Meanwhile In England

[Farrelli]

6 minutes ago, gonzo said:

None of that has anything to do with what I've just said.

And I'd say it's every bit like the 1930s. I repressed society blaming every ill on particular demographic.

We are or have been one of the most tolerant countries in Europe. Our multicultural society is what has made us. However that society is changing rapidly. To dispel it as just Nigel Farage whipping things or blaming it on folk just being skint is hugely naive and is why we are where we are.

Check out the continent. Italy have a right wing government. France have Le Pen and Nation Rally, Wilders making headway in Holland.

You can't just ignore the issues. The politicians in this country need to grab this now and grab it hard.

Or we will end up even in a bigger pickle.

What do you want them to do? There is a distinct lack of tolerance and proportionality being displayed. The reasoned voices on all sides are being drowned out by misinformation.  

[royal white]

1 hour ago, London Wanderer said:

The biggest issue at play here, by far, is misinformation being spread on social media. 

We've seen it happening for years. It was a matter of time before it blew up. People like TR (who's an angel compared to most in the Twitter cesspit) spreading shite about our nation being invaded by military aged men, who are here to rape and pillage our communities.  When you believe shite like that, you think torching migrants out a hotel is a justified response. 

Is radical Islam an issue? Of course. Is the asylum out of control? Yes. Both need addressing. We need to see organisations like Hope Not Hate and the MSM doing more to call out and target hate coming from minorities in Muslim communities. 

But the issue has been blown well out of proportion by certain players, to the point when people feel they are on the verge of civil war. 

If you want less polarisation, don't bemoan the so called 'shutting down of debate'. Use this as opportunity to reach out to your local mosque, or torched out immigrant business. Send a box of treats to an asylum seeker hotel that was attacked. Regardless of whether you agree with them being there or not. 

It's the "bleeding hearts and love-ins" behaviour that brings communities together. 

 

Doesn’t help when you have MPs doing the same in the middle of riots. 

[Sweep]

3 hours ago, L/H White said:

where's tommeh?  he's called all this on and sat on a sun lounger somewhere, the big fucking shitbag 

Like Farage, this is exactly what he wanted to happen. He'll just sit back and admire his handy work now

[Farrelli]

6 minutes ago, royal white said:

Dont be so naive. 

Of course you would say that because you want to blame two tier policing or some other excuse for right wing thugs taking the law into their own hands.  

[Sweep]

2 hours ago, mickbrown said:

And if you don't think this is orchestrated (by who, fuck knows) I've got some magic beans to sell you

I don't doubt them pesky Russian bots are involved. Wasn't there some research done on "TezTruth" and "Channel 3 News" who where one of those first to start spreading lies about last weeks events in Southport on Twitter, and they where was to be an accounts via Pakistan and/or Russia? 

[Farrelli]

3 minutes ago, royal white said:

Doesn’t help when you have MPs doing the same in the middle of riots. 

That is lame even by your standards 

[gonzo]

7 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

What do you want them to do? There is a distinct lack of tolerance and proportionality being displayed. The reasoned voices on all sides are being drowned out by misinformation.  

Maybe address social and economic issues that have led us this point? 

Fuck knows, I'm not a politician and either are you.

There's a reason we have got to this God awful point and it's certainly not just because Tommy Robinson said a few things on twitter.

 

[royal white]

10 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

Of course you would say that because you want to blame two tier policing or some other excuse for right wing thugs taking the law into their own hands.  

No I’ve said that because the police have come out and said what was happening last night was just a scuffle like they see most weekends and there was no need for a large police presence. Just a scuffle 😂 nothing to do with them being stretched. Reporters tyres slashed, men running about with swords, roads blocked off, white people attacked. 
 

As I said. Naive 

Edited August 6, 2024 by royal white

[Sweep]

19 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Maybe address social and economic issues that have led us this point? 

Fuck knows, I'm not a politician and either are you.

There's a reason we have got to this God awful point and it's certainly not just because Tommy Robinson said a few things on twitter.

 

Its been building for years, we all know this, those in charge for the past 30/40 years all have a share of the blame. Some though seem to want to pin it on Starmer being PM, which seems a little odd.

As you rightly say though, everything has now been set back 25 years. 

It'll get a lot worse before it gets better I fear. People will lose their lives. 

As for the cesspool that is Twitter, the Government could do worse than take that down for a few weeks. I actually saw a post on there yesterday from somebody saying they wish that the Southport incident had happened two months ago, as that world have ensured Reform won and Farage would be PM, as he'd definitely have the situation sorted by now 😳

Edited August 6, 2024 by Sweep

[Farrelli]

7 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Maybe address social and economic issues that have led us this point? 

Fuck knows, I'm not a politician and either are you.

There's a reason we have got to this God awful point and it's certainly not just because Tommy Robinson said a few things on twitter.

 

But it has been fuelled by Farage blaming all social ills on immigrants and the Tories going on about illegal immigration and stopping the boats disproportionately to all the other issues we face as a country. It has played into the hands of extremists.

[Sweep]

6 minutes ago, royal white said:

No I’ve said that because the police have come out and said what was happening last night was just a scuffle like they see most weekends and there was no need for a large police presence. Just a scuffle 😂 nothing to do with them being stretched. Reporters tyres slashed, men running about with swords, roads blocked off, white people attacked. 

As this goes on, and it will, the police will become more and more stretched. Those poor fuckers really can't win in this situation. We may well have to end up with the military on the streets, although I don't know how many of them we have generally kicking around and doing fuck all at present,who could actually step in and assist

[royal white]

2 minutes ago, Sweep said:

As this goes on, and it will, the police will become more and more stretched. Those poor fuckers really can't win in this situation. We may well have to end up with the military on the streets, although I don't know how many of them we have generally kicking around and doing fuck all at present,who could actually step in and assist

Probably the majority 😂

[Guest]

31 minutes ago, gonzo said:

This is a great piece.

https://www.thetimes.com/article/32b0876e-9779-40c8-851f-6b2b6caa1460?shareToken=abb960ab4646230608069d9b46798f43

 

Summed up well.

It’s another piece that offers a lot of vague identifications of the problem but no solutions .

Bring people together and embrace where you live sounds nice but how do you bring together ‘we are getting pushed out of our own country’ with the fact that we will be importing people for decades to come or go down the far right state route?

It’s easy to say this stuff but I don’t see a bring people together option. I see an improve public services and make peoples lives slightly better over the next decade and hope it calms it down. I don’t think there is much talking to people who at their heart want to return to England how it was in the 1950’s I don’t think there is a nuanced discussion to resolve that. 

[Sweep]

4 minutes ago, royal white said:

Probably the majority 😂

Probably, but I mean what sort of number? 60K,75K or 100K - I have no idea how many we could deploy (if required, which hopefully it won't be) 

 

Talking of which, didn't some moonman on here once suggest that all military leave had been cancelled in preparation for us leaving the UK? (although I may have made that up in my own head) 

[royal white]

1 minute ago, Sweep said:

Probably, but I mean what sort of number? 60K,75K or 100K - I have no idea how many we could deploy (if required, which hopefully it won't be) 

 

Talking of which, didn't some moonman on here once suggest that all military leave had been cancelled in preparation for us leaving the UK? (although I may have made that up in my own head) 

There’s always a fair amount of squaddies left in country,(no idea of the numbers) and there’s always some on an immediate notice to move, whether that be for tasks here or abroad. No doubt the police are having a hard time at the minute  but I’m not having they’re as stretched as some people would make out. 
 

Yes, I’m pretty sure it was Adolf who was speaking his usual shite. 

[Farrelli]

31 minutes ago, royal white said:

No I’ve said that because the police have come out and said what was happening last night was just a scuffle like they see most weekends and there was no need for a large police presence. Just a scuffle 😂 nothing to do with them being stretched. Reporters tyres slashed, men running about with swords, roads blocked off, white people attacked. 
 

As I said. Naive 

Always someone else’s fault 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

I reckon the police are very stretched at the moment.

Can't recall a situation like this before; we've had riots but perhaps not on this level of distribution. 

Not just here neither, Ireland and Northern Ireland too.

If it continues, then you run into problems of sufficient numbers being available for these events, on top of normal duties.

Into emergency powers territory then, which definitely does require a recall of parliament. 

 

[royal white]

2 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

Always someone else’s fault 

Well yes according to labours Jess Phillips it’s was the far Rights fault that Muslims were running about with swords, beating up white folk and slashing tyres 🤷🏻

[Farrelli]

2 minutes ago, royal white said:

Well yes according to labours Jess Phillips it’s was the far Rights fault that Muslims were running about with swords, beating up white folk and slashing tyres 🤷🏻

Yes and that is correct. Their communities have come under attack from travelling far right mobs. 

[royal white]

4 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

Yes and that is correct. Their communities have come under attack from travelling far right mobs. 

Jesus 🤦🏻

[masi 51]

Protests and marches should be policed depending on intelligence to the threat posed.

In truth Starmer has no clue of this Judging my the Mets top Copper storming out of the recent Cobra meeting.

Peaceful demonstrations can be handled by the police as can  Demonstrations where a level of violence can be expected.

Now if we have Gangs of people Armed and running down the streets carrying Machetes, knifes and wearing balis that brings Policing to another level. Doubt armed police could deal with them without death taking place so then just like Northern Ireland we would have troops on the streets........Do we went to go there again???

Edited August 6, 2024 by masi 51

[Farrelli]

3 minutes ago, royal white said:

Jesus 🤦🏻

What would you do if a mob was coming to potentially burn down your business or attack your family?

[royal white]

1 minute ago, Farrelli said:

What would you do if a mob was coming to potentially burn down your business or attack your family?

I’d want the police to do their job. I 100% wouldn’t be leaving my house with weapons and start attacking people who are a different colour and news crews. 
 

The fact you’re supporting their actions is both baffling and worrying 

[Zico]

apparently coming to an immigration centre near you

tomorrow for me

 

[Farrelli]

7 minutes ago, royal white said:

I’d want the police to do their job. I 100% wouldn’t be leaving my house with weapons and start attacking people who are a different colour and news crews. 
 

The fact you’re supporting their actions is both baffling and worrying 

I’m not supporting anyone but you seem to only look at one side. The fact you want to excuse far right mobs speaks volumes.