Right - forgetting the bent bidding process and the conditions of the migrant workers building the stadiums - does anybody else agree that a Nov/Dec competition has the potential to be ace?

 

Firstly because it will take up most of the traditional Christmas bullshit season so we'll all be talking about football and not festivities. Secondly just for the novelty factor. And thirdly because we can see whether or not our well worn excuse about our players being tired stands up to scrutiny.

On 10/12/2022 at 16:28, Zico said:

Bolty 

Not been on here since being away for a few days. Had to watch the games on catch up - binge watched in the early hours of this morning after getting back late last night. Knew the results TBF but still had chin on chest at some moments. Kane's miss, Neymars goal, animosity at Argentina v Netherlands game, Brazil out, England out. Morocco!

Been catching up on the latest gossip too. Southgate has unfinished business? FFS, I was hoping that he would fuck off and take some of the FA shithouses with him. If Kane scored the second penalty I reckon England would probably have won as I think the French heads would have gone down.

The Argies getting some shit but I don't see anybody pointing out that to be 2-0 up and blow it like that and yet still have the mental strength and dogged determination to prevail? I wouldn't be writing them off just yet.

Hoping for an Argentina v France final for financial reasons as other than Brazil (sad loss to the colour and excitement of the whole thing) that is where my punting money went. The local TAB let me on France at 12.63 which I still can't believe for the reigning champions!

After the group stage, these knockout stages start me off on withdrawal symptoms which usually reach their peak after the final is played. Not this year.

On 10/12/2022 at 18:40, London Wanderer said:

Tried this one yet @bolty58? 🏳️‍🌈

Delicious

 

I think you might be the next one.

8 minutes ago, Jol_BWFC said:

You really are blinkered. We lost in the Euro final on penalties and you’re passing it off as a nothing achievement. I’m not wasting my energy on this level of gammon.

Gammon 😂😂😂

On 11/12/2022 at 06:37, royal white said:

We don’t have that killer instinct, that ruthlessness and arrogance that other teams have. There’s numerous tournaments we could and should have won but we bottle it. Same old story 

 

* Get Jose in 

Spot on. Not totally focused either. Need to ditch all this peripheral shit and concentrate on the football. Southgate out.

Great performance, second pen goes in and I think the French may have bottled it. As it is, same old, same old. When I go to finals tournaments I buy an England 5 match package (will probably change for US with more teams in it). However many tickets will include the quarter final and then if they get through, worry about it then.

First good team we play and we lose. Played nothing before France but some folk get carried away. Seen it over and over again.

23 hours ago, Burndens Bogs said:

Hand on heart can you honestly say England haven’t made progress under Southgate?

Progress J? Reached later stages of tournaments, you can't deny. If that, and winning in the virtue signalling stakes is enough for some people then fair enough. Not me. Where is the silverware?

Get rid and take all of the virtue signalling with you. Heads should roll at the FA too. Football first and football only.

13 hours ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

The decision to replace Saka with Sterling still has me scratching my head.

Southgate's mates. One of his biggest failings.

7 hours ago, Zico said:

Just remembered that GS got us relegated to Nations League B 

 

...and blew the European Championship final by negativity at 1-0 up, putting kids up for penalties.

An FA indoctrinated stooge. They can't handle managers with opinions which is why Cloughie was always overlooked.

5 hours ago, DazBob said:

Spot on, but the site 'tards will just look at the result. Some will also say Jose would've led us to a 1-0 victory.

The site " 'tards" are the ones who got carried away when we were beating nothing. The same ones who want St. Gareth to stay and blame everything  - referees or whatever on yet another crushing loss. Some of us have been watching these since 1970 and are used to them.

Jose may well have led us to a 1-0 victory. Who knows? Bollocks and backbone - something which the current encumbent proved he didn't have way back in 1996.

4 hours ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Sacking Southgate ain’t stopping us taking the knee. 

Bad. The problem is at the FA. Needs a clear out.

4 hours ago, gonzo said:

Seems to be a strong correlation between brexit bummers and anti southgaters

...or between remoaners and virtue signallers.

1 hour ago, ZiggyStardust said:

In the last 5 World cups, England have beaten:

Paraguay.

Trinidad & Tobago

Ecuador

Slovenia

Tunisia

Panama

Sweden

Columbia (Pens)

Iran

Wales

Senegal

 

And lost to

Portugal (Pens)

Germany

Italy

Uruguay

Belgium

Croatia 

Belgium

France

 

Flat track Bullies, no matter who is the manager.

Absolutely nailed it.

8 minutes ago, bolty58 said:

Absolutely nailed it.

The FA have always wanted yes men, safe hands and are now intent on concentrating on woke agendas and virtue signalling none sense, it’s no wonder any decent team we play normally ends up beating us when it really matters…. Coming home again gallant losers but clear winners of the woke and virtue signalling world championship. What a shit show. 

Edited December 11, 20223 yr by Mounts Kipper

4 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

The FA have always wanted yes men, safe hands and are now intent on concentrating on woke agendas and virtue signalling none sense, it’s no wonder any decent team we play normally ends up beating us when it really matters…. Coming home again gallant losers but clear winners of the woke and virtue signalling world championship. What a shit show. 

It was predicted. We need to get some 'junkyard dog' into us (apologies for the Australianism). We are far too fucking nice.

Let's just get one thing straight 

Us taking the knee, Germany putting their hands over their mouths didn't have any effect on the outcome of their results whatsoever, If you think it did, you really are a thicko

Do the gammons on here want Evatt out for encouraging our players to take the knee btw?

Jose is, like most of the people on here, very much yesterday's man

1 hour ago, ZiggyStardust said:

In the last 5 World cups, England have beaten:

Paraguay.

Trinidad & Tobago

Ecuador

Slovenia

Tunisia

Panama

Sweden

Columbia (Pens)

Iran

Wales

Senegal

 

And lost to

Portugal (Pens)

Germany

Italy

Uruguay

Belgium

Croatia 

Belgium

France

 

Flat track Bullies, no matter who is the manager.

A very insightful post and I certainly agree that for some time we have struggled too much against big teams. But as you point out, that’s an issue every England team / manager has had over those tournaments. When you look at the 5 WC you mentioned and add in the euros between them:

Pre Southgate

1998 WC - last 16

2000 Euro - group stage

2002 WC - QF

2004 Euro - QF

2006 WC - QF

2008 Euro - didn’t qualify

2010 WC - last 16

2012 Euro - QF

2014 WC - group stage

2016 Euro - last 16

Southgate 

2018 - semi-finals

2020 - finalists

2022 - QF (lost to current world champions).

As has been pointed out above, the last three tournaments show a clear progression from those before them.

Throw in that the 2020 / 2022 squad are young and should improve and that they clearly want to play for him, I think it’s madness to think anything other than sticking with him is the right way to go.

6 hours ago, Jol_BWFC said:

A very insightful post and I certainly agree that for some time we have struggled too much against big teams. But as you point out, that’s an issue every England team / manager has had over those tournaments. When you look at the 5 WC you mentioned and add in the euros between them:

Pre Southgate

1998 WC - last 16

2000 Euro - group stage

2002 WC - QF

2004 Euro - QF

2006 WC - QF

2008 Euro - didn’t qualify

2010 WC - last 16

2012 Euro - QF

2014 WC - group stage

2016 Euro - last 16

Southgate 

2018 - semi-finals

2020 - finalists

2022 - QF (lost to current world champions).

As has been pointed out above, the last three tournaments show a clear progression from those before them.

Throw in that the 2020 / 2022 squad are young and should improve and that they clearly want to play for him, I think it’s madness to think anything other than sticking with him is the right way to go.

The problem with the exit stage as a metric is similar to managerial win percentage in that both are meaningless without context.

2014 and 2016 were clearly horror shows and Southgate took over at pretty much England's lowest ebb, however it's undenial that the routes to the latter stages in 2018 and 2020 were, on paper, really quite easy and significantly easier than in many of the tournaments in previous years.

As strange as it might seem, I think Southgate's success with England is not actually found in how deep we got into tournamrnts under his management.

7 hours ago, bolty58 said:

It was predicted. We need to get some 'junkyard dog' into us (apologies for the Australianism). We are far too fucking nice.

Tis the season for slow cooked Gammon.

Delightful little run of posts from the sites non dom resident idiot.

So big games are only big games if we are playing so called big teams?

Are we saying success in Italia 90 was a myth?

And we only beat the Dutch in 96? So that was crap too?

 

Personally I'd like to see Southgate potted,he is to cautious and dull which seems to rub off on the team

But I can't think of a top manager who would take the job because the pressure they would be under from the word go is unrealistic 

Yes a lot of managers would take the job because of the money involved but would they be a improvement I don't know 

19 minutes ago, gonzo said:

So big games are only big games if we are playing so called big teams?

Are we saying success in Italia 90 was a myth?

And we only beat the Dutch in 96? So that was crap too?

 

The other thing is 

Denmark in the semis 

"You'd expect to win that" 

So basically, we're always losing the "big" games that perhaps we're not expected to anyway 

I think 

7 hours ago, Jol_BWFC said:

A very insightful post and I certainly agree that for some time we have struggled too much against big teams. But as you point out, that’s an issue every England team / manager has had over those tournaments. When you look at the 5 WC you mentioned and add in the euros between them:

Pre Southgate

1998 WC - last 16

2000 Euro - group stage

2002 WC - QF

2004 Euro - QF

2006 WC - QF

2008 Euro - didn’t qualify

2010 WC - last 16

2012 Euro - QF

2014 WC - group stage

2016 Euro - last 16

Southgate 

2018 - semi-finals

2020 - finalists

2022 - QF (lost to current world champions).

As has been pointed out above, the last three tournaments show a clear progression from those before them.

Throw in that the 2020 / 2022 squad are young and should improve and that they clearly want to play for him, I think it’s madness to think anything other than sticking with him is the right way to go.

He’s done what every other manager has done in recent years for us. Beat the teams we are expected to beat and lost against the ones everyone expected to be tougher. We need that manager who can fix that second part.  

1 minute ago, Zico said:

The other thing is 

Denmark in the semis 

"You'd expect to win that" 

So basically, we're always losing the "big" games that perhaps we're not expected to anyway 

I think 

So you wouldn’t expect us beat Denmark….at home? 

8 hours ago, L/H White said:

Do the gammons on here want Evatt out for encouraging our players to take the knee btw?

Some do.

6 minutes ago, Zico said:

The other thing is 

Denmark in the semis 

"You'd expect to win that" 

So basically, we're always losing the "big" games that perhaps we're not expected to anyway 

I think 

Denmark have, at least, won something more recently than we have.