18 minutes ago, Johnnyrotten said:

If Forrester was right back why would JDC need to replace one of our midfielders (that we have loads of)?

He wouldn’t but SS seems to like JDC and Duberry overlapping down the wing so there would have to be a compromise somewhere if he played them AND wanted the security of someone covering behind. Could be as simple as a tweak.

Just now, Wanderlust said:

He wouldn’t but SS seems to like JDC and Duberry overlapping down the wing so there would have to be a compromise somewhere if he played them AND wanted the security of someone covering behind. Could be as simple as a tweak.

If the role of JDC in the current system, when attacking, is mainly to provide overlapping runs, Forrester is more than capable of that.  And arguably stronger defensively and better in the air for defending or attacking set pieces.  I'm not saying I want Forrester right back as he's a CB, but its not like Cogley's doing much that Forrester couldn't. 

1 minute ago, Johnnyrotten said:

If the role of JDC in the current system, when attacking, is mainly to provide overlapping runs, Forrester is more than capable of that.  And arguably stronger defensively and better in the air for defending or attacking set pieces.  I'm not saying I want Forrester right back as he's a CB, but its not like Cogley's doing much that Forrester couldn't. 

Baffles me sometimes that people see such different qualities in players. 

I don't think Forrester would have it about him to be overlapping a cutting in winger and making attacking contributions in forward areas. In fact, I'm not certain I've ever even seen Forrester in possession of the ball over the half way line, nothing about his game tells me he could manage that role. 

He's a head it, body on the line, old fashioned centre half that's a bit undersized. 

24 minutes ago, bwfc6ix said:

Is Desmond not the back up right back?

That fills me with dread and I'd be surprised if SS hasn't brought someone in who can genuinely play the position by the end of the month. Desmond shouldn't be allowed to be in our half with the ball, never mind part of the last line of defence

7 minutes ago, meanderson93 said:

Baffles me sometimes that people see such different qualities in players. 

I don't think Forrester would have it about him to be overlapping a cutting in winger and making attacking contributions in forward areas. In fact, I'm not certain I've ever even seen Forrester in possession of the ball over the half way line, nothing about his game tells me he could manage that role. 

He's a head it, body on the line, old fashioned centre half that's a bit undersized. 

If Forrester would have been playing on Sunday, i dont think we would have concede the 2nd goal, as Whooton was Cogleys man, which i dont understand as he is miles smaller. Perhaps near the end we didnt have enough tall lads to mark  all their big cunts!

48 minutes ago, meanderson93 said:

Baffles me sometimes that people see such different qualities in players. 

I don't think Forrester would have it about him to be overlapping a cutting in winger and making attacking contributions in forward areas. In fact, I'm not certain I've ever even seen Forrester in possession of the ball over the half way line, nothing about his game tells me he could manage that role. 

He's a head it, body on the line, old fashioned centre half that's a bit undersized. 

I don't see him personally as that type of player, as you say he's a good old fashioned CB.  But the point was made by the Sky commentator and @Wanderlust that Duberry can't get the space to do his thing without the overlapping runs JDC provided.  So I was just suggesting that Forrester can do all of that and more (defensively), if being the actual winger that crosses or dribbles isn't part of the role.  WF isn't a fish out of the water in those areas, he's not a Santos or Forinho, he's definitely got a bit more subtlety about him and can pick a pass/make as space as well as JDC for me.

But I'd rather we signed an actual right back. 

53 minutes ago, meanderson93 said:

Baffles me sometimes that people see such different qualities in players. 

I don't think Forrester would have it about him to be overlapping a cutting in winger and making attacking contributions in forward areas. In fact, I'm not certain I've ever even seen Forrester in possession of the ball over the half way line, nothing about his game tells me he could manage that role. 

He's a head it, body on the line, old fashioned centre half that's a bit undersized. 

Spot on. Forrester will often look good when he plays, particularly in a game where the team is under the cosh, for these exact reasons. He isn't, and never likely to be, a progressive player who carries the ball. He's more certainly not a right back, and unlikely to be a feature in an SS team that wants to play at the top end of the division.

I think Schon or CMG will go (possibly both based on SS statement today about bringing another winger in) and I can see Forrester also leaving. With Forino, Johnston, Toal and Taylor, we're fairly well stocked for a team playing 4 at the back (with Inwood pushing too). Struggling to see where Forrester fits. Good player at this level, but not the right fit for this team (and wasn't really for an Evatt team). 

Forrester isn't a right back for me, in anything other than an emergency, but (it's all opinions!) he's a better defender than he gets credit for and, in my eyes as good as Johnston for sure. 

We put very few decent defensive performances in last season but he featured in most of them, e.g Wycombe (a), Barnsley (a), Wigan (a), Wrexham (a), Huddersfield (a)

1 hour ago, woolli said:

If Forrester would have been playing on Sunday, i dont think we would have concede the 2nd goal, as Whooton was Cogleys man, which i dont understand as he is miles smaller. Perhaps near the end we didnt have enough tall lads to mark  all their big cunts!

Agree, got a soft spot for the lad, decent on the ball and is an aggressive centre half, as in he throws his body/head/bollocks into a tackle. I like that (as a former centre half). We're in D3 not La Liga and sometimes (every game) we need some "controlled", in your face, fxxx you, attitude aggression)

 

20 minutes ago, ianofcleveleys said:

Forrester isn't a right back for me, in anything other than an emergency, but (it's all opinions!) he's a better defender than he gets credit for and, in my eyes as good as Johnston for sure. 

We put very few decent defensive performances in last season but he featured in most of them, e.g Wycombe (a), Barnsley (a), Wigan (a), Wrexham (a), Huddersfield (a)

I would also prefer a specialist right back. However, fitness aside, if Cogley was unavailable: Forrester or Tutu?

7 minutes ago, Rival Son said:

I would also prefer a specialist right back. However, fitness aside, if Cogley was unavailable: Forrester or Tutu?

Forrester, every day of the week

7 hours ago, gonzo said:

I wonder if Conway could be utilised further forward at some point given his driving forward prowess.

Must admit I'm quiet surprised Taylor seems to be moulded into a full back given his size.

Was wondering precisely this.

Is there a wide midfielder, or even a box to box type in there?

Seems to have an eye for goal, and isn't averse to getting forward. 

6 hours ago, onefinfrandsen said:

Reminds me a bit of a young jimmy phillips

With a better touch!

5 hours ago, TrickyTrotter said:

I thought he has traits of Marcus Alonso. Hopefully a better driver.

Aye.

2 hours ago, Johnnyrotten said:

IMO he'll get replaced when Taylor is fit and will be in the squad as back up.  If Taylor or the LCB goes off for any reason, Conway will be the replacement (with Taylor moving to LCB if needed).  Taylor hasn't come here to be on the bench most weeks, Conway's time will come either here or elsewhere but not yet.

That may have been the case originally, but he has already shown his abilities- most see him as playing as well as anyone and deserving of a new contract. 

SS says he's one of our own and deserves to play- and has improved with some advice. 

Taylor may not have come to be on the bench, but why should someone else be who seems to be proving themselves capable. 

If we're going to be a selling club, then he needs a new contract quickly, and a decent length.

He won't be sent out on loan neither, according to SS.

He may let Inwood go out on loan now, with Taylor being able to play centrally, or who knows, take the opportunity to cash in on a centre half, and raise some money. 

4 hours ago, Johnnyrotten said:

IMO he'll get replaced when Taylor is fit and will be in the squad as back up.  If Taylor or the LCB goes off for any reason, Conway will be the replacement (with Taylor moving to LCB if needed).  Taylor hasn't come here to be on the bench most weeks, Conway's time will come either here or elsewhere but not yet.

 

We've signed what, 10 players so far? 12/13 by the end of the window? And they're exclusively all from this level, below or similar. Nobody needs to have been guaranteed a place to get them here.

I'm sure Taylor expects to play, I'm sure 20 of them do. If he's better than Conway he'll start more often, if he's not he won't. That he's recently signed won't make any difference.

10 hours ago, Whitesince63 said:

Strange how we all think Taylor would be best suited in the middle yet despite Conways excellent contributions SS still considers Taylor the left back. Neither Toal nor Forino look comfortable at left centre back so Taylor would be the obvious pick for me too but it’s what Schu thinks that counts.

I think Taylor would be the best bet at centre-half, even though I've never seen him play.
I base this on the fact that I've seen all our other centre-halves play.

47 minutes ago, Tombwfc said:

 

We've signed what, 10 players so far? 12/13 by the end of the window? And they're exclusively all from this level, below or similar. Nobody needs to have been guaranteed a place to get them here.

I'm sure Taylor expects to play, I'm sure 20 of them do. If he's better than Conway he'll start more often, if he's not he won't. That he's recently signed won't make any difference.

We'll see...I'm just calling it on what I think will happen, it doesn't mean I agree with it.  I'm sticking with Taylor will be our left back when fit, assuming we don't have a CB shortage.  Whether or not he's better than Conway isn't black & white, we've all watched our CBs for a year or 2 and nobody on here can agree on who's better!  Forrester, Johnston, Toal, Forino - who's better?  Some will prefer Taylor, some Conway.

I think its 9 signings isn't it?  Broome and Warren won't be starting many.

That leaves TSL, Erhahon, Gale, Duberry, Simons, Taylor and Dalby.

I'd expect them all to start when fit most times - not saying they're undroppable or there will be no rotation, but if we're talking first choice, they are in that bracket.  Dalby may get rotated if we end up with Kenny or someone similar, but SS really rates him and he's desperate for him to be in the team.  But even when rested, he'll come on as sub most likely, forwards usually get 20 minutes plus, unlike left backs.

So IMO yes I think 80% of them have come here to start games most weeks and IEs players will get their chances to play amongst them, rarely instead of them.

25 minutes ago, Johnnyrotten said:

We'll see...I'm just calling it on what I think will happen, it doesn't mean I agree with it.  I'm sticking with Taylor will be our left back when fit, assuming we don't have a CB shortage.  Whether or not he's better than Conway isn't black & white, we've all watched our CBs for a year or 2 and nobody on here can agree on who's better!  Forrester, Johnston, Toal, Forino - who's better?  Some will prefer Taylor, some Conway.

I think its 9 signings isn't it?  Broome and Warren won't be starting many.

That leaves TSL, Erhahon, Gale, Duberry, Simons, Taylor and Dalby.

I'd expect them all to start when fit most times - not saying they're undroppable or there will be no rotation, but if we're talking first choice, they are in that bracket.  Dalby may get rotated if we end up with Kenny or someone similar, but SS really rates him and he's desperate for him to be in the team.  But even when rested, he'll come on as sub most likely, forwards usually get 20 minutes plus, unlike left backs.

So IMO yes I think 80% of them have come here to start games most weeks and IEs players will get their chances to play amongst them, rarely instead of them.

 

Fair enough. Time will tell. I think the temptation at this time of year is to assume all the new signings will be exactly as advertised and be better than the players who were already here. But rarely does it work out like that. In fact I'd say it never works out like that. Some will get injured, some won't be as good as lads already here and some just won't work out at all (and be deemed fucking shite). After the first game of last season it was a relatively common opinion that Scott Arfield had a key role to play.

Of the players you've mentioned - adding Burstow + the new winger and striker SS wants - only TSL isn't going to have serious competition for his place. I think it's very much up in the air who will emerge as first choice as the season progresses. If it turns out we've signed half a dozen top tier L1 players in one window it would be borderline miraculous.

In the case of Taylor, he's had two seasons playing in the SPL and prior to that was not far off semi-pro level. The balance of power is him fighting for a place to show he belongs at the level we want to be, not us delivering him first team football.

5 hours ago, Johnnyrotten said:

If the role of JDC in the current system, when attacking, is mainly to provide overlapping runs, Forrester is more than capable of that.  And arguably stronger defensively and better in the air for defending or attacking set pieces.  I'm not saying I want Forrester right back as he's a CB, but its not like Cogley's doing much that Forrester couldn't. 

Put it this way - if I wanted to build a solid back four and the choice for RB was between a CH and a WB I’d be going for the CH all day long.

4 hours ago, Traf said:

I think Taylor would be the best bet at centre-half, even though I've never seen him play.
I base this on the fact that I've seen all our other centre-halves play.

Tickled me this 

Nixon saying we are back in for Ahadme 

So we’ve been waiting to sign the “right profile” whilst SS has been stressing he wants a different type to the others wanting some pace in behind for us to still land on a lamp post? F me. 

14 minutes ago, 1969 said:

Nixon saying we are back in for Ahadme 

If he is right we must have brought our previous failures of recruitment team back. Markham part 2

Maybe someone is leaving (macatee), can’t see Ahadme being the finisher we are after.

1 minute ago, onefinfrandsen said:

Maybe someone is leaving (macatee), can’t see Ahadme being the finisher we are after.

Based on his career so far he isn’t the finisher we are looking for; we don’t have one.

Seems people have not woken up to the fact that every signing we have done this close season are players who have shown glimpses of promise elsewhere and are not the finished player.

The management team wont come out with it, but these players are more for the future than now.

We are signing potential and tying them down to long contracts to develop them and sell on, not sure promotion is a priority.