Shrewsbury Town (H)

[Johnnyrotten]

30 minutes ago, Bryan458 said:

just seen the highlights back, the defending for both their goals as a team was fucking criminal, shame on them, dopey as fuck !! 

No blame whatsoever on the players, they were carrying out instructions from IE, same as in April.  Don't mark, don't leave anyone on halfway so that they have to leave 2 back, don't go near the edge of the box.  We've all seen some poor performances over the years but I've not seen the fans around me in ESL as angry as they were in the 1st half for a long long time, not through poor play or lack of effort, just for the stubborn, amateurish tactics of the manager. 

Dempsey in particular made the 2nd half entertaining and enjoyable, and I thought Toal was excellent too, we might have won against the mighty Shrewsbury and the place would have been buzzing, but if we're talking about making any impact on this poor division, those 2 goals conceded were final straw stuff for me.  It really feels we are playing with one hand tied behind our back.  

[Bryan458]

Jesus, it's like the inquisition, seriously?? 

[mr_disco]

A manager of a football team, at any level, should be an ambassador for the values that club represents.

A manager of one of the oldest and proudest clubs in the league to be caught ramming his forehead into the face of an opposition player is sub Sunday league form.

The pressure of managing a club the size of Bolton and the position it finds itself in is obviously getting to Evatt. 

I like Evatt but it's clear he has his own issues outside of the game itself but if he can't keep a clear head and manage a football team it's time for him to move on.

[Arrested development]

How can we have every man back for the first corner, and the guy at the back post have nobody near him??

[Johnnyrotten]

4 minutes ago, Arrested development said:

How can we have every man back for the first corner, and the guy at the back post have nobody near him??

You just don't understand

[Burnden Pies]

Wtf is Evatt being defended by some? His behaviour off the pitch is nearly as bad as his tactics on it. He's out of his depth by a million miles and most know it even if they won't say it. This guy's taking us fckng nowhere fast and never will. If  you're blind/ deluded enough to disagree then come back and slag me me off to your heart's content when you prove me wrong. I won't hold my breath.

[ianofcleveleys]

17 minutes ago, Johnnyrotten said:

No blame whatsoever on the players, they were carrying out instructions from IE, same as in April.  Don't mark, don't leave anyone on halfway so that they have to leave 2 back, don't go near the edge of the box.  We've all seen some poor performances over the years but I've not seen the fans around me in ESL as angry as they were in the 1st half for a long long time, not through poor play or lack of effort, just for the stubborn, amateurish tactics of the manager. 

Dempsey in particular made the 2nd half entertaining and enjoyable, and I thought Toal was excellent too, we might have won against the mighty Shrewsbury and the place would have been buzzing, but if we're talking about making any impact on this poor division, those 2 goals conceded were final straw stuff for me.  It really feels we are playing with one hand tied behind our back.  

They got off lightly at half time, a few boos yes but for a half that was utter shite not full-on and fans tried to rally them for last few mins of first half. Scoring straightaway second half obviously helped but fans really got behind the team and drove them on second half 

The pig headed refusal to admit there's something wrong with that corner defending routine could be as much a factor in his undoing as his antics at FT

[Steejay]

1 hour ago, ianofcleveleys said:

Was a different game from HT when Dempsey started to make those stretching runs down right that pulled defenders out and gave JDC room to join in. First half was criminal, back to walking football, 'start fast, score first' had been key to those three wins, concerning how the players couldn't seem to raise themselves to do it again, especially when Atherton reckoned post-match that him and Evatt had expected it.

We were great for half an hour when we upped the tempo and started to move and carry the ball at them at pace, they were panicking, retreating and threatening to leg someone up for a pen in desperation. Subs were badly timed as that full-on tempo was hard for McAtee and (especially) Collins to get up to. 

Dempsey might well have been blowing a bit but Arfield offered nothing, again. Surely Lolos was worth a go for 10 minutes or so. 

 

 

Ridiculous to bring Arfield on rather than Lolos.

[Kane57]

9 minutes ago, Steejay said:

Ridiculous to bring Arfield on rather than Lolos.

Yeah but Lolos isn't Evatt's drinking buddy is he

[RoadRunnerFan]

19 minutes ago, Steejay said:

Ridiculous to bring Arfield on rather than Lolos.

When Arfield was on the line I assumed he was coming on for JDC in a last throw of the dice. They were giving JDC loads of space and it was likely he wouldn't have to do much defending. Sticking Arfield in at right wing back for injury time would have given the opposition something to think about at the very least. Evatt chose to weaken us instead by taking Dempsey off. 

[Dr. Feelgood]

The mood very quickly returns to Evatt's future. After a little run when we played differently, scored early and took the game to the opposition we revert to fckg pit-a-pat ... &, subsequently, to making mistakes and defending like amatuers.

He instructs that playing style, despite the different style getting results. I'm not sure whether in the second half the changed style was just the players grabbing it, rather than him upping the tempo.

... & I fckg hate the play-by-numbers style where he makes the same substitutions, at the same time as if it's a law.

Then the shenanigans at the end. The Mr. Angry act of a man who can't control himself.

We can continue Death by a Thousand cuts or rip the plaster off now. He's not going to change.

[royal white]

Love the bit of passion shown by Evatt but you can’t really go kicking off with players on the pitch especially when you and the club have been vocal about hurty words on the tinterweb. 

Edited October 5 by royal white

[Mounts Kipper]

2 hours ago, royal white said:

Love the bit of passion shown by Evatt but you can’t really go kicking off with players on the pitch especially when you and the club have been vocal about hurty words on the tinterweb. 

Best he shook hands with their manager and assistant then walk down the tunnel and into the dressing room…. That would avoid any future incidents. 

Edited October 6 by Mounts Kipper

[Stig]

7 hours ago, RoadRunnerFan said:

When Arfield was on the line I assumed he was coming on for JDC in a last throw of the dice. They were giving JDC loads of space and it was likely he wouldn't have to do much defending. Sticking Arfield in at right wing back for injury time would have given the opposition something to think about at the very least. Evatt chose to weaken us instead by taking Dempsey off. 

No. It's not possible to do anything other than like for like subs in a game, don't you know this?

Changing formation or playing a player in a slightly different position to usual when chasing a game, what a silly suggestion.

Also, the subs have to be made at exactly the same point every week, starting with both strikers coming off, irrespective of how the game is going.

[ianofcleveleys]

30 minutes ago, Stig said:

Also, the subs have to be made at exactly the same point every week, starting with both strikers coming off, irrespective of how the game is going.

It's this obsession managers have got these days with 'managing the minutes'. Just watch what's in front of you at the time and deal with it accordingly. 'Take each game as it comes' and all that.

Ten Hag got pelters the other night after Rashford, for once, was roasting their opponents, and he hooked him at half time to keep him fresh for today's game. 

[radcliffe white]

Think yesterday was a perfect example of Evatt not learning certain things from last season

The disappointing part is how we can go from quick tempo in previous games to such a lacklustre performance especially in the first half

no doubt he will come out all sad and reel excuses out but ultimately whilst he’s in charge we will just go around in circles it’s going nowhere 

Edited October 6 by radcliffe white

[CambridgeBWFC]

First half was abysmal, but 2nd half was similar to previous games and better than last seasons approaches in similar circumstances. We should have won it, we had the chances.

But agree the substitutes were poor and killed the momentum we had built. Vic should have been subbed, but Charles at that point was still a nuisance and causing problems, Dempsey was also blowing but we lost his energy, drive and attacking intent, for Arfield who offers very little. 

 

 

Edited October 6 by CambridgeBWFC

[JimmyRiddle]

You could see he was fuming, yet not one back room staff, or player, went anywhere near him, as he strode across the pitch!

Now I'm not condoning Evatt, it's on him, but would have hoped someone would have just gone with him and just tried to diffuse the situation.

Tbh I don't really think he did much, that's not a sending off, albeit doesn't look great now shown on every news outlet!

 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

9 hours ago, Johnnyrotten said:

No blame whatsoever on the players, they were carrying out instructions from IE, same as in April.  Don't mark, don't leave anyone on halfway so that they have to leave 2 back, don't go near the edge of the box.  We've all seen some poor performances over the years but I've not seen the fans around me in ESL as angry as they were in the 1st half for a long long time, not through poor play or lack of effort, just for the stubborn, amateurish tactics of the manager. 

Dempsey in particular made the 2nd half entertaining and enjoyable, and I thought Toal was excellent too, we might have won against the mighty Shrewsbury and the place would have been buzzing, but if we're talking about making any impact on this poor division, those 2 goals conceded were final straw stuff for me.  It really feels we are playing with one hand tied behind our back.  

Poor division?

Not according the plenty of posts on here.

Last year was easy, supposedly, this year it's rock 'ard.

So, which is it folks?

As for the game- yep, same ridiculous set up when facing corners.

As for the play, if he can get into them at half time- and rightly so- then why aren't they up for it at the start of the game?

Of course that is something that the coaching team needs to work out, but there must also be a question to the players. Switch on you dopy buggers.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

3 minutes ago, JimmyRiddle said:

You could see he was fuming, yet not one back room staff, or player, went anywhere near him, as he strode across the pitch!

Now I'm not condoning Evatt, it's on him, but would have hoped someone would have just gone with him and just tried to diffuse the situation.

Tbh I don't really think he did much, that's not a sending off, albeit doesn't look great now shown on every news outlet!

 

All a bit of cock waving.

Oh, hang on... 🤣

[masi 51]

6 minutes ago, JimmyRiddle said:

You could see he was fuming, yet not one back room staff, or player, went anywhere near him, as he strode across the pitch!

Now I'm not condoning Evatt, it's on him, but would have hoped someone would have just gone with him and just tried to diffuse the situation.

Tbh I don't really think he did much, that's not a sending off, albeit doesn't look great now shown on every news outlet!

 

In any other workplace the breath of this country that is a sacking for gross misconduct

[Zico]

12 minutes ago, JimmyRiddle said:

 

Tbh I don't really think he did much, that's not a sending off, albeit doesn't look great now shown on every news outlet!

 

It doesn't look great because it isn't 

Red all day long just like if any player does it on the pitch 

Only difference is during a match player goes down head on hands for added effect

[Stig]

10 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Poor division?

Not according the plenty of posts on here.

Last year was easy, supposedly, this year it's rock 'ard.

So, which is it folks?

As for the game- yep, same ridiculous set up when facing corners.

As for the play, if he can get into them at half time- and rightly so- then why aren't they up for it at the start of the game?

Of course that is something that the coaching team needs to work out, but there must also be a question to the players. Switch on you dopy buggers.

It's definitely a tougher division this season, purely for the fact there's more decent teams, none of the relegated teams are basket cases, and then you've got Birmingham spending unheard of amounts.

The problem is the squad we have should still be good enough for top 6 if managed properly. 

As for the players needing to switch on, I agree to an extent, but that second goal from them is exactly how our players are instructed to defend corners - pack the box and leave everything outside it completely free.

[barrycowdrill]

The constant flipping between Evatt being the man and Evatt out will continue for the foreseeable. The fanbase is still very much split. It’s just a case of one being louder than the other depending on the result game by game at the moment. That’s how brittle it is for him.
 

the last few games appeared to show we had turned a corner. However yesterday raises the question of whether they were just papering over the cracks because the performance yesterday could’ve been taken from any point in his tenure. Nigh on 4 years in and it’s rinse and repeat

Not really arsed about his antics after the game. Yeh he shouldn’t get dragged in to it but it’s an emotive game and he’s a passionate guy. Just feels as though the pressure is on him. I’m more arsed about the attitude and application he sends his players out with because in all honesty his and the players only job this season is promotion. Anything else and they have failed. Again. 

[masi 51]

The bloke is out of his league and like the Sarcevics, Doyles etc the club have outgrown him.

I have slated him for his signings at best mediocre for the money he has dished out. 

We have  half a dozen injured and out at any one time because going back to his signings they seem to arrive here injured.

He sets the team up one way and cannot adapt or change midgame. Yesterday being a case in point. We got the game back to 2-2 and it was attack against defence yet he kept three centre backs on marking one player. He could have gone 4/3/3  Put both Collins or McAtee on kept Charles on and took  Toal off along with Vic who offers very little.

The corners are nothing but a joke  leave Two forwards one on either line and that will make the opposition leave a minimum 3 back.

Mark your players not the zonal system that does not work

And like others have stated stop this taking players off at certain times to be replaced by a clone.........Some players have bad games it is natural or the game drifts them by. Can he not see that and adapt to it.

 

He like Doyle and Sarcevic were right for us 4 years ago....Today it is time he joined the other two

Edited October 6 by masi 51