Casino Posted August 27, 2014 Posted August 27, 2014 Which is what Gartside said about Prem 2, the financial security to actually challenge and not be wary about a 75% fall in turnover which makes him a #cunt Quote
HR Posted August 27, 2014 Posted August 27, 2014 Chairmen must love the introduction of FFP. It can be rolled out by any club as an excuse for poor financial planning and mismanagement. How much parachute money are Derby, Middlesbrough and Forest going to get this season? In 18 months we've gone from cock waving our money around to having less spending power than most of the division. Quote
Casino Posted August 27, 2014 Posted August 27, 2014 How much parachute money are Derby, Middlesbrough and Forest going to get this season? In 18 months we've gone from cock waving our money around to having less spending power than most of the division. our no parachute income is lower than much of the division certainly less than derby and forest - not sure about boro and we don't sell players so we can't spend its how the rules have been written Quote
ex_midlandwhite Posted August 27, 2014 Posted August 27, 2014 Why didn't Derby and Middlesboro use their parachute money to go back up previously? Surely that would have been the best thing to do? Forest is the interesting one as they seem to be the one pushing the bounds of FFP, maybe they will be the proof it is unenforceable or they may come a cropper, who knows Quote
frank_spencer Posted August 27, 2014 Posted August 27, 2014 Not forgetting derby are owned by Disney (in a round about way admittedly) And all 3 have jad a few years of restructuring and rebuilding from top to bottom Quote
The Wanderer Posted August 27, 2014 Posted August 27, 2014 The whole point of a loan deal is to send your player out to improve him. Why the fuck would any team loan us a player. Or any half decent player or player with potential want to come here and play under that twat. Quote
burnden Posted August 27, 2014 Posted August 27, 2014 http://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/11433710.Bolton_Wanderers_boss_Dougie_Freedman_insists_new_blood_is_needed/ Bogdan,Spearing and Davies going? Quote
Casino Posted August 27, 2014 Posted August 27, 2014 Why didn't Derby and Middlesboro use their parachute money to go back up previously? Surely that would have been the best thing to do? Forest is the interesting one as they seem to be the one pushing the bounds of FFP, maybe they will be the proof it is unenforceable or they may come a cropper, who knows forset get 20 odd thou, dont they and sold a couple to pay for purchases cant they also turn losses into shares or something? which edwin could do, if he so wanted Quote
Casino Posted August 27, 2014 Posted August 27, 2014 The whole point of a loan deal is to send your player out to improve him. Why the fuck would any team loan us a player. Or any half decent player or player with potential want to come here and play under that twat. except mason, dawson and juke you mean? Quote
ex_midlandwhite Posted August 27, 2014 Posted August 27, 2014 forset get 20 odd thou, dont they and sold a couple to pay for purchases cant they also turn losses into shares or something? which edwin could do, if he so wanted Yeah he can put £2m equity in this season I think (think it decreases each year). They definitely far out do us on the income, especially with the sales. The press still seem to report they are close to the boundaries though. Quote
tylswhite Posted August 27, 2014 Posted August 27, 2014 (edited) Yeah he can put £2m equity in this season I think (think it decreases each year). They definitely far out do us on the income, especially with the sales. The press still seem to report they are close to the boundaries though. I think its £3million this year and £2million next isn't it? Either way its not much. I think I remember that we are looking at an £8 million loss all in at the most or we get fined if we go over that. I assume paying Dougie off would count on our losses for this year as well so its very doubtful that we will get rid imo. Edited August 27, 2014 by tylswhite Quote
ex_midlandwhite Posted August 27, 2014 Posted August 27, 2014 I think its £3million this year and £2million next isn't it? Either way its not much. I think I remember that we are looking at an £8 million loss all in at the most or we get fined if we go over that. I assume paying Dougie off would count on our losses for this year as well so its very doubtful that we will get rid imo. It might well be £3m this year, I couldn't remember if that was last. The punishment is only a fine on promotion. Otherwise it is a transfer embargo starting in January. This is what Rovers are looking at based on the link in the other thread. What is not yet clear is whether the fine goes to charity or is split between the FFP compliant clubs - I think QPR may be due a fine, but again I am not sure Quote
mickbrown Posted August 27, 2014 Posted August 27, 2014 http://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/11433710.Bolton_Wanderers_boss_Dougie_Freedman_insists_new_blood_is_needed/ Bogdan,Spearing and Davies going? We don't need new blood. We need a new heart. Quote
Guest Posted August 27, 2014 Posted August 27, 2014 http://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/11433710.Bolton_Wanderers_boss_Dougie_Freedman_insists_new_blood_is_needed/ Bogdan,Spearing and Davies going? Of course we need new blood. Not players, though Quote
Guest Blixa Posted August 27, 2014 Posted August 27, 2014 http://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/11433710.Bolton_Wanderers_boss_Dougie_Freedman_insists_new_blood_is_needed/ Bogdan,Spearing and Davies going? That article says no offers for any of them. It's all steam and piss to get the click rates up on the BN website. No one will touch Davies right now, Bogdan a possible as he could be a bargain for, someone, Spearing if the price is right. Quote
Seabiscuit Posted August 27, 2014 Posted August 27, 2014 We don't need new blood. We need a new heart.And some enthusiasm from the owner about the football team he bought Quote
tyldesley_white Posted August 27, 2014 Posted August 27, 2014 And some enthusiasm from the owner about the football team he bought If it was not for his enthusiasm we would not have a club Quote
Casino Posted August 27, 2014 Posted August 27, 2014 And some enthusiasm from the owner about the football team he bought you are one cheeky fcuker and/or ignorant THE RULES DONT LET HIM DO WHAT SOME WANT US TO Quote
deane koontz Posted August 27, 2014 Posted August 27, 2014 Worth a punt ? http://www.sunderlandecho.com/news/local/all-news/ex-sunderland-star-julio-arca-in-action-for-sunday-league-pub-team-1-6802951 Quote
Horwich Posted August 27, 2014 Posted August 27, 2014 Are these clubs not spending money on new players? Quote
tylswhite Posted August 27, 2014 Posted August 27, 2014 It might well be £3m this year, I couldn't remember if that was last. The punishment is only a fine on promotion. Otherwise it is a transfer embargo starting in January. This is what Rovers are looking at based on the link in the other thread. What is not yet clear is whether the fine goes to charity or is split between the FFP compliant clubs - I think QPR may be due a fine, but again I am not sure The articles ive read on it seem a bit sketchy and it seems that some clubs might challenge it in the courts should they get fined. I would be interested to see a detailed breakdown of where our money is going though. I know that wont happen but somebody must be having a fucking laugh if all our budget has been spunked. Theres money management issues above Dougie's head that aren't exactly helping him in his job. Quote
Casino Posted August 27, 2014 Posted August 27, 2014 our income is about 6 million, i think and thats everything, gates, corporate, bog rolls the lot humour me that bogdan, beckford, mills, spearing and wheater are on a combined 60 a week ( i think i'm being conservative) thats half our money gone another dozen on 5k a week and tahts the rest Quote
Casino Posted August 27, 2014 Posted August 27, 2014 Are these clubs not spending money on new players? which clubs? Quote
tylswhite Posted August 27, 2014 Posted August 27, 2014 our income is about 6 million, i think and thats everything, gates, corporate, bog rolls the lot humour me that bogdan, beckford, mills, spearing and wheater are on a combined 60 a week ( i think i'm being conservative) thats half our money gone another dozen on 5k a week and tahts the rest Weve got 8 million over the top of that as well before we get fined I think which I the board will have to put in as I cant see us coming out a break even after such big losses last year. Mind you them you are being conservative on are probably on a lot more than 60 combined so most of that will be gone too I guess. Our top earners in that list there aren't exactly living up to their billing are they? I bet Mark Davies is on a few quid as well. That's not a bad spine to the team for this league if we could get them playing though. Its judging the line where them being shit and the manager not getting the best from them is then I suppose. Its a tough fucking gig really and Dougie is struggling. Its not certain if we bin him that the next guy will do much better either even though im leaning towards time to go. If we sack Dougie its going to eat into the budget going forward as well I suppose so waiting this season out and trying to just stay up (fuck me that sounds awful) might be our best option in the long term. I cant see a short term fix for us at all. We have blown our best ticket back up with Coyle and that was the short term fix option imo. Quote
Casino Posted August 27, 2014 Posted August 27, 2014 (edited) and our running costs go way beyond first team squad wages our income actually includes the hotel which made a significant loss too Edited August 27, 2014 by Casino Quote
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