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[worthy10]

10 minutes ago, Wanderlust said:

Thought our passing, final ball and hold up play was poor for most of the game so there’s plenty to work on. Schuey suggested that was in part down to Wrexham’s pressing which certainly didn’t help, but the thing is we’ve seen them play some fluid, high tempo stuff under pressure before and we could do with bringing that every game instead of putting us through the wringer.

We’re definitely going in the right direction but we’re still some way off Championship quality - we’re slowly getting there though. See how we go against Brum.

The casm between,  div 1 and championship is massive and will continue to grow exponentially. The only exceptions to this will be hugh spending, which may be even a stretch Birmingham and Wrexham. Watch top half champ football and they are superior in every element of the game. Likewise the jump from champs to Premier league. Promotion and consolidation is a very tough gig. But hopefully,  we'll cross that bridge.....

[Zico]

2 hours ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

All to play for

Am confident

One other thing I noticed today 

GT came on and actually looked to do a couple of decent defensive manoeuvres rather than just running round being a clumsy twat trying to tackle 

[Johnnyrotten]

4 hours ago, Duck Egg said:

Good point. Forrester and Morley rarely put a foot wrong. CMG did well for someone who's been out so long.

Yes as others have said, Forrester now undroppable for the foreseeable, and you never know he might be the captain we've needed.  I also enjoyed CMGs brief appearance although far from perfect, but he has a way of getting involved and putting himself about, with decent skill.

Not sure I agree on Morley, not one of his better games, didn't impose himself and not sure why he wasn't taking set pieces because Sheehan's were awful.   

[Zico]

5 minutes ago, worthy10 said:

The casm between,  div 1 and championship is massive and will continue to grow exponentially. The only exceptions to this will be hugh spending, which may be even a stretch Birmingham and Wrexham. Watch top half champ football and they are superior in every element of the game. Likewise the jump from champs to Premier league. Promotion and consolidation is a very tough gig. But hopefully,  we'll cross that bridge.....

I'm not convinced when I look at the bottom half of the championship

As in 

Get back in there, and stay up and there's no reason we should be worried about staying there

[Farnywhite]

15 minutes ago, worthy10 said:

The casm between,  div 1 and championship is massive and will continue to grow exponentially. The only exceptions to this will be hugh spending, which may be even a stretch Birmingham and Wrexham. Watch top half champ football and they are superior in every element of the game. Likewise the jump from champs to Premier league. Promotion and consolidation is a very tough gig. But hopefully,  we'll cross that bridge.....

Blackburn are doing alright not spending premier league money and preston are competitive the difference is there established championship teams without huge amounts to spend but are on a slow burn . Ipswich didn’t do to bad also from league one 

[worthy10]

9 minutes ago, Farnywhite said:

Blackburn are doing alright not spending premier league money and preston are competitive the difference is there established championship teams without huge amounts to spend but are on a slow burn . Ipswich didn’t do to bad also from league one 

An established champ team get good money for staying in the league, relative to div 1 money. Of course there are exeptions and Ipswich are just that.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

30 minutes ago, Rival Son said:

We’d have been recruiting in June!

Never going to happen that, rightly or wrongly.

Once they'd had the chat and reset, we were going again with him.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

28 minutes ago, Zico said:

Am confident

One other thing I noticed today 

GT came on and actually looked to do a couple of decent defensive manoeuvres rather than just running round being a clumsy twat trying to tackle 

No longer playing in total confusion, like the rest of them.

Team seems more cohesive, if not yet flying.

A steady improvement, with some focus by the manager on defending.

Big ask on Tuesday, but a win would be a big statement, and a huge confidence boost to players and fans alike.

[worthy10]

20 minutes ago, Farnywhite said:

Blackburn are doing alright not spending premier league money and preston are competitive the difference is there established championship teams without huge amounts to spend but are on a slow burn . Ipswich didn’t do to bad also from league one 

Blackburn got £18m for Wharton and 11 for szmodics. That helps the struggle I guess?

Edited March 1, 2025 by worthy10
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[Tonge moor green jacket]

3 minutes ago, worthy10 said:

Blackburn got £18m for Wharton and 11 for szmodics. That helps the struggle I guess?

With very little available for players. 

Covered elsewhere, but they're still losing money hand over fist without such sales. 

[Farnywhite]

13 minutes ago, worthy10 said:

An established champ team get good money for staying in the league, relative to div 1 money. Of course there are exeptions and Ipswich are just that.

That’s it you get there and stay there and build slowly and hopefully get a good season on the way we’re your  challenging . I think the quality as actually gone down last couple of seasons . Oxford managed to turn it around in the champ after finishing 6 in league one last season . Blackburn nearly got relegated 2 seasons ago and have been around the playoffs ever since 

Edited March 1, 2025 by Farnywhite

[Dimron]

1 hour ago, Winchester White said:

Do you have a lisp?

Not according to his Faithbook profile 😁

[Johnnyrotten]

3 hours ago, burnden said:

 

He obviously likes CMG, which I'd be in favour of as I think he offers something nobody else does, probably overtaken Lolos in the pecking order as they play similar positions (I don't know what position! but whatever it is, they are similar to each other).

He mentioned they'd worked on stopping crosses - I wouldn't like to have seen how it would have looked if we hadn't.  It seemed like an endless supply of crosses either from open play or from us giving away needless free kicks (another from McAtee again today - just stay away from our half, a defensive liability).  We only got away with it through very poor finishing.

[Eddie]

Great point, would have taken it before the game and absolutely would take it post game.

Really shit game, a proper Parky game, terrible surface, they just lumped absolutely everything, made sure they stopped us as soon as we had a chance to do anything and generally just meant it was only ever going to be a shocker.

I thought we were poor going forwards but resolute at the back and I thought Morley was by far the best player on the pitch - he was absolutely everywhere, what a player he’s showing himself to be.

Both centre backs were brilliant but I’d say Forrester just continues to get better and better. He’s going to become a real asset and for me is the one where the moneyball mantra could really work - it wouldn’t surprise me to see a big bid in the next couple of years, especially if we get to the championship.

I got a few pelters for the “non-league standard” left hand side. Probably rightly so, it was an over-exaggeration, but I stand by the fact that Tutu isn’t a starter. He can go past a player and there’ll be times where he’s a useful asset, but he plays so half-arsed and his game management is so poor that he’s a liability from the off - not helped by Murphy who granted is young but my god he’s positionally poor. The two of them down that side makes us really weak in my opinion.

One thing that surprised me, and I wonder whether it points to a change in opinion from Evatt to Schumacher - GT was only brought on very late, and about 4th or 5th off the bench. In a game when even I was thinking that it’d be useful to get him on the pitch, it was surprising to see SS give him so little game time. Might be something of nothing but it suggested he’s not quite held in as high regard as with Evatt.

As others have said - it’s a point we wouldn’t pick up under Evatt, it showed back bone, we dug in, we gave as good as we got, and in the end we were only a very good save from Collins away from a perfect away performance. Bring on the blues.

[Johnnyrotten]

Schuey also picked up on the fact that Southwood hasn't made a save in the last few games, I'm struggling to recall the last one.  Obviously if he's nothing to save great, can't complain but its strange that he's been our first choice keeper for months now yet if someone asked me if he's any good I wouldn't have an answer.  His handling isn't great, he seems to lack height and I really don't know if he's any good at shot saving.  Kicking - I don't really care TBH. 

Not a criticism, just an observation, I don't know if he's our No 1 for next season whereas when Baxter came I knew he was our No 1 from his first game, he just looked the part.

[worthy10]

17 minutes ago, Eddie said:

Great point, would have taken it before the game and absolutely would take it post game.

Really shit game, a proper Parky game, terrible surface, they just lumped absolutely everything, made sure they stopped us as soon as we had a chance to do anything and generally just meant it was only ever going to be a shocker.

I thought we were poor going forwards but resolute at the back and I thought Morley was by far the best player on the pitch - he was absolutely everywhere, what a player he’s showing himself to be.

Both centre backs were brilliant but I’d say Forrester just continues to get better and better. He’s going to become a real asset and for me is the one where the moneyball mantra could really work - it wouldn’t surprise me to see a big bid in the next couple of years, especially if we get to the championship.

I got a few pelters for the “non-league standard” left hand side. Probably rightly so, it was an over-exaggeration, but I stand by the fact that Tutu isn’t a starter. He can go past a player and there’ll be times where he’s a useful asset, but he plays so half-arsed and his game management is so poor that he’s a liability from the off - not helped by Murphy who granted is young but my god he’s positionally poor. The two of them down that side makes us really weak in my opinion.

One thing that surprised me, and I wonder whether it points to a change in opinion from Evatt to Schumacher - GT was only brought on very late, and about 4th or 5th off the bench. In a game when even I was thinking that it’d be useful to get him on the pitch, it was surprising to see SS give him so little game time. Might be something of nothing but it suggested he’s not quite held in as high regard as with Evatt.

As others have said - it’s a point we wouldn’t pick up under Evatt, it showed back bone, we dug in, we gave as good as we got, and in the end we were only a very good save from Collins away from a perfect away performance. Bring on the blues.

Some excellent points there Eddie; Morley has improved during his time on loan. Not a speed merchant but can regularly be seen chasing back. SS seems to like him. Regarding GT, I personally think he peaked last season, he has massive passion and is very verbal on the pitch. But his clumsiness in the tackle is a costly and well documented facet. Going forward, I think barring injuries to others, he will be a bit part player and moved on in the summer and the much awated bastard with be brought in.

[Johnnyrotten]

1 hour ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

In which case, with the possible exception of Birmingham, no one is championship quality.

Turning into a reasonable record so far against the top sides.

It doesn't matter how good or not the team is with regards to the championship- we simply have to be good enough to get promoted.

Seemed to be IE's blind spot: get ready for the championship, without realising that it wouldn't just happen because he thought we had the best team.

Definitely not.  Taking Huddersfield as an eg, clearly not good enough for the championship last season and got a weaker team this season, they would hardly get a point with their current team IMO.

Derby finished 2nd in L1 last season, strengthened their team, bottom of championship now.

[Burndens Bogs]

I didn't rate Morley today tbh, i thought he was very quiet.

Although to be fair to him, we had a lot of players who didn't show much, apart from Forrester.

2 observations - Tutu ain't good enough to be starting & Murphy isn't good enough to nail the LB spot.

Edited March 1, 2025 by Burndens Bogs

[Johnnyrotten]

1 hour ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

In which case, with the possible exception of Birmingham, no one is championship quality.

Turning into a reasonable record so far against the top sides.

It doesn't matter how good or not the team is with regards to the championship- we simply have to be good enough to get promoted.

Seemed to be IE's blind spot: get ready for the championship, without realising that it wouldn't just happen because he thought we had the best team.

We've played 9 games against current top 6, conceded 15 and scored 2!

OK 9 of those were in 2 games so its misleading, but still only 6 points from 9 games and only won 1.  Failed to score in 7.   Not complaining with 0-0 at Wrexham but another game away from home we've under performed offensively.

[Johnnyrotten]

8 minutes ago, Burndens Bogs said:

I didn't rate Morley today tbh, i thought he was very quiet.

Although to be fair to him, we had a lot of players who didn't show much, apart from Forrester.

2 observations - Tutu ain't good enough to be starting & Murphy isn't good enough to nail the LB spot.

Agreed on Morley, glad it wasn't just me.  Agreed on Forrester and Murphy.

Not sure who you would start instead of Tutu - someone has to play there, what are the satisfactory options?  Whoever it is, we'd have less of a threat from out wide.

[desperado]

2 hours ago, tomski said:

ie and his bum chums on here were a big blow to this season. So obvious it was going tits up but we were told to stop being moaners.

That said, it’s gone. For me it’s a free hit this season. If we make it, great. If not. This man can deliver the big season we all crave.

Respectful opinions and  all that. As it always is with us pal.

While not a bum-chum, I backed him till Huddersfield and, at times, even after that, (even though in my heart of hearts I knew it probably wasn’t going to work)

But flip the situation, people were quick to jump down the throats of those claiming the negative fans weren’t helping the situation. Comments like “oh yeh always the fans fault” etc. 

I don’t think as fans, backing the manager, players and club we were “a big blow to the season”

By all means throw your criticism at Evatt, you were proved right. I’m now cringing listening to him today.

But not at the fans who supported and wanted it to work. We only wanted the club to win and succeed. It’s not us making the footballing decisions. 

[Eddie]

11 minutes ago, Burndens Bogs said:

I didn't rate Morley today tbh, i thought he was very quiet.

Although to be fair to him, we had a lot of players who didn't show much, apart from Forrester.

2 observations - Tutu ain't good enough to be starting & Murphy isn't good enough to nail the LB spot.

Different type of “very good” performance in my eyes to the usual eye catching type that you’d usually class as a brilliant performance.

The amount of times that a pass went astray and it could have been dangerous but he was there to mop up, a full back was caught out up the pitch and he was there covering, ball breaks on the edge of our area and he was first to it etc..

I don’t think anyone was going to stand out today for the nice parts of the game, I just thought he was unbelievably solid as a centre mid in a horrible scrappy game and I’m delighted to have him back in our shirt.

[CumbrianWhite]

3 minutes ago, Johnnyrotten said:

Agreed on Morley, glad it wasn't just me.  Agreed on Forrester and Murphy.

Not sure who you would start instead of Tutu - someone has to play there, what are the satisfactory options?  Whoever it is, we'd have less of a threat from out wide.

Yeah I’d agree with that, our best two chances today both came from Tutu. Apart from maybe Mendes Gomes he’s our only real pace and his ability to beat defenders can’t be underestimated. 
 

Murphy looks a little nervous. I think he’ll play higher than league one though.

[desperado]

1 hour ago, Johnnyrotten said:

Not sure I agree on Morley, not one of his better games, didn't impose himself

Not sure whether it’s one of those where you get a different perspective watching it live.

He was covering every blade of grass today. Putting himself into physical challenges, defensively covering a lot of ground, marshalling that midfield and generally doing a lot of the dog work he was criticised under IE for not doing.

I took time out to watch him round the pitch today, he was everywhere

Between him and Forrrster for MOTM today for me.

[Burndens Bogs]

I know we're not blessed with left sided attacking players at the mo, but the game seems to pass Tutu by when he starts - better used as an impact sub imo.