wanderer1984 Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Cheese said: So you didn't know about these gangs until "Tommy" brought it to your attention because you're ignorant. Maybe start reading the news instead of relying on grifters to draw things to your attention when it suits their own interests? It wasn't on the news when brought to my attention. Stop assuming things. Bellend. Edited January 15 by wanderer1984 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Cheese Posted January 15 Site Supporter Share Posted January 15 1 minute ago, wanderer1984 said: It wasn't on the news when brought to my attention. Stop assuming thing. It was. You just didn't pay attention until "Tommy" whipped you into a frenzy. How many white paedophiles has he brought to your attention? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wanderer1984 Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 1 minute ago, Cheese said: It was. You just didn't pay attention until "Tommy" whipped you into a frenzy. How many white paedophiles has he brought to your attention? Prove it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Cheese Posted January 15 Site Supporter Share Posted January 15 Just now, wanderer1984 said: Prove it. Google is your friend, apparently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wanderer1984 Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 (edited) Embarrassing that the thought of TR brings up this many notifications when all the questions should be asked about how this was allowed to happen. No wonder there was a cover up. Edited January 15 by wanderer1984 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Cheese Posted January 15 Site Supporter Share Posted January 15 (edited) 4 minutes ago, wanderer1984 said: Embarrassing that the thought of TR brings up this many notifications when all the questions should be asked about how this was allowed to happen. You brought him up. 🤷♂️ And you still haven't explained what he actually did. Edited January 15 by Cheese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bolty58 Posted January 16 Members Share Posted January 16 Astounding that the police and other authorities were so frightened of the 'racist' label (which cunts like Cheese spout every five minutes to try to close down debate) that it was seen as a lesser issue to turn a blind eye and let them bang away. Not astounding that the usual suspects on here immediately mount a rear guard action to defend or deflect by way of highlighting what 'whiteys' have done. Some of this lot on here must have some sort of mega guilt complexes about racist behaviour they have engaged in in the past and are now trying to over compensate? How else can it be explained? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ani Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 Firstly the grooming gangs in Rochdale etc were not Asian they were Pakistani. (Mainly) there is no evidence of such abuse from the Indian community. The abuse is not isolated to one town which strongly implies that this is a cultural thing that happens on a regular basis from a very specific demographic. Having worked in Bradford where this demographic is very prominent it is very reflective of an attitude within Packistani males that white girls are just something to practice on. Whilst the vast majority do not go to the extreme that a small but significant minority do, this attitude is there in plain sight. The idea that Tommy discovered this is simply not true. It was already known about and reported before he got involved. But he certainly raised the profile of it to some. In Rotherham it has been acknowledged that sensitivity over race hampered the enquiry, to deny that is hiding from a really important issue. To be clear Tommy is no hero in this area. His self promotion and to be centre of attention nearly led to the collapse of one trial and gave the defence something to use to try and get these bastards off or at least lesser sentences, this was despite Tommy being warned by the judge. If he is going to shine a light on abuse when it is brown on white, ignoring white on white makes him as bad as those who ignore it the other way round. Casino is right to point out that despite these high profile cases most abuse is carried out by white males. But what is unusual in these cases is that one demographic (Packistani males) have targeted another demographic (white girls). Whereas most abuse is for want of a better expression 'like on like'. This can be debated as long as you want but if on the one hand (or 'side') people ignore what is there in plain sight and on the other side make no comment when the ethnicity of the abusers does not fit their wider agenda no one is solving shit. The good news is that behind the headlines and included (albeit through slightly rose tinted glasses) in the report there is a lot of work going in across authorities and communities that starts with the victims to get the fuller picture. Of how and when grooming gangs of whatever background target and exploit young kids. If you look at the reporting of this even now it is all about the abusers with little or no regard for the victims, that needs to change as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo Posted January 16 Author Share Posted January 16 Untill you change the mentality and culture amongst Pakistani Muslims the jobs fucked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royal white Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 12 hours ago, Casino said: Proves nothing but im chucking it in until somebody can offer owt better This is different from racist grooming gangs is it not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo Posted January 16 Author Share Posted January 16 8 minutes ago, royal white said: This is different from racist grooming gangs is it not? The art of deflection. Remember that fan5 saying it wasnt a cultural problem and what about The BBC and Catholic Church. Yeah but yeah but yeah but. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royal white Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 1 minute ago, gonzo said: The art of deflection. Remember that fan5 saying it wasnt a cultural problem and what about The BBC and Catholic Church. Yeah but yeah but yeah but. Exactly, folk are comparing different crimes and saying “but look at this” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ani Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 12 minutes ago, royal white said: Exactly, folk are comparing different crimes and saying “but look at this” Tbf if the crime is grooming then it is the same crime. I think the issue with the data Casino refers to is that it relates to people prosecuted, so if people believe certain groups are 'let off' or ignored then they do not get prosecuted so not included in the data. I 100% agree there is a specific issue with Pakistani males although important to remember the ones doing this are a small % of all Pakistani males. It is dead easy to label groomers as 'them' - when 'them' is anyone who is not like 'us' , so Pakistani males , scout masters, catholic priests, football coaches etc etc. The facts are most abusers probably in their day to day lives are more like us than it is comfortable to admit. I think Gonzo hit the nail on the head when pointing out one of the scariest things in the report is the high number of individuals who are walking the streets who are known and remaining threats to abuse again and again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmjhb Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 (edited) Why's TR getting the credit for exposure when Maggie Oliver and others did all the work? Seems to me it's more pathetic pointscoring on the Internet. Once again. Edited January 16 by jmjhb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duck Egg Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 Some excellent points there Ani. I would add that there's been a cultural shift in the UK too. Up until a few years ago the mindset was that these girls were making their own choices, which they often were, but ignored the fact they were still children and were being groomed and exploited. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted January 16 Moderators Share Posted January 16 35 minutes ago, Ani said: I think the issue with the data Casino refers to is that it relates to people prosecuted, so if people believe certain groups are 'let off' or ignored then they do not get prosecuted so not included in the data. exactly, a point i did acknowledge when i said it proves nowt i was merely trrying to get in before all the third world, stone age shit got trotted out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nowack Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 Everyone seems to be obsessed with finding a pattern of perpetrator when the only clear pattern I can see are vulnerable young females who have been let down by the people who are meant to protect them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo Posted January 16 Author Share Posted January 16 59 minutes ago, Nowack said: Everyone seems to be obsessed with finding a pattern of perpetrator when the only clear pattern I can see are vulnerable young females who have been let down by the people who are meant to protect them. By the time social services are involved the issue is way, way down the line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted January 16 Moderators Share Posted January 16 55 minutes ago, gonzo said: By the time social services are involved the issue is way, way down the line. not if theyre in care to start with Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted January 16 Moderators Share Posted January 16 14 hours ago, wanderer1984 said: Explain why he deflects from it? From my point of view he exposed me and others to this. It wasn't on the news. Massive cover up. Shame kids then and years further forward have suffered because of it. I'm not sure he can claim to expose gangs when he's stood outside court at their trial he was dead keen to expose the gangs in Barrow that time, but turns out it was all a pack of lies I think I'd heard of the Rotherham scandal before I'd ever heard of Tommy Robinson he's just a bandwagon jumper, making it about him until he invariably gets arrested or shown up as talking bollocks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo Posted January 16 Author Share Posted January 16 38 minutes ago, Casino said: not if theyre in care to start with Mate, come on. You're well into blaming the parents and victims territory here. Plays firmly in to the hands of the cunts doing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted January 16 Moderators Share Posted January 16 i'm not blamimg the victims but these kids are vulnerable and theyre vulnerable because somebody has made them that way maybe its society, maybe its parents, maybe its social workers, but it isnt preadtor (pakistani) blokes fully agree they wouldnt be vulnerable of there werent people looking to prey on them but the system has created vulnerable kids look at who the victims (generally) are theyre not (generally) kids with the family support mine and yours got/get Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted January 16 Moderators Share Posted January 16 1 hour ago, gonzo said: Mate, come on. You're well into blaming the parents and victims territory here. Plays firmly in to the hands of the cunts doing it. there's two sides to it for me obviously the peadoes depressingly they aren't going to stop the other is those who's job is it to stop them need to up their game and stop ignoring what's going on a change in attitudes, procedures and probably more funding required and that's it for me, if it starts in the first place, they musn't be allowed to get away with it once it's on the radar my issues with such conversations is when the problems focus on the wider "community", as though they're in on it, same with terrorism and that, with folk like TR firmly taking a leading role Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted January 16 Site Supporter Share Posted January 16 4 hours ago, Ani said: Tbf if the crime is grooming then it is the same crime. I think the issue with the data Casino refers to is that it relates to people prosecuted, so if people believe certain groups are 'let off' or ignored then they do not get prosecuted so not included in the data. I 100% agree there is a specific issue with Pakistani males although important to remember the ones doing this are a small % of all Pakistani males. It is dead easy to label groomers as 'them' - when 'them' is anyone who is not like 'us' , so Pakistani males , scout masters, catholic priests, football coaches etc etc. The facts are most abusers probably in their day to day lives are more like us than it is comfortable to admit. I think Gonzo hit the nail on the head when pointing out one of the scariest things in the report is the high number of individuals who are walking the streets who are known and remaining threats to abuse again and again. I don't think anyone is let off, nor "ignored" directly, but, as the report says, they weren't necessarily investigated thoroughly in the first place, for the reasons we know about. Probably similar with the church historically. As for quoting statistics, we'll how silly, when they aren't published in full context. 6% Asian it says- there are only 2.7% Pakistani in the country. There are 3% Indian. If the majority of these 6% are Pakistani Asians, as we are told they are, then there is clearly a bigger percentage of dodgy bastards within that community. One derived from their culture. And of course that's only the ones that have been prosecuted. Oliver, who knows about this stuff reckons it's still going on, and there are loads of dodgy cunts still at large. Thus making the percentage even higher. There is clearly a big problem within that group, and playing the whatabout card is the sort of attitude and approach detailed in the report as being that of the authorities. Can see why things won't change quickly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ani Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 6 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: I don't think anyone is let off, nor "ignored" directly, but, as the report says, they weren't necessarily investigated thoroughly in the first place, for the reasons we know about. Probably similar with the church historically. As for quoting statistics, we'll how silly, when they aren't published in full context. 6% Asian it says- there are only 2.7% Pakistani in the country. There are 3% Indian. If the majority of these 6% are Pakistani Asians, as we are told they are, then there is clearly a bigger percentage of dodgy bastards within that community. One derived from their culture. And of course that's only the ones that have been prosecuted. Oliver, who knows about this stuff reckons it's still going on, and there are loads of dodgy cunts still at large. Thus making the percentage even higher. There is clearly a big problem within that group, and playing the whatabout card is the sort of attitude and approach detailed in the report as being that of the authorities. Can see why things won't change quickly. As you have quoted me and mentioned the whatabout card is that aimed at me ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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