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[Rival Son]

I’m still thinking 4-2-3-1, with an out and out 9 (to be purchased), in front of a 10 (take your pick) flanked by 2 wingers (left may be covered but need options for the right).

[thebells]

5 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

Collins could play on the left of a front three for me

I don't think the other two could

Agree. And I think he would be pretty effective there. But I think they ‘could’ play on the right. Not my ideal scenario but just trying to work out how we create a system for some of these players. SS may be ruthless and tell them all they can leave. Who knows! 

[Johnnyrotten]

1 hour ago, thebells said:

Signed a new contract around Xmas that kicks in now. So he’ll have 2 more years. I think some lower champ clubs may offer money personally, but likely around the £250k mark. Question of whether SS wants to allocate his wages elsewhere. I know he’s not a hard man, and can go missing in some physical games, but he’s still an outstanding player at this level when utilised correctly (fully appreciate that won’t be universally agreed with).  

I'll agree to disagree.  Mainly on the basis that I can't think of a championship team that would class themselves as "lower champ clubs", other than 2 of the 3 promoted sides and possibly PNE and Oxford - none of which will sign a player lacking in physique like Sheehan.  Looking at the list of Champ clubs, I just don't see how Sheehan improves any of them and that's no disrespect to him, its just the reality of the gap between the two divisions.  

[Zico]

29 minutes ago, Johnnyrotten said:

I'll agree to disagree.  Mainly on the basis that I can't think of a championship team that would class themselves as "lower champ clubs", other than 2 of the 3 promoted sides and possibly PNE and Oxford - none of which will sign a player lacking in physique like Sheehan.  Looking at the list of Champ clubs, I just don't see how Sheehan improves any of them and that's no disrespect to him, its just the reality of the gap between the two divisions.  

He's 30 and never played above L1 

Having good games for Wales isn't getting him a move to the Championship 

And I doubt he'll be a starter for us next season

[Whitesince63]

Think you’re selling Josh a bit short there, I’m sure he could comfortably fit into a mid table Championship side but I agree nobody’s paying big money for him. If we got £100-£150k for him plus getting his wage off the bill I think we’d go for that to bring in someone with a bit more strength.

[ianofcleveleys]

As with a lot of our players, he could be fine in a structure that suits him, with some strong, robust sorts around him. Someone like Swansea might have a sniff, given Joe Allen retired last week. He could even sprinkle a bit of craft into Preston's functional side. 

Just because he gets kicked out of it for us doesn't mean to say it'll happen everywhere else

[Wanderlust]

Even if we have a low or no budget for transfers, perhaps only based on income from sales, we have a fairly high salary bill so in theory, providing that our salary bill is more or less sustainable, some smart trading could revitalise our squad with the type of players Schuey wants.

I’m optimistic.

[Farrelli]

9 hours ago, ianofcleveleys said:

As with a lot of our players, he could be fine in a structure that suits him, with some strong, robust sorts around him. Someone like Swansea might have a sniff, given Joe Allen retired last week. He could even sprinkle a bit of craft into Preston's functional side. 

Just because he gets kicked out of it for us doesn't mean to say it'll happen everywhere else

Correct. Sheehan would easily prosper in a championship side with a good structure and other complementary players around him.  

[bwfc4ife]

1 minute ago, Farrelli said:

Correct. Sheehan would easily prosper in a championship side with a good structure and other complementary players around him.  

I totally disagree. He's hardly ripping it up here. I don't buy the arguement about getting kicked out of games because over 46 games you'd expect him to be hugely influential in at least 10 games a season. 

He massively flatters to deceive, he's comfortable on the ball yes but only when he's able to turn half way in his own half and pass it around at the back.

Going forward though, how many times this season has he played a defence splitting pass?

Add that to a total lack of physicality and shitting out of tackles and what are you left with?

[Farrelli]

3 minutes ago, bwfc4ife said:

I totally disagree. He's hardly ripping it up here. I don't buy the arguement about getting kicked out of games because over 46 games you'd expect him to be hugely influential in at least 10 games a season. 

He massively flatters to deceive, he's comfortable on the ball yes but only when he's able to turn half way in his own half and pass it around at the back.

Going forward though, how many times this season has he played a defence splitting pass?

Add that to a total lack of physicality and shitting out of tackles and what are you left with?

We all see it differently but watch him play for Wales and he is a totally different player.  He would easily step up to championship level. The evidence is right there. I’d love us to have more players who are that comfortable in possession. 

[gonzo]

Sheehan doesn't shit out of tackles by any stretch.

Agree he's not been at the races for a few months now but in a proper midfield with decent attack I think he's perfectly good enough for a team pushing for promotion. 

Finding a defence splitting pass is rather difficult when you've no strikers infront of you.

[tomski]

Schumacher seems to know what he wants. It’s actually all quite exciting. They seem to be all over what’s happening as opposed to the previous incumbent, who needed a few weeks to decide whether we were worthy of him. These few weeks seem vital in getting first dibs.

[deeane Koontz]

Sheehan could fit in easily in the Championship in the right side. It's got Swansea written all over it

[bwfc4ife]

23 minutes ago, deeane Koontz said:

Sheehan could fit in easily in the Championship in the right side. It's got Swansea written all over it

I hope so.

[ianofcleveleys]

54 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

We all see it differently but watch him play for Wales and he is a totally different player.  He would easily step up to championship level. The evidence is right there. I’d love us to have more players who are that comfortable in possession. 

He has handled himself perfectly well for Wales against better players than he comes across in L1, in a side where he has better players around him, under a manager who has some idea of how to set up a team to get the best out of them all

Edited May 7, 2025 by ianofcleveleys

[desperado]

46 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Sheehan doesn't shit out of tackles by any stretch.

Agree he's not been at the races for a few months now but in a proper midfield with decent attack I think he's perfectly good enough for a team pushing for promotion. 

Finding a defence splitting pass is rather difficult when you've no strikers infront of you.

I’ve been criticised for saying what our players need are other players around them who compliment them, not the usual clones they’ve become accustomed to.

I honestly think if Sheehan and Morley (with Thommo as either a back-up or first choice in some games) have a midfielder around them who’s a leader, has some experience and has a physical presence, it would be a more than adequate midfield to get us out of this division.

[mickbrown]

58 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Sheehan doesn't shit out of tackles by any stretch.

Agree he's not been at the races for a few months now but in a proper midfield with decent attack I think he's perfectly good enough for a team pushing for promotion. 

Finding a defence splitting pass is rather difficult when you've no strikers infront of you.

Exhibit A - and it cost us a goal

 

Edited May 7, 2025 by mickbrown

[gonzo]

11 minutes ago, mickbrown said:

Exhibit A - and it cost us a goal

 

I'll give you that one

 

....but for my own defence I was baked out my face on mushrooms in Amsterdam that night

[desperado]

11 minutes ago, mickbrown said:

Exhibit A - and it cost us a goal

 

I actually think on this occasion he’s trying to dink the ball over the lunging tackler, which if it would have come off, would have been a great bit of skill.

[mickbrown]

1 minute ago, gonzo said:

I'll give you that one

 

....but for my own defence I was baked out my face on mushrooms in Amsterdam that night

Ha! Well that’s entirely reasonable😁

[mickbrown]

16 minutes ago, desperado said:

I actually think on this occasion he’s trying to dink the ball over the lunging tackler, which if it would have come off, would have been a great bit of skill.

Possibly. I wasn’t quite that generous when watching it on the night 

[ianofcleveleys]

31 minutes ago, desperado said:

I’ve been criticised for saying what our players need are other players around them who compliment them, not the usual clones they’ve become accustomed to.

I honestly think if Sheehan and Morley (with Thommo as either a back-up or first choice in some games) have a midfielder around them who’s a leader, has some experience and has a physical presence, it would be a more than adequate midfield to get us out of this division.

The problem we have is we've way too many who'd be ok if they had this or that type around them,  though it's ok in my eyes for someone in Sheehan's sort of playmaker, unlocker of doors role to have that sort of framework and hod carrier around him. 

[ianofcleveleys]

2 minutes ago, mickbrown said:

Possibly. I wasn’t quite that generous when watching it on the night 

We've a few (too many) in our side whose preferred method is dinking rather than a full blooded tackle

[BeeversLeftPeg]

44 minutes ago, mickbrown said:

Exhibit A - and it cost us a goal

 

To counter that, Exhibit B - got us a goal

 

[Farrelli]

1 hour ago, mickbrown said:

Exhibit A - and it cost us a goal

 

It will take you longer to find a video of the rest of our midfield finding a white shirt from more than two yards away.