Kane57 Posted September 2, 2013 Share Posted September 2, 2013 Kyle Bartley was one of ours. We got £1m from Arsenal for him. His mum is a dinner lady at a school where my uncle works. Fact. ITK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter only1swanny Posted September 2, 2013 Site Supporter Share Posted September 2, 2013 Lots of expenditure forfor little return though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leyther_Matt Posted September 2, 2013 Share Posted September 2, 2013 Sorry - I knew that when I first read it but lost the plot later. Injury did for him too, though. Paul Devlin wasn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Carlos Posted September 2, 2013 Moderators Share Posted September 2, 2013 they still developed in our academy though and he was willing to take players from it and put them in the squad/first team so it's not really neglecting it I meant neglecting as in we made no effort to develop kids, fine sticking players in who were in the reserves when he arrived. In the time he was here he could have built an academy that was churning out players, but he didn't bother, neither did Megson. Maybe Malcolm can provided the stats, I'd bet that in the last 10 years we've got somewhere near the lowest amount of players we've developed ourselves in the whole football league. For me, part of Fat Sam's legacy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MalcolmW Posted September 2, 2013 Share Posted September 2, 2013 Our Academy is in far better shape in the last couple of years. Comparisons further back just obscure this. We are not the top of the food chain - neither are we the bottom - hence taking Hendrie from Bradford City, for example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kane57 Posted September 2, 2013 Share Posted September 2, 2013 I meant neglecting as in we made no effort to develop kids, fine sticking players in who were in the reserves when he arrived. In the time he was here he could have built an academy that was churning out players, but he didn't bother, neither did Megson. Maybe Malcolm can provided the stats, I'd bet that in the last 10 years we've got somewhere near the lowest amount of players we've developed ourselves in the whole football league. For me, part of Fat Sam's legacy. and the improvement that you'll see over the next decade will be in part thanks to Coyle's work improving the academy infrastructure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eavesy Posted September 2, 2013 Share Posted September 2, 2013 We are a victim of having something to play for every year (Europe or survival) - no chance to play kids Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MalcolmW Posted September 2, 2013 Share Posted September 2, 2013 Paul Devlin wasn't it? Don't know - but it was definitely a Sheff United player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kane57 Posted September 2, 2013 Share Posted September 2, 2013 We are a victim of having something to play for every year (Europe or survival) - no chance to play kids Same goes for all clubs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eavesy Posted September 2, 2013 Share Posted September 2, 2013 Same goes for all clubs Not with 5 games to go every season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jules_darby Posted September 2, 2013 Share Posted September 2, 2013 We got £1m from Arsenal for him. His mum is a dinner lady at a school where my uncle works. Fact. ITK He went to the same school as Gumbo, the Marples and I Anyway I'm pretty sure Moses Hightower and Larvell Jones came through the Academy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EyesRight Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 Gareth Bale came within one match of being dumped by Southampton at 16. If he had been he might now be in Cardiff's squad. Or not. Phil Jones wasn't even offered a youth team deal at Blackburn at 15 and was released (despite captaining England school boys, I think), a long term injury to a right winger and they offered him a youth team deal for one year, FACT. Pot luck at a young age and we have never been lucky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted September 3, 2013 Moderators Share Posted September 3, 2013 while we've not been guilty of letting much go that has gone on to achieve much i suppose we have to accept the kids coming in might think twice about joininga club where lads don't generally make the first team there has to be a chance that it's down to coaching so maybe you think twice or maybe it is just that united/city get first dibs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted September 3, 2013 Moderators Share Posted September 3, 2013 while we've not been guilty of letting much go that has gone on to achieve much i suppose we have to accept the kids coming in might think twice about joininga club where lads don't generally make the first team there has to be a chance that it's down to coaching so maybe you think twice or maybe it is just that united/city get first dibs that's pretty much it from what I understand/know about it gartside has been looking at ways to uncover youth talent but not via the normal channels as they constantly lose out to other clubs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HR Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 Who runs the Academy, Jimmy Phillips or LSL? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank_spencer Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 Who runs the Academy, Jimmy Phillips or LSL? Sammy Lee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghana White Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 We should be in a position to give kids a chance that they wouldn't get if they go to big spending city and United. My dad was a teacher for years and I got dragged to watch loads of lads from his school play for United, Liverpool, Everton reserves etc but not one of them made it. The only one who ever did was mark winstanley who's dad told him not to bother with the big clubs but make a lower league career where he'd get a chance to play. There must be something left in this angle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exiledwhite2 Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 while we've not been guilty of letting much go that has gone on to achieve much i suppose we have to accept the kids coming in might think twice about joininga club where lads don't generally make the first team there has to be a chance that it's down to coaching so maybe you think twice or maybe it is just that united/city get first dibs Very much so and I think they have a look at more players than ever (at younger ages too) nowadays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COYW Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 How do Crewe manage to develop so much talent? They're not even as big as us, let alone Utd and City. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank_spencer Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 How do Crewe manage to develop so much talent? They're not even as big as us, let alone Utd and City. Because they've a reputation for it so attract players that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COYW Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 Because they've a reputation for it so attract players that way. But we had a reputation for developing our own players in the 70's and 80's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Carlos Posted September 3, 2013 Moderators Share Posted September 3, 2013 Aye, we developed some fucking crackers in the 80s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COYW Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 You're missing the point. We had a reputation for giving young players who had come through our youth system a chance. It didn't help us to attract the likes of Paul Moulden, who played for Bolton Lads Club and went on to play for City. So how is it that Crewe were able to attract the likes of David Platt, Rob Jones, Geoff Thomas, etc. at that time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghana White Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 Dario Gradi? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traf Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 So how is it that Crewe were able to attract the likes of David Platt, Rob Jones, Geoff Thomas, etc. at that time? Catchment area. no "big" clubs nearby (Stoke & Port Vale weren't big) Best youth set up in the area, hence a growing reputation. etc etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.