Meanwhile In England

[London Wanderer]

1 hour ago, royal white said:

Doesn’t help when you have MPs doing the same in the middle of riots. 

You've said that a few times now. You're right, it doesn't. But it's another 'well whatabout this' deflection. 

You've got Reform MPs listing locations of migrant hotels and other's with a similar platform telling us we're being invaded and replaced. It's rhetoric like that which stirred up the hatred. It's 'both baffling and worrying' that you're supporting their views and are more concerned with what Labour have said 😉

[wanderer1984]

2 hours ago, mickbrown said:

Can't agree with that,

 

The likes of Tommeh and Farage et al, deep down are fucking loving it.

A told you so moment.

And just to think ... Everything was running (not perfectly) but smoothly before that BLM movement. Normal working class white folk branded racist imo started the division we see today.

It's got worse and worse since then.

Those that pushed the lie of ethic minorities in our country not being treated equally have pushed for this.

And if you don't agree with them you're a Gammon, a Nazi, a racist and now a Terrorist according to some.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[royal white]

4 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

You've said that a few times now. You're right, it doesn't. But it's another 'well whatabout this' deflection. 

You've got Reform MPs listing locations of migrant hotels and other's with a similar platform telling us we're being invaded and replaced. It's rhetoric like that which stirred up the hatred. It's 'both baffling and worrying' that you're supporting their views and are more concerned with what Labour have said 😉

I said MPs, I didn’t mention any party, you actually quoted me. Now that’s both baffling and worrying. 

Edited August 6, 2024 by royal white

[gonzo]

35 minutes ago, royal white said:

Well yes according to labours Jess Phillips it’s was the far Rights fault that Muslims were running about with swords, beating up white folk and slashing tyres 🤷🏻

Same Jess Phillips that was at the centre of intimidation and sectarian politics during her election campaign?

[royal white]

2 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Same Jess Phillips that was at the centre of intimidation and sectarian politics during her election campaign?

It does appear to be her, though at first I thought it was a parody account 

[bolton va va]

39 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

Yes and that is correct. Their communities have come under attack from travelling far right mobs. 

So you're happy for muslims to " run about with swords, beat up white folk & slash tyres " as long as they claim that they're under attack from a travelling far right mob.........even though that far right mob didn't actually exist.

[Guest]

23 minutes ago, wanderer1984 said:

A told you so moment.

And just to think ... Everything was running (not perfectly) but smoothly before that BLM movement. Normal working class white folk branded racist imo started the division we see today.

It's got worse and worse since then.

Those that pushed the lie of ethic minorities in our country not being treated equally have pushed for this.

And if you don't agree with them you're a Gammon, a Nazi, a racist and now a Terrorist according to some.

 

 

 

 

 

 

The idea that this goes back to the BLM movement is simply not going to stand up to scrutiny.

It’s way longer than that. And a load of very complex factors too. 
 

Social media is full of extremist far right great replacement theory stuff fuelling hatred. Thats not cos some people protested about a black kid getting killed in America. The fact is that people can’t rationalise this because there ultimately isn’t a rational. It’s far right agitators playing on peoples deprivation and their innate ability to blame that deprivation on easy (but wrong) targets. This isn’t new. 

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

I doubt there is a solution by this point

Violence between ethnic groups (not "communities") will continue to manifest itself sporadically and the authorities will have to become more streetwise about tackling it as and when it happens

We'll probably also see our domestic politics become less pluralistic and more sectarian, with differing groups voting for MPs to represent what they believe to be their own ethnic or religious interests first (we've seen it begin to happen with the election of independent MPs by primarily Muslim voters in response to the perceived failure of the mainstream parties over the actions of Israel in Gaza, and the election of Reform MPs by primarily white British voters, mainly as a result of the perceived failure of the Tory government to effectively tackle immigration/boat crossings)

In that respect, events in other parts of the world will increasingly begin to have more influence on voting patterns as well

We'll probably all need to get used to that

[Farrelli]

16 minutes ago, bolton va va said:

So you're happy for muslims to " run about with swords, beat up white folk & slash tyres " as long as they claim that they're under attack from a travelling far right mob.........even though that far right mob didn't actually exist.

I’m not happy about any of it. There have been multiple far right attacks throughout the country so if it didn’t exist in this case I’m not surprised the locals were responding as if it was going to materialise. 

[Mounts Kipper]

12 hours ago, TM Trotter said:

"Scum" based on what - expressing a political opinion, loitering in groups, wearing masks and criticising the media? Even a naughty word or two on camera, oh my!

At its most base, (and ignoring for one second the arson attacks, the looting, the kicking Asian women in the face), isn't that exactly what the beered-up gammons in Our Tommy's cult have been doing all weekend? 

So go on, why are the people in this particular video "scum"? Be honest. 

I think Royal has covered the bases but if you want me to comment on the rioters from the other side, then its a simple one word that covers them.. scum.  

[Farrelli]

37 minutes ago, wanderer1984 said:

A told you so moment.

And just to think ... Everything was running (not perfectly) but smoothly before that BLM movement. Normal working class white folk branded racist imo started the division we see today.

It's got worse and worse since then.

Those that pushed the lie of ethic minorities in our country not being treated equally have pushed for this.

And if you don't agree with them you're a Gammon, a Nazi, a racist and now a Terrorist according to some.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Reform have stirred this division up and will now be happy it has happened. You must be pleased.

[Whitesince63]

3 hours ago, Zico said:

These conversations and debates that need to be had

What do they look like? 

I'm all for it

But where do we go from here

Who is having the discussions from here on in

All you will get from politicians are one way statements

What is going to quash tension?

We're all white on here and we collectively can't agree on any of it

The Tories have set us back years 

Think that's the only thing we agree on 

The ones who might've disagreed have swapped sides or gone AWOL 

So how do we all come together and sort this mess out?

The Tory’s were shite on immigration I agree but it’s Blair fairly and squarely to blame for the high immigration we’re suffering plus the laws surrounding it which now prevent us from reducing it. First the EU numbers not curtailed then the ridiculous and illegal war in the Middle East which is the major cause of immigration were suffering across Europe now. You can’t just blame the Tory’s for everything because it fits your own political agenda since their hands were largely tied from the start.

[Guest]

1 minute ago, Whitesince63 said:

The Tory’s were shite on immigration I agree but it’s Blair fairly and squarely to blame for the high immigration we’re suffering plus the laws surrounding it which now prevent us from reducing it. First the EU numbers not curtailed then the ridiculous and illegal war in the Middle East which is the major cause of immigration were suffering across Europe now. You can’t just blame the Tory’s for everything because it fits your own political agenda since their hands were largely tied from the start.

The majority of immigrants into this country last year were from India and Nigeria.

And immigration is a global issue. Our need for workers to prop up an ageing economy. It’s not rocket science. Too many old people not enough skilled and non skilled working age people.

If we were in the EU we’d be hugely better off as we could carry on using the Eastern Europeans who didn’t want to stay here long term in some cases and meant that there was more flexibility in the system. 

 

[athywhite1958]

Army on the streets and Navy/Marines in the Channel, sorted

[bolton va va]

15 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

I’m not happy about any of it. There have been multiple far right attacks throughout the country so if it didn’t exist in this case I’m not surprised the locals were responding as if it was going to materialise. 

Whereabouts in Bolton was the muslim community attacked by a far right mob ?

It must have been a serious attack that provoked several hundred muslims to march into town to attack police & a peaceful meeting.

[Whitesince63]

1 hour ago, Farrelli said:

But it has been fuelled by Farage blaming all social ills on immigrants and the Tories going on about illegal immigration and stopping the boats disproportionately to all the other issues we face as a country. It has played into the hands of extremists.

10m increase in population since Blair and you think it’s all the fault of Farage and the Tory’s? You need to give your head a wobble. What’s happening now has been building for years while politicians from all sides, local and National, just wanted to hide the facts because it was too difficult to face up to but now they’re going to have to but I’m not sure those we currently have in charge are actually up to it?

[London Wanderer]

52 minutes ago, royal white said:

I said MPs, I didn’t mention any party, you actually quoted me. Now that’s both baffling and worrying. 

We know it’s Labour mate. No need to dodge things, let’s be honest 😁

We also know who started these riots & that Islam wasn’t at fault for Southport. What’s baffling and worrying is you telling other posters that they’re condoning Muslims carrying weapons for simply pointing out who started these riots. 👍
 

 

[London Wanderer]

4 minutes ago, athywhite1958 said:

Army on the streets and Navy/Marines in the Channel, sorted

 Might need to leave the ECHR first mate

 good idea though

[London Wanderer]

3 minutes ago, Whitesince63 said:

10m increase in population since Blair

Half the nation think that’s an issue

 The other half doesn’t

 Far right rhetoric and social media stirred up the hatred. Not Tony fckn Blair. 

[Cheese]

4 minutes ago, Whitesince63 said:

10m increase in population since Blair and you think it’s all the fault of Farage and the Tory’s? You need to give your head a wobble. What’s happening now has been building for years while politicians from all sides, local and National, just wanted to hide the facts because it was too difficult to face up to but now they’re going to have to but I’m not sure those we currently have in charge are actually up to it?

Nearly 2 decades have passed since Blair was PM. Starmer has been PM for a month. But yes, it's all their fault. 🤦‍♂️

[Farrelli]

1 minute ago, Cheese said:

Nearly 2 decades have passed since Blair was PM. Starmer has been PM for a month. But yes, it's all their fault. 🤦‍♂️

Always someone else’s fault. That is the mantra now

[Farrelli]

10 minutes ago, Whitesince63 said:

10m increase in population since Blair and you think it’s all the fault of Farage and the Tory’s? You need to give your head a wobble. What’s happening now has been building for years while politicians from all sides, local and National, just wanted to hide the facts because it was too difficult to face up to but now they’re going to have to but I’m not sure those we currently have in charge are actually up to it?

Bring back Truss😅

[Ani]

10 minutes ago, Whitesince63 said:

The Tory’s were shite on immigration I agree but it’s Blair fairly and squarely to blame for the high immigration we’re suffering plus the laws surrounding it which now prevent us from reducing it. First the EU numbers not curtailed then the ridiculous and illegal war in the Middle East which is the major cause of immigration were suffering across Europe now. You can’t just blame the Tory’s for everything because it fits your own political agenda since their hands were largely tied from the start.

They had 14 years to change things. Things have accelerated in the last 3-4 years as the Tories have been so ineffective. They let the numbers increase, suddenly in 2023 they accelerated, so the idea you can drop it on Labour is nonsense 

https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/the-uks-asylum-backlog/#

Lots of people on here asking for 'the solution' I bet if 10 people are asked what the problem is you would at least 5 different answers. 
 

Clearing the backlog of applications would be a start, but how will that tackle the idea there are too many here already ?

What do we do with people whose application  fails ? 
 

What do we do about the platforms that spread lies either by mistake or deliberately ? The cunt in Southport was named with a full history, none of which was true, how are the people who do this held accountable ?

The rioters are a symptom of the various problems we face but the immediate challenge is how we endure the thugs on either side are suitably punished. How do we do this if prisons are full ? 
 

 

[Whitesince63]

18 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said:

The majority of immigrants into this country last year were from India and Nigeria.

And immigration is a global issue. Our need for workers to prop up an ageing economy. It’s not rocket science. Too many old people not enough skilled and non skilled working age people.

If we were in the EU we’d be hugely better off as we could carry on using the Eastern Europeans who didn’t want to stay here long term in some cases and meant that there was more flexibility in the system. 

 

Nonsense, the majority of Eastern Europeans went home because their nations economy’s had improved more than ours. All European countries are now suffering from Middle Eastern, Asian and African immigration and people who share neither culture, laws, beliefs or religion. That is the problem not being out of the EU.

[Sweep]

7 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Nearly 2 decades have passed since Blair was PM. Starmer has been PM for a month. But yes, it's all their fault. 🤦‍♂️

Indeed, it's all very odd