderson93 Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 13 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: I'm intrigued as to how Sheehan would be in the championship. Hopefully we'll find out. I'm not convinced he will manage, but we'll see, should we get there. Conversely, I think he's one of the only ones that would manage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traf Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 41 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: I'm intrigued as to how Sheehan would be in the championship. Hopefully we'll find out. I'm not convinced he will manage, but we'll see, should we get there. I think he'd be better. I know he's not actually in the Welsh team, but you're not getting called up regularly to the squad from L1 and even L2 if they don't think you're better than that. Wales are no mugs nowadays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted April 10 Site Supporter Share Posted April 10 No doubt about his talent. Just concerns me against the physical, top teams. They can close him out, and he can't match the physicality. Whether he/we can get better and they protect him more, who knows. I'm just not convinced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweep Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 57 minutes ago, Traf said: I think he'd be better. I know he's not actually in the Welsh team, but you're not getting called up regularly to the squad from L1 and even L2 if they don't think you're better than that. Wales are no mugs nowadays. @Big Elikes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Faustus Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 Cba multi quoting, apologies if done already; there is a chapter on this in the moneyball book- Mourinho said something along the lines of only the English celebrate a corner like a goal. Only 1/10 on average lead to a goal when launched in the box, as a coach of younger kids (especially when they haven’t been taught/allowed to head a ball) I always encourage short corners to either create an overload, or work a chance at the edge of a box to get a shot off. the hand signals will vary and try to confuse, could be fingers raised, ball bounced/moved to indicate where they intend to play- so what appear to be different gestures will be the same and vice versa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traf Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 Sheff Wednesday scored off 2 corners last night. just saying 😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rizlar Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 Corners are all about the delivery and then players attacking the ball unfortunately lots of corners don’t get passed the first defender! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 56 minutes ago, Dr Faustus said: Cba multi quoting, apologies if done already; there is a chapter on this in the moneyball book- Mourinho said something along the lines of only the English celebrate a corner like a goal. Only 1/10 on average lead to a goal when launched in the box, as a coach of younger kids (especially when they haven’t been taught/allowed to head a ball) I always encourage short corners to either create an overload, or work a chance at the edge of a box to get a shot off. the hand signals will vary and try to confuse, could be fingers raised, ball bounced/moved to indicate where they intend to play- so what appear to be different gestures will be the same and vice versa Garrp was always an advocate of corners meaning fuck all. He'd know more than most. Hence its a fucking travesty conceding at one like we did at Derby. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Lt. Aldo Raine Posted April 10 Members Share Posted April 10 Get it in the mixer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Feelgood Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 3 hours ago, Traf said: Wales are no mugs nowadays. Once they pull on that dragon shirt they're all wankers. All of 'em AND their fans ... wankers to a woman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnyrotten Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 8 hours ago, Traf said: Do those stats say anything either way? Only 5 league wins out of 10, and none were exactly stand out wins, all by 1 goal, some lucky and only 1 clean sheet (at Vale). 4 draws (3 at home including conceding 3 to Charlton) and our worst home result of the season (Carlisle). Cup games totally irrelevant given the opposition for every win were so weak. We are better with Santos in the team for me, not sure what the stats show though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter desperado Posted April 10 Site Supporter Share Posted April 10 13 minutes ago, Johnnyrotten said: Do those stats say anything either way? Only 5 league wins out of 10, and none were exactly stand out wins, all by 1 goal, some lucky and only 1 clean sheet (at Vale). 4 draws (3 at home including conceding 3 to Charlton) and our worst home result of the season (Carlisle). Cup games totally irrelevant given the opposition for every win were so weak. We are better with Santos in the team for me, not sure what the stats show though? Yeh, you are probably right. Conceded some goals without him there too, would rather have him in. I think the only thing we can take, is that it’s not crucial he’s there, we can win games without him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnyrotten Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 23 minutes ago, desperado said: Yeh, you are probably right. Conceded some goals without him there too, would rather have him in. I think the only thing we can take, is that it’s not crucial he’s there, we can win games without him. Definitely. The same is true of any player in this league. If we had a home game this week with no Baxter, Santos, Sheehan and Charles (the supposed irreplaceables), against anyone outside the top 4 or 5, I'd fully expect us to win, that's what this squad can do 4 times out of 5. We'd replace them with Coleman and probably Forrester, Dempsey and Collins or Bod. If it was Wigan, Blackpool or Derby away, whether they are playing or not, we have a problem scoring goals and those 4 don't necessarily make the difference. FWIW Baxter is the only one I'd be really concerned about if it was a play off match, the others, less so but Santos probably 2nd and Sheehan 3rd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted April 10 Moderators Share Posted April 10 3 hours ago, gonzo said: Garrp was always an advocate of corners meaning fuck all. He'd know more than most. Hence its a fucking travesty conceding at one like we did at Derby. I remember the discussion He was a fan of short corners His argument was no one hardly ever scores from a corner so they were pointless Turns out what he meant was from the first touch straight in Which didn't mean they were pointless, you could still put a ball in, cause chaos, score off a second touch etc Given most short corners still aim to end up in the box I found it a very strange argument/point of view Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leyther_Matt Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 13 minutes ago, Zico said: I remember the discussion He was a fan of short corners His argument was no one hardly ever scores from a corner so they were pointless Turns out what he meant was from the first touch straight in Which didn't mean they were pointless, you could still put a ball in, cause chaos, score off a second touch etc Given most short corners still aim to end up in the box I found it a very strange argument/point of view Spurs one the other day was from a corner but must have had half a dozen touches or more. Swansea’s manager put a good argument forward for it when he was at Notts County. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Faustus Posted April 10 Share Posted April 10 6 hours ago, Traf said: Sheff Wednesday scored off 2 corners last night. just saying 😉 And we have done before, but just thrown in aren’t likely to do anything other than cause a scramble. 2001 we beat Liverpool with a goal off a corner- but it was a ball played to Warhurst at the back post, who found Ricketts at the near post. That is a tactical set piece, likely to be based on opponents marking in previous games. Short corners work much in the same way as they either try to change the angle or create space/opportunity Still, as a man who knows his way around a bookies market, you’ll see the corner:goals ratio for yourself* *excluding Phil Morris:Weavers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 PSG struggled all game with corners last night. Barca scored the winner with one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo Posted April 11 Share Posted April 11 8 hours ago, Zico said: I remember the discussion He was a fan of short corners His argument was no one hardly ever scores from a corner so they were pointless Turns out what he meant was from the first touch straight in Which didn't mean they were pointless, you could still put a ball in, cause chaos, score off a second touch etc Given most short corners still aim to end up in the box I found it a very strange argument/point of view He loved a row with @HomerJay Plant pot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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