is that it now game over no chance of POTUS

 

Rayguns out

Want it the Dunblane shooting which caused the UK gun ban so happened pre ban?

It was and the gun lobby in this country fought against any restrictions. Hamilton was ill, deranged etc etc

 

It worked here, it worked in Oz. No reason why it can't work in the US. Their current policy of just arming more folk is working an absolute treat

Anybody who can’t see a correlation between shit loads of guns and shit loads of people getting shot by guns is deluded. Or a fuckwit. Or a deluded fuckwit.

It was and the gun lobby in this country fought against any restrictions. Hamilton was ill, deranged etc etc

 

It worked here, it worked in Oz. No reason why it can't work in the US. Their current policy of just arming more folk is working an absolute treat

Anyone who thinks it’s ok to go shooting up a school has some kind of illness/deranged

Anyone who thinks it’s ok to go shooting up a school has some kind of illness/deranged

Aye, and it'd be a pisser if they had access to guns too, eh.

Want it the Dunblane shooting which caused the UK gun ban so happened pre ban?

 

I had no idea but think it's been answered above.

 

What changed, exactly?  I don't remember folk carrying pistols in their purses like they do in the US.

Anyone who thinks it’s ok to go shooting up a school has some kind of illness/deranged

When it's cheaper to go buy a gun and a fuck load of bullets than a supply of meds and psychological help it shows how screwed america is

 

 

Shoot them both?

Shoot them both?

This is murica so the answer is surely shoot the black one?

Probably not but neither has any other PoUS.

 

I'm not even sure banning guns would stop these kind of tragedies, look at Dunblane or that nutter in Norway.

 

They'd find a way I'm sure. 

 

banning guns isn't going to happen

 

but restrictions surely must, and whilst they won't stop tragedies like this, they would surely reduce them

 

restrictions like:

 

- the age at which you can buy a gun

- the background checks carried out when you buy a gun

- the type and amount of guns you can buy

 

the above may have prevented this last school shooting, and many others, plus ones like Vegas where he had 24 guns and was able to kill 58 people and injure 800+ in just 10 minutes

 

the fact you point out incidents that happened 22 and 7 years ago shows that in countries where there are tight gun controls means mass shootings are isolated incidents and not regular occurrences

 

it's fucking madness to keep selling them so freely 

 

not sure what looking at the social state of communities and the backgrounds of these people would do to help the situations when anyone can buy a gun and anyone can then do what they want with it. plus it'd take ages to carry out such research and I would have imagine there'd be no actionable outcomes that would stop these things from happening

 

Well.... C already happens, along with the shooter (if he's still breathing) not being allowed to play with anyone ever again.

 

What some are suggesting is option D, take all the sticks off all the children including the ones who were playing respectfully with them, which is why most gun-supporting Americans have issues with it.

 

For the records, I believe that there should be licensing and tests for firearms (just like there are for cars), potentially with recurring licensing fees and re-tests on a yearly basis, and a LONG waiting time after buying before you receive the weapon. I would also have people who have just bought a gun to have ALL their communication monitored for a year, at least.

You yesterday when you mentioned the wall?

 

You did put a smiley face after it though so I'll let you off :-)

If you drop the '-' from your attempted smiley face it actually creates a proper smiley face. You can even add a capital D for happier one.

 

 

Top tips bought to you by the gonch.

Edited February 24, 20188 yr by gonzo

If you drop the '-' from your attempted smiley face it actually creates a proper smiley face. You can even add a capital D for happier one.

 

 

Top tips bought to you by the gonch.

Jesus Christ - let me have a go!

banning guns isn't going to happen

 

but restrictions surely must, and whilst they won't stop tragedies like this, they would surely reduce them

 

restrictions like:

 

- the age at which you can buy a gun

- the background checks carried out when you buy a gun

- the type and amount of guns you can buy

 

the above may have prevented this last school shooting, and many others, plus ones like Vegas where he had 24 guns and was able to kill 58 people and injure 800+ in just 10 minutes

 

the fact you point out incidents that happened 22 and 7 years ago shows that in countries where there are tight gun controls means mass shootings are isolated incidents and not regular occurrences

 

it's fucking madness to keep selling them so freely 

 

not sure what looking at the social state of communities and the backgrounds of these people would do to help the situations when anyone can buy a gun and anyone can then do what they want with it. plus it'd take ages to carry out such research and I would have imagine there'd be no actionable outcomes that would stop these things from happening

 

I don't disagree about restrictions, have said that before.  Snoop makes a good point about that.

 

I also said it couldn't hurt to ban them.  

 

I mentioned those as the UK and Norway aren't exactly known for gun crime yet mass shootings occurred anyway i.e. In a country so awash with gun fever, and a seemingly increasing sub-culture of mentalist mass shootings, would banning them really stop such nutters?   I don't think so.  i.e. take away the stick and they'll find another tree. 

 

My point about communities was more a look at the culture itself.  Yes it would take a long time but I think a change in outlook from the bottom up is what's actually needed long term.  You can't do that unless you understand the mentality of such a culture and the people in it.  Whether it would work is debatable - look at how we have changed the mentality of many football fans in the last 30 years.  You could say it is an unfair comparison, and yes, sure; but my point is that with a concerted effort you can change a culture's outlook and values.  By simply shouting BAN BAN BAN at these people you make them dig in deeper.

I don't disagree about restrictions, have said that before.  Snoop makes a good point about that.

 

I also said it couldn't hurt to ban them.  

 

I mentioned those as the UK and Norway aren't exactly known for gun crime yet mass shootings occurred anyway i.e. In a country so awash with gun fever, and a seemingly increasing sub-culture of mentalist mass shootings, would banning them really stop such nutters?   I don't think so.  i.e. take away the stick and they'll find another tree. 

 

What are you saying here? That if you take away their guns, they'll make their own?

What are you saying here? That if you take away their guns, they'll make their own?

Take away their guns and they will find another one?

Take away their guns and they will find another one?

 

Where?

Black market? Across the border in Mexico? (Unless that wall is up)

Black market? Across the border in Mexico? (Unless that wall is up)

 

Mass civilian shootings are generally carried out by an adult with severe mental problems who 'snaps' one day, or a socially awkward teenager with aspergers who's sick of being bullied. Not a gangster with a direct line to an international arms dealer.

Edited February 24, 20188 yr by Cheese

Black market? Across the border in Mexico? (Unless that wall is up)

That might happen - but not in most cases. The majority of the time it's easy access + being bonkers + some sort of trigger that sends people over the edge. If you had to drive to Mexico or make contact with the black market before you went on a spree - I'm pretty sure most people would either calm down/get caught/change their mind/find help before they went through with anything. Don't you think?

not getting into a debate about who kills and when, cheese asked where they could get weapons, the answer is they would easily be able to get them, whether it be for a planned attack in a weeks time or to go and kill someone later that day, I doubt it would be hard for them to get their paws on a weapon.

 

Or they might just go to the local shop and buy some heavy duty knives and start stabbing folk

Or they might just go to the local shop and buy some heavy duty knives and start stabbing folk

Which is exactly what we want isn't it? That way the copper with the gun can shoot them dead while everybody else has a very good chance of running away.

not getting into a debate about who kills and when, cheese asked where they could get weapons, the answer is they would easily be able to get them, whether it be for a planned attack in a weeks time or to go and kill someone later that day, I doubt it would be hard for them to get their paws on a weapon.

 

Or they might just go to the local shop and buy some heavy duty knives and start stabbing folk

 

Or use a truck/van.

 

Anyone who thinks they couldn't get guns even if a ban came in is deluded.

 

From what I gather most of these shootings aren't 'off the cuff' they are planned and prepared for.  'Falling Down' scenarios are less common I'd say?!

Let's not bother arming our military with guns any more then. Just give them knives and trucks. Apparently they're just as efficient when used as weapons, and it will save a fortune.

Or use a truck/van.

 

Anyone who thinks they couldn't get guns even if a ban came in is deluded.

 

From what I gather most of these shootings aren't 'off the cuff' they are planned and prepared for.  'Falling Down' scenarios are less common I'd say?!

 

So if all these teenage school shooters hadn't had such free access to guns, they would have gone to Mexico or 'the black market' to get them? Is that really what you're suggesting?