Keep Get Rid

[Johnnyrotten]

2 hours ago, Ani said:

Unless there is another Bradley knocking about I would be happy with JDC and Conway being our first choice full backs ( happy means would rather spend money/recruit elsewhere)

Centre halves - Forino as the big lad, Johnston and Forester as 3 centre halves, Toal if fit can fit in. But would like to see an older head in there , assume Santos and Jones are off. (Rob Holding anyone ?? Or Craig Dawson ? 29 and 35 respectively- I only really know ex Bolton players). Inwood potential but is he really big and strong enough yet ? 

Midfield - Morley is fine, Dempsey being described as Injury prone but played 80 games over the 2 seasons prior to this one, worth keeping IMO, Legohead, IMO ok as a squad player but certainly not captain. Sheehan gone stale think a move might suit him and us one of the few we could get a fee for. Tutu  - do not think he took a man on in last 3 months but does something no one else does, beat a man with pace. Need more in there as we all agree. Does not have to be the greatest player but a leader in there. Darren Pratley at 40 has had a better season than everyone in our midfield. SSA and Lawrence from young uns might have a role to provide cover. Maybe even need 2 in here. 
 

Up front big Dan nowhere near it and injured too much, Big Vic nowhere near it and injured till Xmas, Big Dave , looks raw probably needs to go out on loan imo not ready. Lolos never got going , Randall never looked like getting going but in last couple of games some very low level improvements. Collins really frustrating season in glimpses brilliant overall just not enough, McAtee similar but more frustrating and even less good stuff. Would not cry if either were sold. Everyone knows we need more here a big un and fast un. 

 

Hopefully based on age some of the young uns do not take up a squad place, but think at 21 Conway will ? 

 

Genuine question have you seen much of Conway playing?  We are all talking about getting some proper defensive nous and physicality (Iredale-type I suppose, still don't know how we just let him go given what replaced him), are we convinced Conway is that man?  If Schon or Murphy had gone to Crewe on loan instead of Conway would they have got player of season and we'd all be saying they are the answer?  I've no idea, just for discussion, he's obviously done well but Crewe finished 13th.  We finished 8th and nobody's suggesting our player of the season is ready for the step up to a higher division.

[Dr. Feelgood]

1 hour ago, Zico said:

Going to take some hit on Randall I'd have thought

Huge. If we did pay the rumoured £1m-£1.2m. I can see him remaining unused tbh.

[Johnnyrotten]

18 minutes ago, Dr. Feelgood said:

Huge. If we did pay the rumoured £1m-£1.2m. I can see him remaining unused tbh.

The only logical thing would be back to Peterboro either on loan for a much reduced fee, or no fee.  Even then his salary would be a problem (and not sure if he's burnt his bridges there).

His only other get out is probably if IE gets a (lower) L1 team.  I can see a few of the squad playing for IE in L2 but Randall wouldn't be one of them, he's better than that.

[Zico]

10 minutes ago, Johnnyrotten said:

The only logical thing would be back to Peterboro either on loan for a much reduced fee, or no fee.  Even then his salary would be a problem (and not sure if he's burnt his bridges there).

His only other get out is probably if IE gets a (lower) L1 team.  I can see a few of the squad playing for IE in L2 but Randall wouldn't be one of them, he's better than that.

what logical reason would Peterboro have for wanting him back?

it does just show what a disaster that last window was, letting him spend all that money on another #10 that we didn't need

[Ani]

21 minutes ago, Johnnyrotten said:

Genuine question have you seen much of Conway playing?  We are all talking about getting some proper defensive nous and physicality (Iredale-type I suppose, still don't know how we just let him go given what replaced him), are we convinced Conway is that man?  If Schon or Murphy had gone to Crewe on loan instead of Conway would they have got player of season and we'd all be saying they are the answer?  I've no idea, just for discussion, he's obviously done well but Crewe finished 13th.  We finished 8th and nobody's suggesting our player of the season is ready for the step up to a higher division.

No I have nt, it is a fair question but it more about being pragmatic.  Schon and Legohead can also cover there if we play a back 5.

As I said ‘happy’ in this case means I think other positions are higher priority, but a young lad getting players player of the season implies he must have the right attitude . I would take a risk at left back than use up a squad place and leave us short at centre half, central midfield and up front. 

[Dr. Feelgood]

I'll regret Dempsey going, not that we know all the details. He has been injury prone, but so have a good 6 or 8.

I assume Baxter & Santos are off. Baxter can stay for me, but as #2.

[Ani]

14 minutes ago, Dr. Feelgood said:

I'll regret Dempsey going, not that we know all the details. He has been injury prone, but so have a good 6 or 8.

I assume Baxter & Santos are off. Baxter can stay for me, but as #2.

And Jones.

Will wait to see the official list but in terms of attitude Dempsey would be near the bottom of the list to be moved on for me. 
 

Randall would be a surprise just because he was signed so recently.

Nothing on Bolton News and even Craig the Insider has not listed players. 

Edited May 6, 2025 by Ani

[Johnnyrotten]

20 minutes ago, Zico said:

what logical reason would Peterboro have for wanting him back?

it does just show what a disaster that last window was, letting him spend all that money on another #10 that we didn't need

Because he was a good player for them and they can make about £1mil "profit" from lending him to us for a few months.  

For all I know they wouldn't touch him with a barge poll, but he'll be playing football somewhere next season and wherever that is, there is no logical reason for it!  There was no logical reason for us signing Dan, Etete, Randall, etc etc.  

[Traf]

2 hours ago, gonzo said:

 

When I say apparently it's been banded about in what'sapp groups

By you, mainly.

[ianofcleveleys]

I'd imagine Posh and Randall is a book that's closed now, for all concerned, however much they've had us over with him. 

On Conway, it's about him being in the squad and challenging for / sometimes covering that position at first, then, who knows, playing himself into ownership of the shirt at some stage. I reckon he'd be capable of that and imagine SS might hope so too.

[gonzo]

4 minutes ago, Traf said:

By you, mainly.

Chopped his dick off la

[Wanderlust]

I think Randall was Markham’s parting gift. TBF he started off by spotting and recruiting some decent players for the level we were at, but around the time we got Dempsey (bargain IMO despite playing with a broken back when we needed him which has been his downfall) it went downhill and he had to go having foisted a fair bit of overhyped and/or overpriced dross on us especially towards the end.

I like the idea of using stats to identify players, but it has to be in addition to good old-fashioned traditional scouting IMO - some of them may have looked good on paper but they turned out to be bang average at best and everyone - including Evatt - knew it. Not sure how we’re identifying targets these days but I hope it involves the manager taking a far more active role in the process than Evatt appears to have done and not just a shortlist churned out by a computer.

[desperado]

4 hours ago, Stig said:

I thought AI was supposed to go off and trawl through multiple sources to pull a comprehensive answer back? That's about as detailed as me chatting about football in the pub "yeah a few of the same players were there"

Well unless it’s chatting bollocks, it confirmed what I wanted to know. 😂

That Derby, Plymouth and Ipswich used a core of players from the previous season together with a few knew signings, therefore dispelling the myth that you don’t necessarily have to completely gut the squad.

To be honest I didn’t have the time or inclination to start comparing and contrasting relative squads in minute detail. 

I mean there were countless links and info that went further down the page, but would anybody really be any more interested than the gist?

By all means go on and find It/post it.

But beware I’ve been criticised for posts being this long, never mind quoting/analysing/debating AI’s findings 😂

Edited May 6, 2025 by desperado

[Whitesince63]

Well whatever is being said on social media chat I’d be absolutely amazed if Randall was one of the ones who was going. I know he hasn’t lit any fires here but it’s hard to deny he’s a quality player and I don’t really think he’s had much of a chance to prove himself then but what do I know, it’s down to what Schu sees not us. Maybe he believes he can still get a decent fee for him, albeit nothing like we paid but money towards incomers.

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

2 hours ago, Johnnyrotten said:

Because he was a good player for them and they can make about £1mil "profit" from lending him to us for a few months.  

For all I know they wouldn't touch him with a barge poll, but he'll be playing football somewhere next season and wherever that is, there is no logical reason for it!  There was no logical reason for us signing Dan, Etete, Randall, etc etc.  

They had quite a big fall out and he's effectively persona non grata

[thebells]

I think the only info we’ll get from any ‘retained’ list is that Santos, Jones and Baxter are all going. And Murphy, Etete, Matete will all return to their parent clubs  

SS won’t publicly state which players are being told they can find elsewhere to ply their trade. Gut feel now is that Lolos, CMG, Dempsey and Nlundulu will be told to look elsewhere. Dempsey is the toughest and, whilst there’s an exaggeration of his injury troubles, we can’t escape his lack of contribution to the season. SS is keen to move on from the injury troubles and he’s quite symbolic of them this season  

I do wonder if SS may look to go more of a 4-3-3 next season. Collins insistence on drifting left may play into this, and I can see it may work to the benefit of Randall and McAtee playing off someone like Ennis. I just can’t see how any of Collins, McAtee, Randall can fit into a 4-4-2 system, so there’ll be an element of playing to the strengths of the squad we have. If, however, an offer came in for either Sheehan or Collins I think the club may cash in. 

Interesting that SS referenced Sarcevic and his multiple promotions this weekend. Probably gives some clues as to who might come in. 

Steven Fletcher (last 20 mins man) 

Lukas Jutkiewicz (last 20 mins man)

Kusini Yengi (Pompey currently deciding whether to exercise 12 months option)

Ben Osborn

Tom Barkhuizen

Barry Bannan

 

No knowledge on any of these. Just food for thought based on the ‘type’ and who is or may be available. 

[paulhanley]

2 hours ago, Whitesince63 said:

Well whatever is being said on social media chat I’d be absolutely amazed if Randall was one of the ones who was going. I know he hasn’t lit any fires here but it’s hard to deny he’s a quality player and I don’t really think he’s had much of a chance to prove himself then but what do I know, it’s down to what Schu sees not us. Maybe he believes he can still get a decent fee for him, albeit nothing like we paid but money towards incomers.

It would be a surprise if Randall left so soon. That's what makes me think Sheehan might be sold. At 29 it's now or never to make some money on him as a full Welsh international and I reckon we'd accept less than £500K. Maybe even half that.

[Johnnyrotten]

17 minutes ago, thebells said:

I think the only info we’ll get from any ‘retained’ list is that Santos, Jones and Baxter are all going. And Murphy, Etete, Matete will all return to their parent clubs  

SS won’t publicly state which players are being told they can find elsewhere to ply their trade. Gut feel now is that Lolos, CMG, Dempsey and Nlundulu will be told to look elsewhere. Dempsey is the toughest and, whilst there’s an exaggeration of his injury troubles, we can’t escape his lack of contribution to the season. SS is keen to move on from the injury troubles and he’s quite symbolic of them this season  

I do wonder if SS may look to go more of a 4-3-3 next season. Collins insistence on drifting left may play into this, and I can see it may work to the benefit of Randall and McAtee playing off someone like Ennis. I just can’t see how any of Collins, McAtee, Randall can fit into a 4-4-2 system, so there’ll be an element of playing to the strengths of the squad we have. If, however, an offer came in for either Sheehan or Collins I think the club may cash in. 

Interesting that SS referenced Sarcevic and his multiple promotions this weekend. Probably gives some clues as to who might come in. 

Steven Fletcher (last 20 mins man) 

Lukas Jutkiewicz (last 20 mins man)

Kusini Yengi (Pompey currently deciding whether to exercise 12 months option)

Ben Osborn

Tom Barkhuizen

Barry Bannan

 

No knowledge on any of these. Just food for thought based on the ‘type’ and who is or may be available. 

I'd take any of those on the face of it (with no knowledge of salary demands of fitness levels) but we won't be getting Juke back, he's just retired.

Edited May 6, 2025 by Johnnyrotten

[thebells]

Just now, Johnnyrotten said:

I'd take any of those on the face of it (with no knowledge of salary demands of fitness levels) but we won't be getting Juke, he's just retired.

Haha fair enough. I’ll cross him off my email to SS 😂

[Johnnyrotten]

9 minutes ago, paulhanley said:

It would be a surprise if Randall left so soon. That's what makes me think Sheehan might be sold. At 29 it's now or never to make some money on him as a full Welsh international and I reckon we'd accept less than £500K. Maybe even half that.

I think players are either in SS's plans or not, and if they aren't (even if they are good players but we just need to make room in the squad), I don't think we can be fussy about fees.  Its more about getting players out of the club that are under contract.  IMO nobody's paying anything like £500k for Sheehan, no L1 club is paying that amount for a 29 year old and he's not championship level IMO.  If we want rid, its on a virtual free especially if he's only got another year left (I'm guessing, haven't checked).

[Blondi]

Are there any nasty fookers available for our midfield? A Souness or Terry Hurlock type.

[thebells]

2 minutes ago, Johnnyrotten said:

I think players are either in SS's plans or not, and if they aren't (even if they are good players but we just need to make room in the squad), I don't think we can be fussy about fees.  Its more about getting players out of the club that are under contract.  IMO nobody's paying anything like £500k for Sheehan, no L1 club is paying that amount for a 29 year old and he's not championship level IMO.  If we want rid, its on a virtual free especially if he's only got another year left (I'm guessing, haven't checked).

Signed a new contract around Xmas that kicks in now. So he’ll have 2 more years. I think some lower champ clubs may offer money personally, but likely around the £250k mark. Question of whether SS wants to allocate his wages elsewhere. I know he’s not a hard man, and can go missing in some physical games, but he’s still an outstanding player at this level when utilised correctly (fully appreciate that won’t be universally agreed with).  

[Tonge moor green jacket]

46 minutes ago, thebells said:

I think the only info we’ll get from any ‘retained’ list is that Santos, Jones and Baxter are all going. And Murphy, Etete, Matete will all return to their parent clubs  

SS won’t publicly state which players are being told they can find elsewhere to ply their trade. Gut feel now is that Lolos, CMG, Dempsey and Nlundulu will be told to look elsewhere. Dempsey is the toughest and, whilst there’s an exaggeration of his injury troubles, we can’t escape his lack of contribution to the season. SS is keen to move on from the injury troubles and he’s quite symbolic of them this season  

I do wonder if SS may look to go more of a 4-3-3 next season. Collins insistence on drifting left may play into this, and I can see it may work to the benefit of Randall and McAtee playing off someone like Ennis. I just can’t see how any of Collins, McAtee, Randall can fit into a 4-4-2 system, so there’ll be an element of playing to the strengths of the squad we have. If, however, an offer came in for either Sheehan or Collins I think the club may cash in. 

Interesting that SS referenced Sarcevic and his multiple promotions this weekend. Probably gives some clues as to who might come in. 

Steven Fletcher (last 20 mins man) 

Lukas Jutkiewicz (last 20 mins man)

Kusini Yengi (Pompey currently deciding whether to exercise 12 months option)

Ben Osborn

Tom Barkhuizen

Barry Bannan

 

No knowledge on any of these. Just food for thought based on the ‘type’ and who is or may be available. 

SS was talking about playing with width and pace.

In a 4-3-3 you would imaging that means one striker and two others either side.

 

[thebells]

9 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

SS was talking about playing with width and pace.

In a 4-3-3 you would imaging that means one striker and two others either side.

 

Yeah I’m just speculating. And probably goes against what he’s said. Just trying to consider how he utilises the squad he has given the constraints of contracts etc. 

McAtee, Collins and Randall aren’t midfielders. But I can’t see that they’re front 2 players either (perhaps Collins at a push). 

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

3 minutes ago, thebells said:

Yeah I’m just speculating. And probably goes against what he’s said. Just trying to consider how he utilises the squad he has given the constraints of contracts etc. 

McAtee, Collins and Randall aren’t midfielders. But I can’t see that they’re front 2 players either (perhaps Collins at a push). 

Collins could play on the left of a front three for me

I don't think the other two could