Meanwhile In England

[Ani]

12 minutes ago, TM Trotter said:

I didn't use boomers as a pejorative fella - it's a genuine economic issue that's only just beginning to bite.

Hell of a lot of people needing pensions, far more than ever before due to the population spike, and without immigration, there's not the workforce to fund it. 

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From the point of the UK, immigration *was* being controlled rather well.

I went stats hunting, and found this: https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/statistics-relating-to-the-illegal-migration-bill

Within the most recent spreadsheet, there's a record of the numbers of migrants detected crossing the Channel on small boats. I've included a screen grab, which shows the point when the numbers of migrants really escalates. An average of about 300 people a quarter in 2018 and 2019 suddenly becomes a whopping 2,028 in Q2 2020.

Two things happened in the lead up to those stats: Covid lockdown and Brexit. We could perhaps attribute the former to some of this (reduced policing in France, for example), but take a look at how the numbers rise even more dramatically as Covid restrictions start to ease (mid to late 2021)... leaving our European neighbours to wave through thousands and thousands of people desperate for a better life. 

Under the EU, the British border was essentially on the beaches of Northern France. The safety net the UK had, the obligation for EU countries to not allow migrants to move on to other EU countries, has gone away, and boy, how the people-traffickers have taken advantage.

I'd love to see a Venn diagram of the most passionately vocal people in favour of "stopping the boats", overlaid with people who voted to Leave. The sad irony is, it wouldn't shock me if the diagram was a great big letter O. Britons were lied to.

If you wanted to get further in at the same time as the numbers increased the processing slowed down. So more coming in, less being processed and the hotels and hostels get full and people get frustrated. 
 

 

[Wanderlust]

 

Edited August 6, 2024 by Wanderlust

[BobyBrno]

6 minutes ago, Ani said:

Boomers do seem a bit sensitive, is that what happens when you hit 60?

Just banter. 

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

1 minute ago, Wanderlust said:

 

If there's something this situation doesn't need, it's James O'Brien wading it

[Farrelli]

17 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Bury my head? 

It's the millions of people that voted for them you are calling extreme right wingers not me.

You're talking absolute horse shit.

Reform are fuck all like the BNP, or Britain first. 

Talk about polarisation. Had you down as a bit better than that if I'm honest.

 

Well the feelings mutual pal but this is the thin end of the wedge in far right politics whether you want to admit it or not.  It is blatantly obvious that people like Lee Anderson are very happy spouting their poisonous shite in the Reform party. It is like a dog whistle for the extremists. 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

1 minute ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

If there's something this situation doesn't need, it's James O'Brien wading it

Aye.

Picking out a particular incident, either way, is little more than posturing. 

The situation that has been building needs properly addressing, with some tough decisions making.

[mickbrown]

1 hour ago, Blondi said:

Don't forget it's your left hand.

Don’t confuse me FFS

[mickbrown]

1 hour ago, Ani said:

 

Did not know how to get rid of the double quote. 
 

In my plan all the benefit claimers will discover a work ethic and will wipe your arse with quilted paper even when you do not need it 

A beautiful dream 

 

Although some of the specimens looting over the weekend look like they couldn’t wipe their own

[Wanderlust]

13 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

If there's something this situation doesn't need, it's James O'Brien wading it

Here you go - have a bit more common sense...

 

[royal white]

19 minutes ago, Ani said:

Might worth remembering that the money to protect mosques was a policy of the.....Tories, probably due to something Tony Blair said in 2010, Labour increased it by about 20%.

Maybe because of incidents like this

https://www.burnleyexpress.net/news/crime/burnley-community-rallies-together-after-muslim-graves-targeted-in-heinous-act-of-vandalism-4730426

Complete waste of money. Massive money pit for security bosses and no doubt the imam. 
 

This is just one contract that I know of 

Mosques & Community Centre

protection

6 sites Middlesbroug
2 Hartlepool

3 South Shields

13 Rotherham

12 Rochdale

8 across Manchester

2 Preston

£250 per person per shift

2 x Day Shift

2 x Night Shift per site

Reference for the gig is

That one contract for one company is circa 90k a day to have 2 lads sat in a car outside a mosque.

Surely 30 million would have been better spent on school security 

[London Wanderer]

30 minutes ago, Spider said:

These stats can't be true

Apparently it's all Starmer's fault this, but he wasn't PM in 2020.

Please can you adjust your working out so that we can blame the new PM? Otherwise, it just looks like the Tories were, in fact, total and utter fucking dogshit.

Fanks

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[Guest]

Farage trying to excuse himself for spreading misinformation by saying ‘we should have been told the truth’. Since when has a suspect for a major offence had full name and background revealed within hours?

And why did he also suggest beyond just circulating fake Russian news that there was some ulterior motive for the name not to be released?

Does he have any clue about our justice system? It’s not British values to prejudice trials. 

[Wanderlust]

1 minute ago, royal white said:

Complete waste of money. Massive money pit for security bosses and no doubt the imam. 
 

This is just one contract that I know of 

Mosques & Community Centre

protection

6 sites Middlesbroug
2 Hartlepool

3 South Shields

13 Rotherham

12 Rochdale

8 across Manchester

2 Preston

£250 per person per shift

2 x Day Shift

2 x Night Shift per site

Reference for the gig is

That one contract for one company is circa 90k a day to have 2 lads sat in a car outside a mosque.

Surely 30 million would have been better spent on school security 

It would have been better spent banging up the racists and those that stir up hate whilst revoking the press licences of publications that have been cashing in on spreading discontent and hatred for donkey's years.

Problem solved.

[London Wanderer]

1 hour ago, wakey said:

you should have seen Andrea Jenkins on Newsnight last night.

Fuck me what a whopper.

World class whataboutism.

we've got out very own on here too 

[Farrelli]

1 hour ago, wakey said:

you should have seen Andrea Jenkins on Newsnight last night.

Fuck me what a whopper.

World class whataboutism.

Aye she was shocking. 

[London Wanderer]

1 hour ago, royal white said:

We will not tolerate attacks on mosques and muslim communities. Thats fair enough. But what about attacks that had been happening that day on white men? White/christian communities? Why not mention of them? 

You've got to be on a wind up mate surely?

Have Muslim extremist groups been sending out lists of local churches and calling on them to be targeted this week? 

You realise that the action measures from their Cobra meeting will also apply to Muslims responding with violence? 

"We will have a standing army of public duty officers. We will ramp up criminal justice".

The courts have already shown that there isn't a two tier justice system. As someone proved with their post yesterday.

[royal white]

3 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

You've got to be on a wind up mate surely?

Have Muslim extremist groups been sending out lists of local churches and calling on them to be targeted this week? 

You realise that the action measures from their Cobra meeting will also apply to Muslims responding with violence? 

"We will have a standing army of public duty officers. We will ramp up criminal justice".

The courts have already shown that there isn't a two tier justice system. As someone proved with their post yesterday.

They’ve been attacking white people, white business, police officers etc. is that a free pass for them? 

[Farrelli]

21 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said:

Farage trying to excuse himself for spreading misinformation by saying ‘we should have been told the truth’. Since when has a suspect for a major offence had full name and background revealed within hours?

And why did he also suggest beyond just circulating fake Russian news that there was some ulterior motive for the name not to be released?

Does he have any clue about our justice system? It’s not British values to prejudice trials. 

I’ll tell you why, because he is an utter shithouse.

[Farrelli]

1 minute ago, royal white said:

They’ve been attacking white people, white business, police officers etc. is that a free pass for them? 

It is completely wrong and they should be dealt with as well. However without the far right riots none of that would have happened.  

[Nowack]

2 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

It is completely wrong and they should be dealt with as well. However without the far right riots none of that would have happened.  

Yes it would. It was only a matter of time before a "side" lost it, It just happened to be in Southport. As I mentioned before this is about deprivation, the rest is a sideshow.

[London Wanderer]

3 minutes ago, royal white said:

They’ve been attacking white people, white business, police officers etc. is that a free pass for them? 

Course it isn't 

Can we just stop accusing each other of condoning stuff? It's getting boring as fck mate 😂

This was started by rioters targeting mosques and hotels housing asylum seekers. Then they started smashing up businesses belonging to Muslims and immigrants. It's blatantly obvious who started this. A minority of Muslim lads were always going to go out and respond to the aggression. The government responded with emergency legislation that applies equally to anyone who is caught being violent or with a weapon.

He's right to call out the groups who started this conflict & express solidarity with the Muslim victims. The legislation is now in place for everyone. He doesn't need to start calling out white people and Muslim's separately and doing so doesn't mean he's 'not concerned for everyone'. 

 

[Casino]

3 hours ago, Whitesince63 said:

10m increase in population since Blair

Without that, youd not be getting your pension let alone a winter fuel bung to buy your vote

[frank_spencer]

4 hours ago, Whitesince63 said:

10m increase in population since Blair and you think it’s all the fault of Farage and the Tory’s? You need to give your head a wobble. What’s happening now has been building for years while politicians from all sides, local and National, just wanted to hide the facts because it was too difficult to face up to but now they’re going to have to but I’m not sure those we currently have in charge are actually up to it?

1.4bn increase in the global population since Blair too 

Is that his fault as well?

[Cheese]

Farage says he spread misinformation after the Southport murders because he was misled by an Andrew Tate tweet. What a joke.

 

[Casino]

1 hour ago, BobyBrno said:

Why use Boomers then? Gen X are just as much of a problem if that’s what you think. That probably includes you. I’m just guessing. 

Are any gen xers claiming state pension?