Mansfield Town (A)

[Stig]

3 hours ago, L/H White said:

still plenty credit in the bank

We go again

[FrancisFogarty]

43 minutes ago, Traf said:

He won't play a back four, because to him Santos is his number 1 defender, but he's an absolute liability in a four.

How many times have I said on here sometimes he can be 'captain fantastic', but more and more these days he shows his 'Corporal Clott' face.

[Stig]

3 hours ago, desperado said:

There’s some proper mumbo jumbo at the beginning there about “blocks, stresses, scoreline pressure and patience” 

Ah well, new ground ticked off.

Not bothering with these next 3 aways.

I’ll think again when it comes to Huddersfield. 

He's an idiot hiding behind football jargon to try to sound clever.

[Rival Son]

37 minutes ago, Kane57 said:

Schon is a disaster. He's incredibly petulant too

Schon (like Collins and, possibly, McAtee) is an example of the Championship quality players we have added to the squad, who is hampered by a bad manager, employing an exposed and one-dimensional system, and - following the loss of Hird and Craddock - being coached by a bunch of unqualified yes-men.

Edited January 1, 2025 by Rival Son

[Stig]

2 hours ago, Whitesince63 said:

Why though? What is it that Sharon sees in Evatt that the rest of us are missing? Everything we saw today just confirmed exactly why he should not receive a bloody vote of confidence and even more money to waste. I admire loyalty but this is pure stupidity and it has to end. He’s had everything so far, full control, consistent backing, money to spend, amazing support from the fans but let’s just say it as it is. He’s failed and were quickly going backwards so please someone, anyone, tell me what it is that Sharon is seeing? 

Are there 2 people with your username? Your posts are regularly poles apart. As an example; this morning saying we all have to end the debate on Evatt as he's going nowhere and now starting a debate on Evatt asking what the board are seeing. It's honestly confusing me.

[FrancisFogarty]

4 minutes ago, Rival Son said:

Schon (like Collins and, possibly, McAtee) is an example of the Championship quality players we have added to the squad, who is hampered by a bad manager, employing an exposed and one-dimensional system, and - following the loss of Hird and Craddock - being coached by a bunch of unqualified yes-men.

Like most of the players actually. They are young blokes who want to play football, without someone continually in their earholes making them play how he and only he wants.

[gonzo]

He's reached Dougie Freedman levels of delusional self belief.

 

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

I'm not sure I can agree that Schon is good enough for the league above

[ianofcleveleys]

7 minutes ago, gonzo said:

He's reached Dougie Freedman levels of delusional self belief.

 

We're not quite at letting Yeovil have all the possession as part of a cunning tactical plan levels yet but it's getting that way

[Kane57]

19 minutes ago, Rival Son said:

Schon (like Collins and, possibly, McAtee) is an example of the Championship quality players we have added to the squad, who is hampered by a bad manager, employing an exposed and one-dimensional system, and - following the loss of Hird and Craddock - being coached by a bunch of unqualified yes-men.

What makes Schon Championship quality? Unless you mean the Scottish Championship?

[Whitesince63]

17 minutes ago, Stig said:

Are there 2 people with your username? Your posts are regularly poles apart. As an example; this morning saying we all have to end the debate on Evatt as he's going nowhere and now starting a debate on Evatt asking what the board are seeing. It's honestly confusing me.

Not confusing me. I said that Sharon has backed him like it or not. Now I’m asking why. Clearly you’re easily confused.

[masi 51]

I have heard many on here say we do not have the players to play a back 4. We certainly do not have have the players to play with wingbacks.

Jones has been on a trip with Evatt and Bolton but since he went away with Australia and got that injury, on his return he has been woeful. He has lost a yard of pace and his passing is woeful.  Cogley puts a shift in and is a good lge2/bottom half lge1 player. Williams is another honest pro but has limitations. Desmond and Schon are simply wingers and  would be top lge 1 players in a 4/4/2.

What has Forrester done to get dropped.....Could he play right back.....Certainly better than Jones and Cogley

Re calling Conway could pay off on the left of a 4....Johnston like Jones has not been as good since his return

Thomason would not get into a Bolton team that played 442 on form or Lolos who is great on the ball but like Collins does not track back.

Will not change until we have change

 

[worthy10]

Interesting element to the name of our owners, Football Ventures;

A venture is a project or activity that is new, exciting, and difficult because it involves the risk of failure.

 

how much will they risk and what is failure?

[TroySwoosh]

50p 

 

losing 50p

 

 

fuck sake

[Jol_BWFC]

2 hours ago, ianofcleveleys said:

We're not quite at letting Yeovil have all the possession as part of a cunning tactical plan levels yet but it's getting that way

I think he genuinely believes the way to win a game is to generate a high xG (because that suggests more goals) and by maximising possession stats (because they can’t score when we have the ball).

But it’s not that simple, especially in league one. Matches aren’t played on paper / in a simulation. The way to win a game is to score more goals than they do.

I’m sure that’s why he sees a different game to the one everyone else has watched. He lives in a different reality.

Edit: I’ve just listened to his post-match interview with BWFC. He genuinely said “the two moments applied scoreboard pressure to us.” That’s a new one: “scoreboard pressure”. It’s called fucking goals. Absolute moonman. 

 

Edited January 2, 2025 by Jol_BWFC

[FrancisFogarty]

It’s true they can’t score if we’ve got the ball ,but neither can we if the 60 odd percent possession is between our keeper and Santos.

I know it wasn’t a great game against Lincoln but we were a bit more direct and scored 3. Who’d have thought?

[only1swanny]

3 hours ago, FrancisFogarty said:

It’s true they can’t score if we’ve got the ball ,but neither can we if the 60 odd percent possession is between our keeper and Santos.

I know it wasn’t a great game against Lincoln but we were a bit more direct and scored 3. Who’d have thought?

Passing it side to side and allowing them to get all their players back.. even on their corners we have 11 in our box.

Leave one at the half way line and they need to keep 2 defenders back. If we clear it towards them it creates huge pressure for them to get back quickly. The players have been over trained in certain movements, and are forgetting basics. 

 

And anyone who calls a goal "scoreboard pressure" needs their head checking. What a pratt. 

[marple whites]

Can’t defend and can’t score - the 2 fundamentals to win football matches.

the second half was boring. 

set pieces were garbage.

got what we deserved …… again 

[desperado]

22 minutes ago, only1swanny said:

And anyone who calls a goal "scoreboard pressure" needs their head checking. What a pratt. 

 

7 hours ago, Jol_BWFC said:

I think he genuinely believes the way to win a game is to generate a high xG (because that suggests more goals) and by maximising possession stats (because they can’t score when we have the ball).

But it’s not that simple, especially in league one. Matches aren’t played on paper / in a simulation. The way to win a game is to score more goals than they do.

I’m sure that’s why he sees a different game to the one everyone else has watched. He lives in a different reality.

Edit: I’ve just listened to his post-match interview with BWFC. He genuinely said “the two moments applied scoreboard pressure to us.” That’s a new one: “scoreboard pressure”. It’s called fucking goals. Absolute moonman. 

 

I’m quick to defend him if it’s warranted. I’ve posted numerous times that not everything he’s saying/doing is wrong.

But that interview yesterday was one of the worst. 

He’s just tried to use nonsense and psycho-babble to cover up deficiencies.

 

[thebells]

1 minute ago, desperado said:

 

I’m quick to defend him if it’s warranted. I’ve posted numerous times that not everything he’s saying/doing is wrong.

But that interview yesterday was one of the worst. 

He’s just tried to use nonsense and psycho-babble to cover up deficiencies.

 

I think he’s probably fed up of saying the same things himself. He couldn’t really apologise / talk about ‘responding’ yesterday so went down a different route. I’m long past bothering what he says. It makes no difference anymore. 

The game was lost yesterday by player errors (again). Ultimately that’s on Evatt but it comes back to a different voice. These players are good enough to avoid those errors, but Evatt’s voice isn’t enough to stop the mistakes happening. 

We all know his this ends. Simply a question of who pulls the trigger and when 

[Big E]

6 minutes ago, thebells said:

I think he’s probably fed up of saying the same things himself. He couldn’t really apologise / talk about ‘responding’ yesterday so went down a different route. I’m long past bothering what he says. It makes no difference anymore. 

The game was lost yesterday by player errors (again). Ultimately that’s on Evatt but it comes back to a different voice. These players are good enough to avoid those errors, but Evatt’s voice isn’t enough to stop the mistakes happening. 

We all know his this ends. Simply a question of who pulls the trigger and when 

He could have just come out and said it was awful. Actually took the honest approach. Thomason was equally full of nonsense. It makes you question what reality they live in 

[Eddie]

5 minutes ago, thebells said:

I think he’s probably fed up of saying the same things himself. He couldn’t really apologise / talk about ‘responding’ yesterday so went down a different route. I’m long past bothering what he says. It makes no difference anymore. 

The game was lost yesterday by player errors (again). Ultimately that’s on Evatt but it comes back to a different voice. These players are good enough to avoid those errors, but Evatt’s voice isn’t enough to stop the mistakes happening. 

We all know his this ends. Simply a question of who pulls the trigger and when 

Agreed. He knows the situation he’s in, he knows it’s not ending well, he knows that every defeat puts him closer to the inevitable result.

If it was one loss in the middle of good results then he can just bring out the standard soundbites - he ran out of those long ago, he knows he can’t be honest and say I’ve fucked it, I’m out of ideas, we’re playing terribly, we can’t defend, so he’s just picking out football cliches / jargon to fill the interview that he has to do.

He’s a lame duck, there’s only one question now and it’s when.

[thebells]

8 minutes ago, Big E said:

He could have just come out and said it was awful. Actually took the honest approach. Thomason was equally full of nonsense. It makes you question what reality they live in 

I think they know the reality, but also know it makes no difference anymore. He can come out and speak French for all I care. 

He has an obligation to do these interviews when I imagine all he wants to do is hide under a rock. 
 

I suppose if he admits it’s awful, you could argue he’s loading the gun for his employers. 

[gonzo]

33 minutes ago, desperado said:

 

I’m quick to defend him if it’s warranted. I’ve posted numerous times that not everything he’s saying/doing is wrong.

But that interview yesterday was one of the worst. 

He’s just tried to use nonsense and psycho-babble to cover up deficiencies.

 

I'm the same as you pal. Think we are/were probably last men standing on here on giving him the benefit of doubt despite our clear and obvious failings.

I've never been interested in his soundbites. They are generally always bollocks from every manager in the land.

But he sounds fucking mental at the minute. He sounds like a man on the ropes with no way out.

I still think to this day, we will amass enough points to be in shout with a play off spot come May, in spite of how pedestrian and shite we look at the minute.

That's nowhere near good enough though and if he left today I'd be sad as we've had some good times under him, but I'd be relieved it's all over now.

He's beginning to do my head in.

Edited January 2, 2025 by gonzo

[Dr. Feelgood]

58 minutes ago, only1swanny said:

... anyone who calls a goal "scoreboard pressure" needs their head checking. What a pratt. 

But it was a huge scoreboard & pitch side & level. Seeing it saying 2-0 must have been awful for the players as they walked past it. It sure pissed me off.