Shrewsbury Town (H)

[Eddie]

8 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

We’re 2 points behind a play off place, that’s after a slow start and switch back in formation after some bad results… won 3 on the spin before yesterday, should have won yesterday and reached play off final last season… sacking him would not be justifiable on his record. 

I’m being deliberately harsh here, but:

2 points or not, there are 12 teams ahead of us in the league and a play off spot is not the aim.

We’ve won 3 on the spin, against Reading, Crawley and Northampton

We should have won yesterday, but we didn’t, against the team 23rd in the league. Shoulda, woulda, coulda - conceding 2 goals a game at home means there’s a good chance you won’t win.

Reached a play off final - means fuck all, we’re in the same league as last year because we lost it without having a shot on target.

Again, it’s probably overly critical, but he can absolutely be sacked on his record when you look at the cold hard facts.

[tomski]

5 minutes ago, Eddie said:

I’m being deliberately harsh here, but:

2 points or not, there are 12 teams ahead of us in the league and a play off spot is not the aim.

We’ve won 3 on the spin, against Reading, Crawley and Northampton

We should have won yesterday, but we didn’t, against the team 23rd in the league. Shoulda, woulda, coulda - conceding 2 goals a game at home means there’s a good chance you won’t win.

Reached a play off final - means fuck all, we’re in the same league as last year because we lost it without having a shot on target.

Again, it’s probably overly critical, but he can absolutely be sacked on his record when you look at the cold hard facts.

This was always gonna happen as well which is the infuriating bit 

[Cheese]

13 minutes ago, Eddie said:

We should have won yesterday, but we didn’t

Shit happens. 🤷‍♂️

[masi 51]

35 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

It astounds me that many fans want Evatt removed from his job, we have league 1 players who sometimes can’t execute the plan or drop below their normal standards and a relatively young manager who has a decent win ratio granted at a league 1/2 level…. Think many fans just don’t like him (not all) his record does not in any way shout out that he’s a fair case for being sacked. 

We had a player who cost 1.2m and 800k on the bench. Half the team play international football........It is not the Bolton Combination.  It is not what he has done previously it is about now.

He has been found out and he has had the chance to change....If he stayed at home and had no input we would still beat the likes of Crawley

As a person he is ok.........................Loved Parkinson as a man but i did not like him as a manager.

Go back Rioch was not well liked but what a manager. 

[Ani]

15 minutes ago, Dr. Feelgood said:

I am very much Evatt out. No dispute there.

If they WERE from his choices what was yesterday all about ? Why revert ? I believe the players won those, not his fantastic Damascene conversion & yesterday, 2nd half, proved that.

The only thing that stopped the win were those substitutions which killed the momentum. But he HAD to make them as his blueprint demanded it.

I have read today that the first half was the players being complacent and Evatts rocket half time got them going.

AND

That Evatt changing the team was to blame for the slow start and then the players settled down second half and improved despite Evatt.

Evatt out people like you give him no credit for anything which is clearly wrong. Evatt in people give him credit for everything which is equally wrong.
He was solely to blame for the bizarre 3 up front system at start of the season but he has now changed that. The defending at corners is a coaching/tactics issue but players must also react quicker, the first was 3 uncontested balls.

You can spend the season blaming him for everything and others can excuse everything, the reality is that we or lose as a team and rarely is it all down to one person. The summer recruitment has left us very top heavy with not enough quality/competition in midfield. We are 1 injury and 1 suspension from Arfield starting and we have a spare squad place. Again is that Evatts fault ? 
 

Personally I would have sacked Evatt after Stevenage away last year, would not have been surprised if Oxford was last game, amazed Huddersfield was nt, but whilst he is manager will support him and desperate for him to prove me wrong. 

[Eddie]

7 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Shit happens. 🤷‍♂️

If shit happens too many times then an objective isn’t achieved and you lose your job. In which case, shit happens 

[tomski]

Just now, Ani said:

I have read today that the first half was the players being complacent and Evatts rocket half time got them going.

AND

That Evatt changing the team was to blame for the slow start and then the players settled down second half and improved despite Evatt.

Evatt out people like you give him no credit for anything which is clearly wrong. Evatt in people give him credit for everything which is equally wrong.
He was solely to blame for the bizarre 3 up front system at start of the season but he has now changed that. The defending at corners is a coaching/tactics issue but players must also react quicker, the first was 3 uncontested balls.

You can spend the season blaming him for everything and others can excuse everything, the reality is that we or lose as a team and rarely is it all down to one person. The summer recruitment has left us very top heavy with not enough quality/competition in midfield. We are 1 injury and 1 suspension from Arfield starting and we have a spare squad place. Again is that Evatts fault ? 
 

Personally I would have sacked Evatt after Stevenage away last year, would not have been surprised if Oxford was last game, amazed Huddersfield was nt, but whilst he is manager will support him and desperate for him to prove me wrong. 

 

[radcliffe white]

The major concern so far for me is our defensive record, even against poorer teams we are needing 3 goals to win a game. I’m happy with a recent form but same time very sceptical and yesterday confirmed that.

After brum into November will give us a good indication on where we’re at imo as we play better opponents and some local derbies 

[noxid]

Yep we should have won and IF that Collins late shot had gone in then we would have been top 7 and Evatt wouldn't have got sent off, so it's a fine line.  Another terrible slow start with a big crowd at home against a week team needs to be addressed. What I'm seeing though is after all the scaremongering that this year's league is not any tougher than last year except for money bags Birmingham who lost yesterday. 

[Johnnyrotten]

32 minutes ago, noxid said:

Yep we should have won and IF that Collins late shot had gone in then we would have been top 7 and Evatt wouldn't have got sent off, so it's a fine line.  Another terrible slow start with a big crowd at home against a week team needs to be addressed. What I'm seeing though is after all the scaremongering that this year's league is not any tougher than last year except for money bags Birmingham who lost yesterday. 

I know what you mean, Huddersfield, Rotherham, Posh and Barnsley for eg are maybe less of a threat than expected, but its undeniable that the 4 small clubs that went down have been replaced by much better - obviously Wrexham and Stockport, but also Mansfield it seems.  So we'll get less "easy" fixtures to build a good points total, as everyone will.  Whoever comes up from L2 this time will probably be very similar in standard to the 4 that go down,  they aren't going to be challengers.

[Stig]

1 hour ago, Cheese said:

Shit happens. 🤷‍♂️

I hope they're not getting you in to help the players' weak mentality 

[tomski]

13 minutes ago, Stig said:

I hope they're not getting you in to help the players' weak mentality 

I dunno. I think if you told em to win more or spend all day debating with cheese, we’d have a few more points

[desperado]

1 hour ago, TroySwoosh said:

Maybe yesterday (1st half) was just a blip, all teams have them, even brum lost to high spending (lol) charlton.

Some of the players could have been a little tired from it being the 3rd game in a week, got a roasting at half time and picked up a bit.

At the end of the day it's all about opinions, you're evatt out so focus on the negatives whereas people who are happy with evatt see the positives

Great post

I think the issue in terms of fan opinion, is so many are set in stone and are unwilling to change their perspective regardless of what they see/read.

So many are waiting (I pause and hope I’m wrong by saying willing) for things to go wrong, so that they can bleat about what the problems/issues are. And in some cases open the floodgates to post some UEFA A coaching advice as to how to be better.

How many folk come on after a win and say I’ve reflected and I’m wrong, this looked good, this looked better than I thought etc etc? Winning threads are so much shorter.

A miss-timed post to support my point of view, because the only people who can be identified as being wrong  this weekend are those like me who thought/think we may have turned a corner.

I say may be wrong, because we still may well have and I’m not wavering at the moment that the next 5/6 league games could see a continuation in our good form and take it into some tougher games.

That’s while I’ll be in the fastest finger for Stockport and Birmingham away.

Of course there’s some worrying signs which are being repeated/not being erased, which means I’m still on the fence.

And I’ve changed my opinion from yesterday on Evatts post match antics. On reflection it was poor and a bad look. 

Take his punishment and move on. 

 

[thebells]

4 minutes ago, desperado said:

Great post

I think the issue in terms of fan opinion, is so many are set in stone and are unwilling to change their perspective regardless of what they see/read.

So many are waiting (I pause and hope I’m wrong by saying willing) for things to go wrong, so that they can bleat about what the problems/issues are. And in some cases open the floodgates to post some UEFA A coaching advice as to how to be better.

How many folk come on after a win and say I’ve reflected and I’m wrong, this looked good, this looked better than I thought etc etc? Winning threads are so much shorter.

A miss-timed post to support my point of view, because the only people who can be identified as being wrong  this weekend are those like me who thought/think we may have turned a corner.

I say may be wrong, because we still may well have and I’m not wavering at the moment that the next 5/6 league games could see a continuation in our good form and take it into some tougher games.

That’s while I’ll be in the fastest finger for Stockport and Birmingham away.

Of course there’s some worrying signs which are being repeated/not being erased, which means I’m still on the fence.

And I’ve changed my opinion from yesterday on Evatts post match antics. On reflection it was poor and a bad look. 

Take his punishment and move on. 

 

No doubt there are those who want Evatt out regardless.  

At full time, I just had yesterday down as ‘one of those games’. Two poor goals to concede but on any other day we’d have scored 5 second half. Last 4 games to me suggest we’ll be in the shake up (top 6) come the end of the season.

In a football sense, I’ve always been supportive of Evatt (albeit sensed his number was up after Huddersfield). 

However, I’m tired of the antics. Actually, I’m tired that he never learns. He’s a grown man in a highly responsible, well paid role. He’s (quite rightly) appealed to people to treat his players, himself and families with more respect. But you can’t then behave in such a poor way yourself. 

I expect he’ll receive a longer ban from the FA now. Even if they show leniency, he’ll certainly be missing from the dugout for one game (but I expect 3). I’ll be very disappointed if he tries to defend himself. 
 

His knack of lurching from crisis to crisis is quite impressive. 

[tomski]

1 minute ago, thebells said:

No doubt there are those who want Evatt out regardless.  

At full time, I just had yesterday down as ‘one of those games’. Two poor goals to concede but on any other day we’d have scored 5 second half. Last 4 games to me suggest we’ll be in the shake up (top 6) come the end of the season.

In a football sense, I’ve always been supportive of Evatt (albeit sensed his number was up after Huddersfield). 

However, I’m tired of the antics. Actually, I’m tired that he never learns. He’s a grown man in a highly responsible, well paid role. He’s (quite rightly) appealed to people to treat his players, himself and families with more respect. But you can’t then behave in such a poor way yourself. 

I expect he’ll receive a longer ban from the FA now. Even if they show leniency, he’ll certainly be missing from the dugout for one game (but I expect 3). I’ll be very disappointed if he tries to defend himself. 
 

His knack of lurching from crisis to crisis is quite impressive. 

Good post. 

[L/H White]

2 hours ago, Eddie said:

I’m being deliberately harsh here, but:

2 points or not, there are 12 teams ahead of us in the league and a play off spot is not the aim.

We’ve won 3 on the spin, against Reading, Crawley and Northampton

We should have won yesterday, but we didn’t, against the team 23rd in the league. Shoulda, woulda, coulda - conceding 2 goals a game at home means there’s a good chance you won’t win.

Reached a play off final - means fuck all, we’re in the same league as last year because we lost it without having a shot on target.

Again, it’s probably overly critical, but he can absolutely be sacked on his record when you look at the cold hard facts.

Bang on. 

He's had two cracks at the playoffs now and failed twice, not sure many other managers would still be in a job. 

Anyway, it will have to be place offs again this season if we've any hope of going up. 

Doesn't fill you with confidence 

[Mounts Kipper]

5 minutes ago, L/H White said:

Bang on. 

He's had two cracks at the playoffs now and failed twice, not sure many other managers would still be in a job. 

Anyway, it will have to be place offs again this season if we've any hope of going up. 

Doesn't fill you with confidence 

We could quite easily be top 2… loads of time yet. 

Edited October 6 by Mounts Kipper

[tomski]

I do wonder if it’s the individuals interpretation of supporting the club that is driving the split on Evatt.

I don’t think anyone is arguing he’s tactically agile and they love how we evolve week after week.

I for one see my support as a bit transactional thanks to people like Neil and just how the game is in general. 

Gone have the days we are all in it together. And you’ll have a sup with the players after etc. This is not a knock on them as I’m glad they can earn as they do. It’s just a reality that it’s different and as a customer I’m entitled to be a bit miffed and consider a change after 4 years of the same.

On the flip side I’ve a couple fellas near me screaming for Evatt to go all game and while I’m aligned, I don’t like the way they go about it and find it all adds to my lack of interest in being there at the moment.

My honest opinion is I don’t like that because as I’ve become older and have to provide and have responsibilities I find it odd to bay for blood to someone in a similar position.

I don’t take to him at all and if I’m honest I never really have. It’s a shame as at the time he was everything I wanted in a manager and I sadly think we just picked the wrong one.
 

 

[tomski]

1 minute ago, Mounts Kipper said:

We could quite easily be top 2… loads of time yet. 

David Davies tell you that😂

[Tonge moor green jacket]

5 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

We could quite easily be top 2… loads of time yet. 

Yep.

Could also go tits up!

Not a big gap which helps, hence the reason why we have to get points against the better teams when we play them.

I can see us playing better against them, as I can't see them being overconfident. It may also come down to flexibility of approach too, and not being quite so formulaic. 

We'll see in the next few weeks.

[L/H White]

1 hour ago, Mounts Kipper said:

We could quite easily be top 2… loads of time yet. 

No chance. And you know it deep down

Edited October 6 by L/H White

[Stig]

59 minutes ago, tomski said:

I do wonder if it’s the individuals interpretation of supporting the club that is driving the split on Evatt.

I don’t think anyone is arguing he’s tactically agile and they love how we evolve week after week.

I for one see my support as a bit transactional thanks to people like Neil and just how the game is in general. 

Gone have the days we are all in it together. And you’ll have a sup with the players after etc. This is not a knock on them as I’m glad they can earn as they do. It’s just a reality that it’s different and as a customer I’m entitled to be a bit miffed and consider a change after 4 years of the same.

On the flip side I’ve a couple fellas near me screaming for Evatt to go all game and while I’m aligned, I don’t like the way they go about it and find it all adds to my lack of interest in being there at the moment.

My honest opinion is I don’t like that because as I’ve become older and have to provide and have responsibilities I find it odd to bay for blood to someone in a similar position.

I don’t take to him at all and if I’m honest I never really have. It’s a shame as at the time he was everything I wanted in a manager and I sadly think we just picked the wrong one.
 

 

There's another factor too imo. Some people see the manager as the club and you should build around them long term, some people see the manager as an employee of the club and you should move them on as you would with players when they've reached their limit.

While I'm not advocating a Watford style hire and fire, I'm more on the latter side. He's had ample time to grow the club and has just reached his limit with us.

That's not saying he can't manage in the championship but it's all gone stale with us, and he's now the thing holding us back.

[ianofcleveleys]

I try and be measured and balanced, whether it's game by game or longer-term (maybe don't always manage it) and I'm not Evatt In, Evatt Out or Evatt Shake it all About for that matter (that last one not a good idea perhaps!). 

What I was looking for, over Summer and into first couple of months of season, were signs that the issues that caused us to fall short had been recognised and were being addressed, either through recruitment, change of approach, or both. 

Still early days yes, still a long way to go yes, still loads of time for sure, but all those things considered I'm not convinced. 

I don't think the recruitment in Summer has made us any stronger generally and in areas where we were suspect last season, while the only change in approach felt necessary was a disaster. So, as far as I'm concerned, we're back where we were, with the same good aspects and the same failings, in a Division that is more competitive than it was last season. 

Does that make me more Evatt Out than Evatt In? Maybe, though not at the point of feeling like any buttons need pressing yet. We aren't at that '10 games in' point yet and we could get to 20 and still have plenty of time for a change to have an impact if it was felt necessary. I'd be up for giving it that long. Games upcoming against the likes of Stockport, Blackpool and Wigan could be the acid tests though, strong performances in them may reignite everyone's confidence, limp ones could turn things toxic again. 

[Dr. Feelgood]

3 hours ago, Ani said:

The summer recruitment has left us very top heavy with not enough quality/competition in midfield.

We are 1 injury and 1 suspension from Arfield starting and we have a spare squad place.

Again is that Evatts fault ? 

Well, in a word "yes".

[Kane57]

Looking at it simply, Evatt is a prick. We all know he's a prick but whilst we're doing well you can put that to one side. When we're doing poorly him being a prick becomes a problem.