Shrewsbury Town (H)

[masi 51]

8 minutes ago, perth_white said:

And if he did and we conceded he'd have been slagged off for that.

I'm on the fence at the moment regarding Evatt, but agree that outside of football his antics yesterday would receive severe censure.

I'm disappointed with yesterday but a point was rescued from 2 goals down to leave us on 10 points from 4 games. 3 wins out of 4 for the rest of the season gets the job done with breathing space.

Frustrating though.

At times you/he has to be brave and mix things up............Shrewsbury offered nothing going forward the second half

We got back in the game basically because they are poor and the only tactic they had second half was to stop and spoil the game. Shipley who scored the second goal.  Was only their threat. He threw himself to the ground one time too many after about 60mins and pulled something he went off and so did any idea Shrewsbury had of trying to attack

Edited October 6, 2024 by masi 51

[barrycowdrill]

3 minutes ago, RUREADY2ROLL said:

Both goals came from leaving a player totally unmarked. Shocking defending 

Pressure is on now to beat shrewsbury in our next game - no gifts and a comfortable win and we are back on track on moving up the league.

just slightly changed that for you cos that 100% could’ve been taken from after the Northampton game. 
 

as I said, rinse and repeat 

[perth_white]

2 minutes ago, masi 51 said:

At times you/he has to be brave and mix things up............Shrewsbury offered nothing going forward the second half

We got back in the game basically because they are poor and the only tactic they had second half was to stop and spoil the game. Shipley who scored the second goal.  Was only their threat. He threw himself to the ground one time too many after about 60mins and pulled something he went off and so did any idea Shrewsbury had of trying to attack

I'm plenty brave when I'm telling other people what to do and it's purely hypothetical. Strangely I'm a lot less brave when making big decisions at work that directly effect my professional reputation.

[Mounts Kipper]

1 hour ago, Arrested development said:

Don't understand what? I understand there's a guy with 10 yards of space when we have everyone back. I don't care how that happened. Whether they did some of basketball type pick and roll block or the guy just had loads of space with no one marking him. It shouldn't be happening period. They aren't a schoolboy team.

Also worth noting the guy who scored the second goal was also free on the edge of the box for this corner. Peter Atherton came out after the game and said they made the players aware of the tactic, which means the players have basically just ignored the advice. 

Atherton covering Evatts arse, don’t just make players aware, nominate a player to do the job, it’s not rocket science, oh and I’m still Evatt in… for now. 

Edited October 6, 2024 by Mounts Kipper

[barrycowdrill]

3 minutes ago, masi 51 said:

At times you/he has to be brave and mix things up............Shrewsbury offered nothing going forward the second half

Perfect chance there to go 4 at the back (well really 2 as the full backs could’ve gone in alongside the midfield) 3 in midfield and 3 up top. They had no interest for the 2nd half aside from a couple of forays forward. Momentum was with us, they were camped in and the ball just kept getting hoofed away for another wave to come forward. You don’t need 3 centre halves collecting the ball from deep. 
 

but there wasn’t any innovation. It’s replacing like for like in the same formation 

[CambridgeBWFC]

1 hour ago, masi 51 said:

No he did not. We just played a rank bad team in Shrewsbury as we have in Crawley and Northampton. Taking Toal off would not be madness as we would have gone 4/3/3........They offered nothing as a attacking force until injury time

How do you think teams have managed for 150 years....Yes playing 4 at the back. We could have left Charles on and McAtee at the side of him and put Collins wide to keep that stability

Yes he did, we pushed forwards and the defenders started to attack through the middle, it was clearly a change in approach, if not formation and caused them problems.  We were in effect playing 3/3/4 with Schon and DC much further forward, removing a recognised CB, would mean DC dropping back to cover that spot and we don't have a much better option on the right. I suggested Collins could have possibly played that side, or in the middle, but I wouldn't be sacrificing the better defender to achieve that.

His subs were wrong, in my opinion, as they disrupted the pressure we had been building. But not leaving on Toal.

 

Edited October 6, 2024 by CambridgeBWFC

[Zico]

1 hour ago, masi 51 said:

No improvement.........He has gone from the madness of 2 in midfield to back how we played last season......We will win games playing like this against poor teams

 

1 hour ago, London Wanderer said:

He’s going nowhere 

The support he was given from the board will have been at least until Christmas to improve. If the playoffs is a possibility by then, he’ll still be in the job I reckon.

 

1 hour ago, radcliffe white said:

He looks finished in his body language and his antics at the end are those of desperation, yes recent form has been better but it’s clearly obvious from yesterday that certain things aren’t being learnt/or going to change 

Aye but if he isn't walking after 3 defeats and that performance and result v Huddersfield 

He's not walking after 4 or 5 unbeaten 

[waffer cup 07]

Will the club impose a fine on Evatt and will the ELF impose a longer ban.

[Cheese]

4 minutes ago, waffer cup 07 said:

Will the club impose a fine on Evatt and will the ELF impose a longer ban.

Club - probably. EFL - doubt it. He didn't headbutt him ffs.

[marple whites]

2 hours ago, radcliffe white said:

I wouldn’t be surprised if he calls it a day before we play burton 

He won’t walk away, he then loses his pay off unless he agrees a deal behind the scenes

[Tonge moor green jacket]

2 hours ago, nantwichwhite said:

Will the players no think we have a manager who will stand up and be counted. 

Quite possibly. 

Depends upon what actually went on I suppose. 

Trouble is, he does get himself in trouble quite often in the scheme of things, and has commented about it, and said he'd try and stop.

Always a risk he loses respect from the players too.

We just don't know.

[marple whites]

So frustrating yesterday.  First half back to the crap we played before the last 3 results.

second half much better, but having scored 2 early, we should then go and win the game.

vic poor yesterday, should have gone off earlier.  Dempsey superb.

can’t believe the time the lad had to control the ball from the corner before he hit it.  Great strike, but all very well mentioning set pieces to the players, bloody tell them what to do - all it needed was someone between penalty spot and edge of the box to stop that happening - basics

[athywhite1958]

1 hour ago, Cheese said:

Club - probably. EFL - doubt it. He didn't headbutt him ffs.

I think Evatt is very lucky that Feeney didn't make a meal of it as footballers usually do when heads touch

[frank_spencer]

2nd half was brilliant, fair play to Shrewsbury they fought their nuts off and threw in a fair bit of the dark arts.

1st half performance was ok but 2 brain farts from corners including an identical goal to last season not good enough.

Probably would have tried Lolos instead of Arfield especially as we were all over them. Not seen anything from Arfield that he's going to change a game 

Edited October 6, 2024 by frank_spencer

[Hoppy]

From corners and free kicks we need a proper strategy possibly instructions given to the captain to make sure these are carried out prior to the game 

[Deanu]

Not really arsed about him losing his head at the end, don't get me wrong it's embarrassing & punishable but I'm not going to pretend that's the reason he should go. It's the fact every single player bar Dempsey & Schon reverted back to acting as if it's a bloody training match from minute one yet again strolling about trying to settle into a match gradually instead of doing what any team at home should be doing getting right fucking at them like we did Reading. Every single game when opposition get a corner, we can all see there's a guy waiting edge of the box & have conceded plenty of times from that same routine yet we just blatantly dismiss the idea of picking them up. You can afford a couple of slip ups at home throughout a season but this early on & we've only managed 1 in 5 wins at home? Got to be beating teams like Exeter & Shrewsbury at home it's as simple as that!

[Duck Egg]

Off the back of one of our finest away performances in years I did not see that first half coming. As someone upthread said, like Oxford but against weaker opponents.

I'm still Evatt in for now because his teams are capable of playing like they did at Northampton.  Trouble is, his sides have been incapable of beating the better opponents in the division and I don't see that changing this season.

[Dr. Feelgood]

1 minute ago, Duck Egg said:

... his sides have been incapable of beating the better opponents in the division and I don't see that changing this season.

So you're giving up on this season ?

He either changes, & he's had 3 major opportunities to do that.

Or we get same ol', same ol' ... & we know how that ends.

I honestly think the past 3 games were despite, not because of him.

[TroySwoosh]

7 minutes ago, Dr. Feelgood said:

So you're giving up on this season ?

He either changes, & he's had 3 major opportunities to do that.

Or we get same ol', same ol' ... & we know how that ends.

I honestly think the past 3 games were despite, not because of him.

But is that thought not biased as you're Evatt out? One could also say, 'I think the past 3 wins were due to Evatt's choices'

[Johnnyrotten]

3 hours ago, Arrested development said:

Don't understand what? I understand there's a guy with 10 yards of space when we have everyone back. I don't care how that happened. Whether they did some of basketball type pick and roll block or the guy just had loads of space with no one marking him. It shouldn't be happening period. They aren't a schoolboy team.

Also worth noting the guy who scored the second goal was also free on the edge of the box for this corner. Peter Atherton came out after the game and said they made the players aware of the tactic, which means the players have basically just ignored the advice. 

It was just light hearted, I was agreeing with you.

But we are mere fans/observers and we bow to the superior tactical know-how of the professionals.  And they say we mustn't mark anyone from set pieces.  It must be confusing for players that they are told to always track runners and close down opponents when its open play, but if the same pass/cross is from a corner, its OK not to mark up.  I struggle to understand the difference, nor why we must defend a corner with 11 men, but at no other point in the game do we ever bring 11 men back to defend an attack, we always leave at least one on the half way line, and so occupy 2 defenders minimum.

Regarding Atherton's comments, its irrelevant, we defended the corner like we have 90% of corners this year, telling them a player has a half decent shot is very different to instructing them to mark him. Trying to shift the blame onto the players is poor, but we know better than to listen to what's said pre and post match, its only what happens on the pitch that demonstrates the tactics employed.

[Mounts Kipper]

It astounds me that many fans want Evatt removed from his job, we have league 1 players who sometimes can’t execute the plan or drop below their normal standards and a relatively young manager who has a decent win ratio granted at a league 1/2 level…. Think many fans just don’t like him (not all) his record does not in any way shout out that he’s a fair case for being sacked. 

[Eddie]

4 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

It astounds me that many fans want Evatt removed from his job, we have league 1 players who sometimes can’t execute the plan or drop below their normal standards and a relatively young manager who has a decent win ratio granted at a league 1/2 level…. Think many fans just don’t like him (not all) his record does not in any way shout out that he’s a fair case for being sacked. 

I’d say I’m centre right in the Evatt out camp, not dead set that he has to go but probably leaning towards it if pushed to choose.

Being completely matter of fact - he’s 13th in L1 after 9 games of his 4th season in this league. With the size of the club and the money he’s had to spend, relative to this league, it’s not a glowing record.

[Mounts Kipper]

7 minutes ago, Eddie said:

I’d say I’m centre right in the Evatt out camp, not dead set that he has to go but probably leaning towards it if pushed to choose.

Being completely matter of fact - he’s 13th in L1 after 9 games of his 4th season in this league. With the size of the club and the money he’s had to spend, relative to this league, it’s not a glowing record.

We’re 2 points behind a play off place, that’s after a slow start and switch back in formation after some bad results… won 3 on the spin before yesterday, should have won yesterday and reached play off final last season… sacking him would not be justifiable on his record. 

Edited October 6, 2024 by Mounts Kipper

[Dr. Feelgood]

17 minutes ago, TroySwoosh said:

But is that thought not biased as you're Evatt out? One could also say, 'I think the past 3 wins were due to Evatt's choices'

I am very much Evatt out. No dispute there.

If they WERE from his choices what was yesterday all about ? Why revert ? I believe the players won those, not his fantastic Damascene conversion & yesterday, 2nd half, proved that.

The only thing that stopped the win were those substitutions which killed the momentum. But he HAD to make them as his blueprint demanded it.

[TroySwoosh]

Maybe yesterday (1st half) was just a blip, all teams have them, even brum lost to high spending (lol) charlton.

Some of the players could have been a little tired from it being the 3rd game in a week, got a roasting at half time and picked up a bit.

At the end of the day it's all about opinions, you're evatt out so focus on the negatives whereas people who are happy with evatt see the positives