Meanwhile In England

[royal white]

1 minute ago, Ani said:

Need to also ensure we train more of 'our own' so those skills develop within communities. And make sure that the ones we 'need' are really needed rather than just cheaper than paying people a decent wage to do the job. (That is a Reform policy) 

💯 

[gonzo]

Aye few years ago there was a real black hole when it came to car washers and barbers.  Thank God that void has been filled now.

[Ani]

3 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

You’re not quite getting the joke mate 😂

Accuse others of condoning violence with no basis, then have meltdown when it happens to you😂 it was a joke, relax 

 And Anderson posted the location of a suspected one. He regularly tweets about hotel locations 👍 and no, I’m not saying he condones violence 

Farage went on a tour of Asylum hotel/hostels and had a regular you tube broadcast on it a few years back 

[Spider]

6 hours ago, bwfcfan5 said:

People trying to burn folk alive in hotels don’t have ‘legitimate’ concerns.

This violence is fuelled by the far right. Muslims will react but absolutely should not and when they do should be dealt with the same and will be.

But you can’t justify imo people distributing maps of mosques online alongside flares and fireworks - that’s terrorism and Muslims are the target of it.

Whatever your apparent or perceived grievance is - does not in any way justify that. 

Where the fuck have I justified burning people alive?

Stop talking out of your fucking hoop.

Ive been clear, violence isn’t the answer and anyone carrying it out deserves full punishment, regardless of their position in all this.

I’m pointing out that even though I’m probably a bit of of a libtard generally, I can see with my own eyes that the “far right” (they aren’t in all cases) are being demonised for similar actions that the “left” aren’t.

Im observing, and can see what’s happening. At no point have I or will I ever justify harming innocent people.

Wind it in.

[Ani]

Another big challenge, I suspect especially for Labour, will be changing the culture and mind set amongst some of 'our own' that makes it easier to claim rather than work (Another Reform policy 😎) 

[Farrelli]

37 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Give over ffs.

Reform wouldn't exist if the problems weren't there in thr first place.

 

Give over man.  Reform are just the BNP with a more acceptable front man who happens to be a good orator.  

[Guest]

11 minutes ago, royal white said:

Their husbands / wives and kids will have to wait till everything is in place. Not to much to ask really is it.

I don’t really see why they should. If I as a professional go to work abroad I want to take my family. At least immediate family. Especially if it’s a long distance move.

I don’t really see why we’d expect a highly trained doctor to come here and leave their family behind. Especially when I don’t see good justification. They will contribute to the economy and pay their way.

[gonzo]

1 minute ago, Farrelli said:

Give over man.  Reform are just the BNP with a more acceptable front man who happens to be a good orator.  

Jesus Christ. 

You are part of the problem.

 

[royal white]

Musk does have a very valid point 

 

 

[Ani]

Some interesting stats here. 

[kent_white]

17 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Aye few years ago there was a real black hole when it came to car washers and barbers.

Sickening

[deeane Koontz]

 

[Farrelli]

7 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Jesus Christ. 

You are part of the problem.

 

Ok😅

[Ani]

5 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said:

I don’t really see why they should. If I as a professional go to work abroad I want to take my family. At least immediate family. Especially if it’s a long distance move.

I don’t really see why we’d expect a highly trained doctor to come here and leave their family behind. Especially when I don’t see good justification. They will contribute to the economy and pay their way.

Won't be popular but if you set an income level in there say for instance if the job pays £50k or more family can come.

The issue is people from this country not prepared to do the menial work and also the sneering attitude you see if someone is 'just' a cleaner or carer etc. 

[Guest]

6 minutes ago, Spider said:

Where the fuck have I justified burning people alive?

Stop talking out of your fucking hoop.

Ive been clear, violence isn’t the answer and anyone carrying it out deserves full punishment, regardless of their position in all this.

I’m pointing out that even though I’m probably a bit of of a libtard generally, I can see with my own eyes that the “far right” (they aren’t in all cases) are being demonised for similar actions that the “left” aren’t.

Im observing, and can see what’s happening. At no point have I or will I ever justify harming innocent people.

Wind it in.

 

It’s just the depiction of it as ‘one side against another’ that worries me. Cos I don’t think it is that at all. I wasn’t suggesting you were saying that is right but the ‘well it’s both sides’ takes are ok to the point of ‘anyone causing violence’ should be dealt with. But I don’t think this is two sides. Currently. I hope it doesn’t progress to it either. 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest]

Just now, Ani said:

Won't be popular but if you set an income level in there say for instance if the job pays £50k or more family can come.

The issue is people from this country not prepared to do the menial work and also the sneering attitude you see if someone is 'just' a cleaner or carer etc. 

There is already an income level isn’t there?

[only1swanny]

7 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said:

There is already an income level isn’t there?

There is now, I'm led to believe, there hasn't always been.

Fwiw my migrant relative was asked to come here, going back through the family tree, ancestors were also asked to come here. 

[Farrelli]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c10l5qd8p60o.amp
 

Bury your head in the sand if you want Gonzo but these are the people attracted to reform. It is rooted in BNP territory.

https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2024/feb/27/lee-anderson-says-public-supports-him-over-sadiq-khan-comments
 

then they acquired Lee Anderson who hardly disguises his Islamophobia. 

 

[Ani]

3 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said:

There is already an income level isn’t there?

There is a income level for a job and then a separate level if you are already here and want to bring your spouse.

So even if you are born and bred here you need to be earning a certain amount before you bring spouse. 
 

What I am saying, is if job is say £25k and con not be filled from Uk you can bring single worker in.

If job is say £50k , spouse and kids ok

 

it might be covered but have not seen it. 
 

There could be an argument that when a company does use foreign staff they have to make extra Employers NI contributions to stop the drive to just bring cheap labour in. 
 

I would also bring in express initial screening of asylum seekers so they are able to work till their application is processed. 

[mickbrown]

13 minutes ago, Ani said:

Won't be popular but if you set an income level in there say for instance if the job pays £50k or more family can come.

The issue is people from this country not prepared to do the menial work and also the sneering attitude you see if someone is 'just' a cleaner or carer etc. 

That’s us all wiping our own arses once dementia kicks in 

[tyldesley_white]

48 minutes ago, royal white said:

Who was the reform MP posting immigrant hotel addresses? 

30p Lee I believe, then had to walk it back 

[Blondi]

4 minutes ago, mickbrown said:

That’s us all wiping our own arses once dementia kicks in 

Don't forget it's your left hand.

[Ani]

6 minutes ago, mickbrown said:

That’s us all wiping our own arses once dementia kicks in 

 

6 minutes ago, mickbrown said:

That’s us all wiping our own arses once dementia kicks in 

Did not know how to get rid of the double quote. 
 

In my plan all the benefit claimers will discover a work ethic and will wipe your arse with quilted paper even when you do not need it 

[Guest]

7 minutes ago, Ani said:

There is a income level for a job and then a separate level if you are already here and want to bring your spouse.

So even if you are born and bred here you need to be earning a certain amount before you bring spouse. 
 

What I am saying, is if job is say £25k and con not be filled from Uk you can bring single worker in.

If job is say £50k , spouse and kids ok

 

it might be covered but have not seen it. 
 

There could be an argument that when a company does use foreign staff they have to make extra Employers NI contributions to stop the drive to just bring cheap labour in. 
 

I would also bring in express initial screening of asylum seekers so they are able to work till their application is processed. 

I think the amounts are maybe a bit out. 50K is probably too high more like 35K.

We need to process the asylum seekers in hotels and either send them back to country of origin or as you say get them working. I think as you suggest we could instigate a scheme whereby the work during the processing though I can see that being very costly to administer.

We have to be honest and say that the 60% that are projected to be genuine asylum cases are going to stay and be likely given accommodation and support. But I don’t know who wants to listen to that. 

[frank_spencer]

A good chunk of the dissatisfaction of the working classes stems from the death of British industry as companies are sold to the yanks/Indians/Chinese inorder to make a quick few quid for some faceless shareholders.

All our world leading companies and brands from the past are all owned by foreign mega companies who don't give a shit about staff, their families and the places they live just about the bottom line.

Especially outside the big cities chances of 'decent career' jobs are few and far between. If you've got the right skills you can move to London/Manchester/Birmingham etc and work in IT or finance but there's nowhere near the number of traditional working class jobs there used to be