Meanwhile In England

[Cheese]

 

[Farrelli]

Just now, Ani said:

They had 14 years to change things. Things have accelerated in the last 3-4 years as the Tories have been so ineffective. They let the numbers increase, suddenly in 2023 they accelerated, so the idea you can drop it on Labour is nonsense 

https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/the-uks-asylum-backlog/#

Lots of people on here asking for 'the solution' I bet if 10 people are asked what the problem is you would at least 5 different answers. 
 

Clearing the backlog of applications would be a start, but how will that tackle the idea there are too many here already ?

What do we do with people whose application  fails ? 
 

What do we do about the platforms that spread lies either by mistake or deliberately ? The cunt in Southport was named with a full history, none of which was true, how are the people who do this held accountable ?

The rioters are a symptom of the various problems we face but the immediate challenge is how we endure the thugs on either side are suitably punished. How do we do this if prisons are full ? 
 

 

Good post.  What a mess Labour have been handed. So much to unravel and an increasingly divided country. 

[Ani]

Genuine question just to get people's understanding ; 

 

A refugee arrives here and applies for asylum after the full process is complete they are rejected. 
 

What happens to them ? No looking it up. Assume it is a not a country like Albania where we have a returns policy. 

[Whitesince63]

10 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

Half the nation think that’s an issue

 The other half doesn’t

 Far right rhetoric and social media stirred up the hatred. Not Tony fckn Blair. 

You’ve spoken to half the nation have you? Didn’t think so and if you believe, which I know you don’t, that half the population are welcoming all this immigration that is bankrupting the nation and leading to the current problems you need to get out more.

[Whitesince63]

15 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Nearly 2 decades have passed since Blair was PM. Starmer has been PM for a month. But yes, it's all their fault. 🤦‍♂️

As usual another completely pointless contribution.

[royal white]

27 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

We know it’s Labour mate. No need to dodge things, let’s be honest 😁

We also know who started these riots & that Islam wasn’t at fault for Southport. What’s baffling and worrying is you telling other posters that they’re condoning Muslims carrying weapons for simply pointing out who started these riots. 👍
 

 

What is really bizarre, even after all the posts I’ve made on here, is that you need to lie and say that I support Reform MPs posting lists of hotels where immigrants are staying. Why do you make things up and post shite? What’s the reasoning behind it?

 

Who was the reform MP posting the hotels? 

Edited August 6, 2024 by royal white

[gonzo]

50 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

Reform have stirred this division up and will now be happy it has happened. You must be pleased.

Give over ffs.

Reform wouldn't exist if the problems weren't there in thr first place.

 

[burnden]

16 minutes ago, Ani said:

Genuine question just to get people's understanding ; 

 

A refugee arrives here and applies for asylum after the full process is complete they are rejected. 
 

What happens to them ? No looking it up. Assume it is a not a country like Albania where we have a returns policy. 

Honestly no idea ........I would have said they get returned to whence they came but i guess that is wrong.?

[Cheese]

14 minutes ago, Whitesince63 said:

As usual another completely pointless contribution.

[BobyBrno]

27 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

Half the nation think that’s an issue

 The other half doesn’t

 Far right rhetoric and social media stirred up the hatred. Not Tony fckn Blair. 

Everyone thinks it’s an issue. It’s who’s to blame that’s the argument. You and others have blamed the Tories, I don’t disagree but it goes deeper than that with the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

87.5% of statistics are made up on the spot. 

[London Wanderer]

2 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

You and others have blamed the Tories

Eh?? 😂 Who’s making things up again? 
 

I’ve posted a link to opinion polls twice recently that show it’s a fairly divided issue. Not everyone agrees that it is too much. 

[gonzo]

 

 

 

[TM Trotter]

8 minutes ago, Whitesince63 said:

You’ve spoken to half the nation have you? Didn’t think so and if you believe, which I know you don’t, that half the population are welcoming all this immigration that is bankrupting the nation and leading to the current problems you need to get out more.

I back immigration, and anyone with a basic understanding of economics should.

Someone needs to work to fund the baby boomers' black hole pension pot, the NHS, social care, etc. And we've got a decreasing birth rate - even with stats including births of people who have immigrated here.

Someone needs to backfill the underpaid menial jobs that our capitalist society demands. British people don't want them, and Europeans can't get them because of Brexit. See: fruit picking, abattoir work, as an example.

Someone needs to backfill the skilled jobs that British people are leaving as countries like Australia, Canada, New Zealand and those in the EU will pay much more. See: doctors, engineers. 

Revisit the (government figures sourced) tweet Cheese posted. Processing asylum claims properly would enable those with genuine need to stay here, pay tax, and contribute to the economy. Letting them stay in limbo does nothing for the economy, and simply serves to drive a wedge in society. It's a political choice made by those in power the past 14 years.

Meanwhile you have groups blaming Starmer for the whole shitshow over the past week, while those same people say "this has been building for years". And they don't see the link.

[London Wanderer]

8 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Give over ffs.

Reform wouldn't exist if the problems weren't there in thr first place.

 

When you tell people we’re being replaced and invaded by military aged men, you’re part of the problem. As are those who’ve allowed immigration to spiral out of control from successive governments.

If you can’t see the role of Reform in this violence, alongside that of uncontrolled immigration, then you really are looking at this with a narrow mind.

[royal white]

For the next 2-3 years the only people allowed in should be people who can get straight into work and help with the rebuilding that’s needed. 

Concentrate on building houses, schools, hospitals, parks, prisons etc. 

Once all this is in place then slowly open our doors to others starting with their families. 
 

Royal for PM 

 

[royal white]

3 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

When you tell people we’re being replaced and invaded by military aged men, you’re part of the problem. As are those who’ve allowed immigration to spiral out of control from successive governments.

If you can’t see the role of Reform in this violence, alongside that of uncontrolled immigration, then you really are looking at this with a narrow mind.

Who was the reform MP posting immigrant hotel addresses? 

[London Wanderer]

24 minutes ago, royal white said:

 is that you need to lie and say that I support Reform MPs posting lists of hotels where immigrants are staying. Why do you make things up and post shite? What’s the reasoning behind it?

😂

It was a joke based on you accusing @Farrelli of condoning Muslims carrying weapons. Which you lied about, as he clearly doesn’t condone it.

Which is why I kept using your ‘baffling & worrying’  

There’s  my reasoning. Now wind your neck in 💙

[royal white]

1 minute ago, London Wanderer said:

😂

It was a joke based on you accusing @Farrelli of condoning Muslims carrying weapons. Which you lied about, as he clearly doesn’t condone it.

Which is why I kept using your ‘baffling & worrying’  

There’s  my reasoning. Now wind your neck in 💙

You wasn’t joining though was you, as you then went on to say I supported it. Proper strange one you. 

[London Wanderer]

35 minutes ago, Whitesince63 said:

You’ve spoken to half the nation have you? Didn’t think so and if you believe, which I know you don’t, that half the population are welcoming all this immigration that is bankrupting the nation and leading to the current problems you need to get out more.

Nope mate

 Ive sent the opinion polls twice on here now that show many people think immigration is okay.
 

Not everyone subscribes to your views on immigration 👍Some disagree that it’s bankrupting or our nation.

@TM Trotter sums it up better than I could. See his post

[Guest]

1 minute ago, royal white said:

For the next 2-3 years the only people allowed in should be people who can get straight into work and help with the rebuilding that’s needed. 

Concentrate on building houses, schools, hospitals, parks, prisons etc. 

Once all this is in place then slowly open our doors to others starting with their families. 
 

Royal for PM 

 

The main thing we need is social care, doctors, nurses, consultants, builders and tradespeople, transport staff, warehouse staff, cleaners…the list goes on.

And presumably those people will want to bring their families. Wives and kids. Or husbands and kids.

Almost all our forecast growth is contingent on net immigration.

It’s going to keep happening whatever for a while. This is a conversation that is needed but for a variety of reasons the last decade in particular we’ve not been able to have honest politicians having such discussions. 

 

 

 

 

[London Wanderer]

2 minutes ago, royal white said:

You wasn’t joining though was you, as you then went on to say I supported it. Proper strange one you. 

You’re not quite getting the joke mate 😂

Accuse others of condoning violence with no basis, then have meltdown when it happens to you😂 it was a joke, relax 

 And Anderson posted the location of a suspected one. He regularly tweets about hotel locations 👍 and no, I’m not saying he condones violence 

[BobyBrno]

12 minutes ago, TM Trotter said:

I back immigration, and anyone with a basic understanding of economics should.

Someone needs to work to fund the baby boomers' black hole pension pot, the NHS, social care, etc. And we've got a decreasing birth rate - even with stats including births of people who have immigrated here.

Someone needs to backfill the underpaid menial jobs that our capitalist society demands. British people don't want them, and Europeans can't get them because of Brexit. See: fruit picking, abattoir work, as an example.

Someone needs to backfill the skilled jobs that British people are leaving as countries like Australia, Canada, New Zealand and those in the EU will pay much more. See: doctors, engineers. 

Revisit the (government figures sourced) tweet Cheese posted. Processing asylum claims properly would enable those with genuine need to stay here, pay tax, and contribute to the economy. Letting them stay in limbo does nothing for the economy, and simply serves to drive a wedge in society. It's a political choice made by those in power the past 14 years.

Meanwhile you have groups blaming Starmer for the whole shitshow over the past week, while those same people say "this has been building for years". And they don't see the link.

Agree on the whole. Nice to see us ‘Boomers’ get a mention, again. 
On your first paragraph. Has anyone on here said that they are against immigration? My understanding is that it’s the uncontrolled immigration that concerns most people. 

[royal white]

4 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said:

The main thing we need is social care, doctors, nurses, consultants, builders and tradespeople, transport staff, warehouse staff, cleaners…the list goes on.

And presumably those people will want to bring their families. Wives and kids. Or husbands and kids.

Almost all our forecast growth is contingent on net immigration.

It’s going to keep happening whatever for a while. This is a conversation that is needed but for a variety of reasons the last decade in particular we’ve not been able to have honest politicians having such discussions. 

 

 

 

 

Their husbands / wives and kids will have to wait till everything is in place. Not to much to ask really is it.

Edited August 6, 2024 by royal white

[royal white]

1 minute ago, London Wanderer said:

You’re not quite getting the joke mate 😂

Accuse others of condoning violence with no basis, then have meltdown when it happens to you😂 it was a joke, relax 

 And Anderson posted the location of a suspected one. He regularly tweets about hotel locations 👍 and no, I’m not saying he condones violence 

Keep digging 😂👍

[Ani]

6 minutes ago, royal white said:

For the next 2-3 years the only people allowed in should be people who can get straight into work and help with the rebuilding that’s needed. 

Concentrate on building houses, schools, hospitals, parks, prisons etc. 

Once all this is in place then slowly open our doors to others starting with their families. 
 

Royal for PM 

 

Need to also ensure we train more of 'our own' so those skills develop within communities. And make sure that the ones we 'need' are really needed rather than just cheaper than paying people a decent wage to do the job. (That is a Reform policy)