Meanwhile In England

[Cheese]

7 minutes ago, tyldesley_white said:

30p Lee I believe, then had to walk it back 

The people arriving at the hotel turned out to be 2 buses full of NHS workers and their families having a holiday, but because they weren't white he immediately concluded they were illegal immigrants. He apologised when he learned the facts, but it says a lot about the racist cunt.

Edited August 6, 2024 by Cheese

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, frank_spencer said:

A good chunk of the dissatisfaction of the working classes stems from the death of British industry as companies are sold to the yanks/Indians/Chinese inorder to make a quick few quid for some faceless shareholders.

All our world leading companies and brands from the past are all owned by foreign mega companies who don't give a shit about staff, their families and the places they live just about the bottom line.

Especially outside the big cities chances of 'decent career' jobs are few and far between. If you've got the right skills you can move to London/Manchester/Birmingham etc and work in IT or finance but there's nowhere near the number of traditional working class jobs there used to be

Yeah the death of British industry. You can trace this back to the 70’s. The  Thatcher closing down the main economic lifeline for many communities. Then communities gradually becoming more and more deprived.

And as you say many people move away. They get qualifications and jobs. And the people left are next door to folk from all over the place they don’t know anymore.

And if you are a 23 year old bloke in those areas your job options are care work, warehousing or spending time to learn a trade. It’s not very enticing in the way that a job at 16 you automatically walked into cos your dad already worked there and you earned your own money and could move out within a year or two. This change is the most significant. It also is the geography of it. Job would be close to your doorstep now. Young people now in Bolton the job might be south Manchester or worse. 

[Wanderlust]

500 prison cells to be made available by next week

Top prosecutor considering whether the attacks on communities are terrorist attacks - which opens up a whole new ballgame

First people being arrested for incitement online

Labour are definitely the party of law and order.

 

[Cheese]

1 minute ago, Wanderlust said:

500 prison cells to be made available by next week

Top prosecutor considering whether the attacks on communities are terrorist attacks - which opens up a whole new ballgame

First people being arrested for incitement online

Labour are definitely the party of law and order.

I hope all 500 cells are fully occupied for the next 5 years.

[London Wanderer]

55 minutes ago, Spider said:

Where the fuck have I justified burning people alive?

Stop talking out of your fucking hoop.

Ive been clear, violence isn’t the answer and anyone carrying it out deserves full punishment, regardless of their position in all this.

I’m pointing out that even though I’m probably a bit of of a libtard generally, I can see with my own eyes that the “far right” (they aren’t in all cases) are being demonised for similar actions that the “left” aren’t.

Im observing, and can see what’s happening. At no point have I or will I ever justify harming innocent people.

Wind it in.

Have ‘the left’ been trying to set fire to people? Must have missed that. 
 

Edit, you’re right that folk shouldn’t be accused of condoning violence for asking questions. Seems to have become a common theme on this thread now . 

Edited August 6, 2024 by London Wanderer

[Farrelli]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cw5yyynpwnzt?post=asset%3Ac9a12e68-842f-4087-a31f-c1bac66d6982#post
 

What is needed is more people like this who truly value their communities and everyone there

[Guest]

8 minutes ago, Wanderlust said:

500 prison cells to be made available by next week

Top prosecutor considering whether the attacks on communities are terrorist attacks - which opens up a whole new ballgame

First people being arrested for incitement online

Labour are definitely the party of law and order.

 

This is all good stuff. Those decrying it are the ones who wanked themselves into a coma for Thatcher taking on British workers.

 

[London Wanderer]

10 minutes ago, Wanderlust said:

500 prison cells to be made available by next week

Top prosecutor considering whether the attacks on communities are terrorist attacks - which opens up a whole new ballgame

First people being arrested for incitement online

Labour are definitely the party of law and order.

 

But but

Whatabout the Palestine demos ❗️

[London Wanderer]

49 minutes ago, royal white said:

Musk does have a very valid point 

 

 

Does he fck 

Anything but look at his own platform 

There’s an argument to say we’d not be in this mess if someone on his platform hadn’t used a made up Muslim name. 

 can you give example of where Starmer hasn’t ‘shown concern’ about attacks on other communities? 

[London Wanderer]

1 hour ago, royal white said:

Keep digging 😂👍

It’s all there mate. On the surface. No tools needed 👍

We’re being replaced innit. By military aged men. It’s those asylum seekers in the hotels, they’re out to get you 😳

[royal white]

10 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

Does he fck 

Anything but look at his own platform 

There’s an argument to say we’d not be in this mess if someone on his platform hadn’t used a made up Muslim name. 

 can you give example of where Starmer hasn’t ‘shown concern’ about attacks on other communities? 

We will not tolerate attacks on mosques and muslim communities. Thats fair enough. But what about attacks that had been happening that day on white men? White/christian communities? Why not mention of them? 

[wakey]

3 hours ago, London Wanderer said:

But it's another 'well whatabout this' deflection. 

 

you should have seen Andrea Jenkins on Newsnight last night.

Fuck me what a whopper.

World class whataboutism.

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, royal white said:

We will not tolerate attacks on mosques and muslim communities. Thats fair enough. But what about attacks that had been happening that day on white men? White/christian communities? Why not mention of them? 

Where maps of Christian churches and fireworks being distributed by extremist groups online?

[RONNIE PHILLIPS]

7 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said:

Where maps of Christian churches and fireworks being distributed by extremist groups online?

Don't need maps when there's so many taxi drivers amongst you 🤣

[little whitt]

40 minutes ago, Wanderlust said:

500 prison cells to be made available by next week

Top prosecutor considering whether the attacks on communities are terrorist attacks - which opens up a whole new ballgame

First people being arrested for incitement online

Labour are definitely the party of law and order.

 

Dout they will go down the Terrorist rout 

that will be a Cat A 

stright to Bellmarsh 

[royal white]

8 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said:

Where maps of Christian churches and fireworks being distributed by extremist groups online?

They were being fired by them. I guess they had a stock pile 

 

Hamza Mohammed, of Whitegate Drive, was charged with possession of multi-shot fireworks, firework mortars, and rockets on Victoria Square during the demonstration.

[gonzo]

1 hour ago, Farrelli said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c10l5qd8p60o.amp
 

Bury your head in the sand if you want Gonzo but these are the people attracted to reform. It is rooted in BNP territory.

https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2024/feb/27/lee-anderson-says-public-supports-him-over-sadiq-khan-comments
 

then they acquired Lee Anderson who hardly disguises his Islamophobia. 

 

Bury my head? 

It's the millions of people that voted for them you are calling extreme right wingers not me.

You're talking absolute horse shit.

Reform are fuck all like the BNP, or Britain first. 

Talk about polarisation. Had you down as a bit better than that if I'm honest.

 

[Ani]

48 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said:

I think the amounts are maybe a bit out. 50K is probably too high more like 35K.

We need to process the asylum seekers in hotels and either send them back to country of origin or as you say get them working. I think as you suggest we could instigate a scheme whereby the work during the processing though I can see that being very costly to administer.

We have to be honest and say that the 60% that are projected to be genuine asylum cases are going to stay and be likely given accommodation and support. But I don’t know who wants to listen to that. 

£35k  ? Not sure we need to bring in middle managers😂😎

 

Seriously we need people for the low paid care home type jobs and higher end professionals and skilled workforce. 
 

We have to make tough calls and I think every business I ever worked in had too many middle managers. Let's not ship more in 

[TM Trotter]

1 hour ago, BobyBrno said:

Agree on the whole. Nice to see us ‘Boomers’ get a mention, again. 
On your first paragraph. Has anyone on here said that they are against immigration? My understanding is that it’s the uncontrolled immigration that concerns most people. 

I didn't use boomers as a pejorative fella - it's a genuine economic issue that's only just beginning to bite.

Hell of a lot of people needing pensions, far more than ever before due to the population spike, and without immigration, there's not the workforce to fund it. 

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From the point of the UK, immigration *was* being controlled rather well.

I went stats hunting, and found this: https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/statistics-relating-to-the-illegal-migration-bill

Within the most recent spreadsheet, there's a record of the numbers of migrants detected crossing the Channel on small boats. I've included a screen grab, which shows the point when the numbers of migrants really escalates. An average of about 300 people a quarter in 2018 and 2019 suddenly becomes a whopping 2,028 in Q2 2020.

Two things happened in the lead up to those stats: Covid lockdown and Brexit. We could perhaps attribute the former to some of this (reduced policing in France, for example), but take a look at how the numbers rise even more dramatically as Covid restrictions start to ease (mid to late 2021)... leaving our European neighbours to wave through thousands and thousands of people desperate for a better life. 

Under the EU, the British border was essentially on the beaches of Northern France. The safety net the UK had, the obligation for EU countries to not allow migrants to move on to other EU countries, has gone away, and boy, how the people-traffickers have taken advantage.

I'd love to see a Venn diagram of the most passionately vocal people in favour of "stopping the boats", overlaid with people who voted to Leave. The sad irony is, it wouldn't shock me if the diagram was a great big letter O. Britons were lied to.

[BobyBrno]

4 minutes ago, TM Trotter said:

I didn't use boomers as a pejorative fella - it's a genuine economic issue that's only just beginning to bite.

Hell of a lot of people needing pensions, far more than ever before due to the population spike, and without immigration, there's not the workforce to fund it. 

-------

From the point of the UK, immigration *was* being controlled rather well.

I went stats hunting, and found this: https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/statistics-relating-to-the-illegal-migration-bill

Within the most recent spreadsheet, there's a record of the numbers of migrants detected crossing the Channel on small boats. I've included a screen grab, which shows the point when the numbers of migrants really escalates. An average of about 300 people a quarter in 2018 and 2019 suddenly becomes a whopping 2,028 in Q2 2020.

Two things happened in the lead up to those stats: Covid lockdown and Brexit. We could perhaps attribute the former to some of this (reduced policing in France, for example), but take a look at how the numbers rise even more dramatically as Covid restrictions start to ease (mid to late 2021)... leaving our European neighbours to wave through thousands and thousands of people desperate for a better life. 

Under the EU, the British border was essentially on the beaches of Northern France. The safety net the UK had, the obligation for EU countries to not allow migrants to move on to other EU countries, has gone away, and boy, how the people-traffickers have taken advantage.

I'd love to see a Venn diagram of the most passionately vocal people in favour of "stopping the boats", overlaid with people who voted to Leave. The sad irony is, it wouldn't shock me if the diagram was a great big letter O. Britons were lied to.

Why use Boomers then? Gen X are just as much of a problem if that’s what you think. That probably includes you. I’m just guessing. 

[Ani]

Might worth remembering that the money to protect mosques was a policy of the.....Tories, probably due to something Tony Blair said in 2010, Labour increased it by about 20%.

Maybe because of incidents like this

https://www.burnleyexpress.net/news/crime/burnley-community-rallies-together-after-muslim-graves-targeted-in-heinous-act-of-vandalism-4730426

[Nowack]

It seems to be a very narrow demographic from what I have seen from watching this on the TV. Certainly didn't spot Dr. Shah or Dr. Smith chucking any bins at windows. They, as an economic group, have clearly been targeted and agitated and if the people doing so wish, they could defuse the situation for a time.

But most importantly, the economic situation for these people brought on by the  cost of living crisis, if you want to call it that, needs to be addressed urgently. 

[Spider]

9 minutes ago, TM Trotter said:

I didn't use boomers as a pejorative fella - it's a genuine economic issue that's only just beginning to bite.

Hell of a lot of people needing pensions, far more than ever before due to the population spike, and without immigration, there's not the workforce to fund it. 

-------

From the point of the UK, immigration *was* being controlled rather well.

I went stats hunting, and found this: https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/statistics-relating-to-the-illegal-migration-bill

Within the most recent spreadsheet, there's a record of the numbers of migrants detected crossing the Channel on small boats. I've included a screen grab, which shows the point when the numbers of migrants really escalates. An average of about 300 people a quarter in 2018 and 2019 suddenly becomes a whopping 2,028 in Q2 2020.

Two things happened in the lead up to those stats: Covid lockdown and Brexit. We could perhaps attribute the former to some of this (reduced policing in France, for example), but take a look at how the numbers rise even more dramatically as Covid restrictions start to ease (mid to late 2021)... leaving our European neighbours to wave through thousands and thousands of people desperate for a better life. 

Under the EU, the British border was essentially on the beaches of Northern France. The safety net the UK had, the obligation for EU countries to not allow migrants to move on to other EU countries, has gone away, and boy, how the people-traffickers have taken advantage.

I'd love to see a Venn diagram of the most passionately vocal people in favour of "stopping the boats", overlaid with people who voted to Leave. The sad irony is, it wouldn't shock me if the diagram was a great big letter O. Britons were lied to.

These stats can't be true

Apparently it's all Starmer's fault this, but he wasn't PM in 2020.

Please can you adjust your working out so that we can blame the new PM? Otherwise, it just looks like the Tories were, in fact, total and utter fucking dogshit.

Fanks

[Ani]

4 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

Why use Boomers then? Gen X are just as much of a problem if that’s what you think. That probably includes you. I’m just guessing. 

Boomers do seem a bit sensitive, is that what happens when you hit 60?

[Dimron]

14 minutes ago, little whitt said:

Dout they will go down the Terrorist rout 

that will be a Cat A 

stright to Bellmarsh 

I've worked in Cat A prisons and they don't appear (in my eyes) to be rammed full... perhaps because of the dodgy types in there... I've been thinking about putting the scumbags in there, plenty of room and sex offenders and terrorists to have a go at if they're properly hard enough