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4 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

That isn't what I said.

Well, it is

"The improvement needed to get past 5 should see us do OK against those teams though."

If you mean it'd earn him the right to continue for the next five matches, then fair enough, but it's not what you posted

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9 minutes ago, bolton va va said:

Christmas.

Evatt is still well in credit for me & i'm still hopeful that when the new players settle  & injured ones  are available, we'll turn it around.

If it's no better at Xmas, then at least , a new manager will have the transfer window to make changes.

I assume that Sharon et al have expectations of promotion this season. So it would have to be an awful lot better for that to still be possible by Christmas. 

Big difference between what is reasonable and what still gives us a chance for this season. It might depend if there is a manager available who could work with what we’ve got. No point bringing someone in who needs to sign their own players. 

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I expect he'll be here for as long as it's felt there's a reasonable possibility of us finishing in the play-off places

Given there's greater competition at the sharp end of the table this season, I think it's likely the number of points required to reach that target will be lower than in previous seasons because they'll probably all take points of each other

That makes it easier to catch up, and I suspect affords Evatt more time to turn it round, but the concern for me is we simply end up with a repeat of last season, where he does well enough to keep us just about in contention but ultimately not well enough to actually achieve promotion

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I want Evatt to succeed as that is good for the club.

The only glimmer of hope is that we have gone on bad runs before and bounced back with great winning/unbeaten streaks.

However he looks and sounds beaten. Back end of last season we were average , Wembley - enough said, his words after Wembley - a man on the edge, a decent transfer window, but other than 20 minutes at the start of games and Shrewsbury we have looked awful and he lacks the ability or willingness to change things. 
 

How does he lift himself and transmit that confidence and drive into a team that is lacking any belief or confidence ? What is going to happen ? End of last season we were dominating games but missing chances. Now we're creating nothing. 

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1 hour ago, DaveTheRave said:

I'd probably be give him another 5/10 games but his behaviour yesterday makes me think he should go now.

Sitting down looking at the floor for 20-30 minutes makes me think he's either given up or is having a breakdown. 

Was very bizarre.

If that’s the case then Sharon may step in sooner rather than later, clearly his health comes first.

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The 4 league games is enough to see there’s an issue. But for me he deserves a fair crack at changing things, so 5-10 more games for me.

But no bones about it, if in 10 games it’s only 2 or 3 more wins and he’s still banging on about it not being the level he expects and having to work harder in training, then he needs to be shown the door.

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Evatt had a awful start to his time at Bolton. But he eventually got the team playing how he wanted and he ended up getting us promoted on the back of it. The problem now is that it's a very distinctive way of playing. Good enough at first but a lot of teams are more capable and prepared for it. For me he's got enough credit in the bank for me not to turn against him. But his style is too predictable and he needs to use another bow on his violin. This one is worn. Our form is poor and the reasons and excuses that are being pumped out are beginning to sound like a broken record.

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14 hours ago, gaztruman said:

I'd imagine everyone who is voting to get rid of him now were the same people saying he should go in the summer. 

 

I'm in that camp. My view in the summer was "sadly, time to go".

Only change now is I'm dropping the "sadly".

Enjoyed Tuesday, then straight back to same old shite Saturday.

No more false dawns for me - time for a change if we want to keep progressing.

Hate this feeling, but he's really starting to wind me up now.

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13 hours ago, Ryan said:

I think that is a bit disingenuous. Evatt got plenty of plaudits when we smashed Plymouth at Wembley or hammered Sunderland and Oxford at home (rightly so). He was very popular in general and the majority of the fans were behind him until results started to change. It hasn't been poor for 4 games, it's been poor for months. Our record since New Year's Day would get most managers of clubs of a similar size/stature/spending power to us at this level the sack.

I didn't want him gone after Wembley because we have improved league position every season, & if we do so again we will achieve our aims. After watching our games this season, I believe that trend will end so for me a change makes sense. If he is sacked, it won't just be down to these 4 games, but rather the last 9 months. If he manages to turn this around, I'm certain 99% of people would be over the moon and would admit they were wrong. Hard to picture at the moment though.

That's fair enough. I just if you think that if you were in the camp of 'evatt should stay' in the summer, you should give him more than 4 league games before sacking him. 

If you were in the 'sack evatt' camp in the summer, then it's easy to see why you'd want him gone after 4 games. 

I really hope he turns it around, I can see him trying different attacks (possibly the plan b and c everyone has been calling for), however at the moment, it's not coming off and leading to goals. We should have bagged 3-4 on saturday, we just fluffed every one of them. 

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36 minutes ago, wakey said:

I'm in that camp. My view in the summer was "sadly, time to go".

Only change now is I'm dropping the "sadly".

Enjoyed Tuesday, then straight back to same old shite Saturday.

No more false dawns for me - time for a change if we want to keep progressing.

Hate this feeling, but he's really starting to wind me up now.

Yeah, I think there is plenty who feel that, probably everyone who bood at HT and FT on Saturday.

I'd have rather him gone in the summer than leave after 4 games (that's why i'd give him around 5-10). If it's still not working after that, it's probably time to say enough is enough. 

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12 hours ago, bolton va va said:

Christmas.

Evatt is still well in credit for me & i'm still hopeful that when the new players settle  & injured ones  are available, we'll turn it around.

If it's no better at Xmas, then at least , a new manager will have the transfer window to make changes.

I'm sorry but that ran out In May

when it's all said and done we all know the mentality of this team, we need a change 

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50 minutes ago, wakey said:

I'm in that camp. My view in the summer was "sadly, time to go".

Only change now is I'm dropping the "sadly".

Enjoyed Tuesday, then straight back to same old shite Saturday.

No more false dawns for me - time for a change if we want to keep progressing.

Hate this feeling, but he's really starting to wind me up now.

It’s the worst scenario to have a manager that has done well is liked generally but has seemingly hit the ceiling. It’s different when a manager has been poor. But this makes the situation much harder. What id say is that for his career I think Evatt would benefit from a challenge elsewhere. Get more experience and learn the game away from the pressure he has here. 

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8 minutes ago, gaztruman said:

Yeah, I think there is plenty who feel that, probably everyone who bood at HT and FT on Saturday.

I'd have rather him gone in the summer than leave after 4 games (that's why i'd give him around 5-10). If it's still not working after that, it's probably time to say enough is enough. 

What would be acceptable after 5-10 more games? Getting to 2 pts per game and autos form seems too much of a stretch (would have to win 8 out of 10), so would it just be a case of getting back near the playoffs and winning 5/6 out of 10?

I just think we'll bumble along with the form we've shown for a long time now. Evatt's been consistently inconsistent for a long enough period to judge. It's not like we're having a month long blip, it's been since Jan

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If we lose the next game and the couple of teams below pick up a point we are in the relegation zone we are 5 points behind playoffs but there are 17 teams above us they can't all lose so we start to fall too far behind I would give him 2 more games to sort it all out

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18 hours ago, desperado said:

See whether this works.

I’m in the he has to sort it out very quickly 5-10 games, just to see if he can get this squad gelling/firing

Me too. Could just as easily see the squad gel and go on a strong run as continue in the same form. But we need a significant improvement in results and performances soon or we risk getting left behind. 

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I was 100% pro Evatt until he started with self pity around the Barnsley away league game 

He's fragile and so is his team 

The only thing we can hope for is a confidence boosting run of performances and results because nothing else will change

We need to get on top and stay on top

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1 minute ago, Zico said:

I was 100% pro Evatt until he started with self pity around the Barnsley away league game 

He's fragile and so is his team 

The only thing we can hope for is a confidential boosting run of performances and results because nothing else will change

We need to get on top and stay on top

I would hope our performances are publicly available and for all to see 

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As said I'd show him tje door here & now. Especially as we're due international break.

Following that logic & that some leeway may happen, the next breaks are early Oct & then early Nov.

He must turn it round by then even if he's given more time.

 

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14 hours ago, bolton va va said:

 

Evatt is still well in credit for me & i'm still hopeful that when the new players settle  & injured ones  are available, we'll turn it around.

If it's no better at Xmas, then at least , a new manager will have the transfer window to make changes.

That's more or less where I am after a sleep and a few pints. 

I still think he's why we are where we are but he's going to have to change lots of things. Question is, has he got it in him ?

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1 hour ago, Stig said:

Evatt's been consistently inconsistent for a long enough period to judge. It's not like we're having a month long blip, it's been since Jan

We rarely have 2 consistent (good) halves. 

Even in the decent run last season we had plenty games where we looked like champions first half and relegation fodder second (Northampton and Orient spring to mind).

Come to think of it, performances seemed to dip second half in most games. Think he's an energy vacuum, sucks the life out of them.

 

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1 hour ago, Stig said:

What would be acceptable after 5-10 more games? Getting to 2 pts per game and autos form seems too much of a stretch (would have to win 8 out of 10), so would it just be a case of getting back near the playoffs and winning 5/6 out of 10?

I just think we'll bumble along with the form we've shown for a long time now. Evatt's been consistently inconsistent for a long enough period to judge. It's not like we're having a month long blip, it's been since Jan

IMO this next 10 games (or sooner than that) is where I’ll make my mind up.

The start is poor, is that because he’s done, it’s a continuation of what we’ve seen from Jan onwards, has reached his ceiling, he won’t change etc

Or is it as he says it is; factors aligned to early season issues of new squad, new formation, fitness/familiarity etc.

Normally I’d be saying Christmas before you write-off a manager into a new season. But we can’t wait that long if things don’t turn around quickly.

Looking at these next 10 games in blocks, if there’s not signs (as in winning games/picking up points) within the first 4/5 then I don’t see how it gets better beyond that.

If there are positive signs in that first block of games back after the break then let’s extend that to 10.

In those 10 league games we’ve got a real mix of H/A games, teams with promotion aspirations, and teams we’d expect to finish mid-table/or towards relegation.

Acceptability for me would be 2 points per game in that block of games. I know after the poor start it wouldn’t be that for the season and it might not have us in promotion contention at that stage. But for me it would be sufficient in us turning our form around and building a foundation for promotion.

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1 hour ago, Stig said:

What would be acceptable after 5-10 more games? Getting to 2 pts per game and autos form seems too much of a stretch (would have to win 8 out of 10), so would it just be a case of getting back near the playoffs and winning 5/6 out of 10?

I just think we'll bumble along with the form we've shown for a long time now. Evatt's been consistently inconsistent for a long enough period to judge. It's not like we're having a month long blip, it's been since Jan

I agree with you, if IE stays, at what stage do we say its working?  Top 6, top 3?  That's a long way off even with a great run.  

Being pedantic I know, but there was nothing wrong with Jan.  The bad run either started in December (the only time 2 consecutive defeats included one at home) or Feb (clearly our worst month).  I hear that we were poor from Jan a lot but we won 3 out of 4 in Jan and also had those good performances v Luton. 

It was the draws that did for us, 3 before Feb, 9 afterwards.  But not comparing like for like as not only were the fixtures tougher generally but we had the fixture backlog/postponements on top.

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