Politics

[Spider]

5 minutes ago, paulhanley said:

Can you please concisely explain how you can be sovereign when you do not control your own immigration, agriculture, trade and fishing policies? And pay billions each year for the privilege of not doing so?

When you choose to do so.

We have now chosen not to do so.

Concise enough, or too patronising? (You DO know what patronising means?)

Edited December 12, 2020 by Spider

[Spider]

Also, reading one publication is unlikely to give you a balanced view.

Picking a country entirely at random - I’m going with North Korea here - if you stick with one news outlet, you will eventually become aligned with it if your mind isn’t strong enough to look beyond its borders.

Just saying like

[Guest]

14 minutes ago, paulhanley said:

Can you please concisely explain how you can be sovereign when you do not control your own immigration, agriculture, trade and fishing policies? And pay billions each year for the privilege of not doing so?

It is possible; if you choose to pool an amount of sovereignty, for the good of the nation, for reasons of, for example,  national security.

It is clear the EU project was not intentioned that way.

Edited December 12, 2020 by boltondiver

[Guest]

1 minute ago, Spider said:

Also, reading one publication is unlikely to give you a balanced view.

Picking a country entirely at random - I’m going with North Korea here - if you stick with one news outlet, you will eventually become aligned with it if your mind isn’t strong enough to look beyond its borders.

Just saying like

Me?

[Spider]

Just now, boltondiver said:

Me?

No

Paul Hangry

[paulhanley]

6 minutes ago, Spider said:

When you choose to do so.

We have now chosen not to do so.

Concise enough, or too patronising? (You DO know what patronising means?)

We have chosen to no longer hand over control of our laws, borders, swathes of our economy, our fishing grounds and our agriculture. Quite right. And on January 1, 2020 those things will actioned. 

If you're down to arguing over the dictionary definition of sovereignty then I think you should just join the rest of us and start looking forward to an exciting new future for this country.

[paulhanley]

5 minutes ago, Spider said:

No

Paul Hangry

I'm glad you  believe you know the media consumption habits of someone you've never met. You are very fond of judging people. My profession means I watch the BBC and read the Guardian, the Times, the Telegraph and many other publications each day. Sorry to burst your bubble.

But then us swivel-eyed racist thick leave voters aren't supposed to do things like that are we?

Maybe I should think up a playground nickname for you. But then that would be terribly childish.

 

[Spider]

1 minute ago, paulhanley said:

I'm glad you  believe you know the media consumption habits of someone you've never met. You are very fond of judging people. My profession means I watch the BBC and read the Guardian, the Times, the Telegraph and many other publications each day. Sorry to burst your bubble.

But then us swivel-eyed racist thick leave voters aren't supposed to do things like that are we?

Maybe I should think up a playground nickname for you. But then that would be terribly childish.

 

Clam down luv. You’re a joy everywhere but Brexit.

I’m simply pointing put that we’ve always been sovereign.

You’re extremely condescending when there’s no need, so I’m meeting fire with fire.

By definition, our membership of the EU was a sovereign choice. Brexit means our sovereign choice is to leave the EU.

We have always been sovereign.

You can thank me now, as the saying goes.

 

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, Spider said:

Clam down luv. You’re a joy everywhere but Brexit.

I’m simply pointing put that we’ve always been sovereign.

You’re extremely condescending when there’s no need, so I’m meeting fire with fire.

By definition, our membership of the EU was a sovereign choice. Brexit means our sovereign choice is to leave the EU.

We have always been sovereign.

You can thank me now, as the saying goes.

 

Do you even know what condescending means?

😆

[Spider]

Just now, boltondiver said:

Do you even know what condescending means?

😆

😁😁😁

Not a clue. Saw it in a Dostoevsky novel and liked the sound of it

[mickbrown]

25 minutes ago, Spider said:

Also, reading one publication is unlikely to give you a balanced view.

Picking a country entirely at random - I’m going with North Korea here - if you stick with one news outlet, you will eventually become aligned with it if your mind isn’t strong enough to look beyond its borders.

Just saying like

Aye because the Telegraph has always been a non biased, well balanced publication.

[paulhanley]

4 minutes ago, Spider said:

Clam down luv. You’re a joy everywhere but Brexit.

I’m simply pointing put that we’ve always been sovereign.

You’re extremely condescending when there’s no need, so I’m meeting fire with fire.

By definition, our membership of the EU was a sovereign choice. Brexit means our sovereign choice is to leave the EU.

We have always been sovereign.

You can thank me now, as the saying goes.

 

Our membership of the EEC was a sovereign choice. Nobody told us about all the nonsense that was to follow with the incremental creep of their law in to our own laws and customs as the EEC became the EU and the full extent of the "project" gradually emerged. Politicians with views as divergent as Margaret Thatcher, David Owen and Tony Benn had begun to smell something bad about this in the 1980s - and sovereignty was often the word on their lips too.

Anyway, its pointless. You know exactly what I mean. We are gaining control of our laws, borders, fishing grounds, trade/economy and agriculture. I call that gaining full control of our own sovereignty. If you want to choose a different set of words to describe it, grand. The facts remain the same.

[Spider]

2 minutes ago, paulhanley said:

Our membership of the EEC was a sovereign choice. Nobody told us about all the nonsense that was to follow with the incremental creep of their law in to our own laws and customs as the EEC became the EU and the full extent of the "project" gradually emerged. Politicians with views as divergent as Margaret Thatcher, David Owen and Tony Benn had begun to smell something bad about this in the 1980s - and sovereignty was often the word on their lips too.

Anyway, its pointless. You know exactly what I mean. We are gaining control of our laws, borders, fishing grounds, trade/economy and agriculture. I call that gaining full control of our own sovereignty. If you want to choose a different set of words to describe it, grand. The facts remain the same.

Ignore me

Im just upset because my deliveries from the EU have been cancelled and we’re 99% certain to lay off 16 good workers in time for xmas.

If you’re not too busy, maybe you can explain the sovereignty advantages to them. You’ll need running shoes or a suit of armour though.

Edited December 12, 2020 by Spider

[Winchester White]

Our sovereign right to make ourselves poorer. All headed by a load of rich fuckers who can happily ride out the storm whilst the rest of us take it on the chin.

[Youri McAnespie]

The Fall were shite an' all...

We're going to get bummed.

Spitfires, fish n chips, vinegar, fucking albino gorilla PM.

[Youri McAnespie]

8 minutes ago, Winchester White said:

Our sovereign right to make ourselves poorer. All headed by a load of rich fuckers who can happily ride out the storm whilst the rest of us take it on the chin.

Hedge fund cunts will prosper. Cunts at our expense.

[Mounts Kipper]

Just listened to trade expert, he reckons the fishing will be sorted, the level playing field being the sticking point however he felt this shouldn’t be the case because in normal trade deals any conflict is dealt with by an independent conflict resolution tribunal, however the EU are pushing for the ECJ to be the body in charge of resolution which of course is ridiculous position to take, let’s hope the EU see sense and change this position If not then it will be not be a surprise if there is no deal. 

Edited December 12, 2020 by Mounts Kipper

[Farrelli]

1 hour ago, boltondiver said:

Go on then; in what way “stronger”?

 

- Economically (single market)

- Environmentally (they have driven improved air/water/land quality effectively across borders)

- Security (cross country co-ordination to fight crime/terrorism)

- Travel (easier and safer travel throughout the EU)

- Freedom (ability to live and work or retire anywhere in EU).

- Greater global influence (the EU has far more influence than the UK alone).

- EU funded research (80 EUR billion between 2014 and 2020).

 

[Guest]

11 minutes ago, Winchester White said:

Our sovereign right to make ourselves poorer. All headed by a load of rich fuckers who can happily ride out the storm whilst the rest of us take it on the chin.

Are we definitely going to be poorer? 

[Mounts Kipper]

2 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

 

- Economically (single market)

- Environmentally (they have driven improved air/water/land quality effectively across borders)

- Security (cross country co-ordination to fight crime/terrorism)

- Travel (easier and safer travel throughout the EU)

- Freedom (ability to live and work or retire anywhere in EU).

- Greater global influence (the EU has far more influence than the UK alone).

- EU funded research (80 EUR billion between 2014 and 2020).

 

You’ve swallowed some bullshit. 

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

 

- Economically (single market)

- Environmentally (they have driven improved air/water/land quality effectively across borders)

- Security (cross country co-ordination to fight crime/terrorism)

- Travel (easier and safer travel throughout the EU)

- Freedom (ability to live and work or retire anywhere in EU).

- Greater global influence (the EU has far more influence than the UK alone).

- EU funded research (80 EUR billion between 2014 and 2020).

 

Much of that can’t be included as “stronger”, which I’m sure you know.

And, others we don’t yet know if they are “better”

I will acknowledge what many Brits enjoyed and saw as a main benefit of being in the EU; travel and living anywhere across the EU.

Edited December 12, 2020 by boltondiver

[Escobarp]

1 minute ago, Mounts Kipper said:

You’ve swallowed some bullshit. 

Not often I agree with much fartelli says but some of that is correct tbf 

[Mounts Kipper]

2 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

Not often I agree with much fartelli says but some of that is correct tbf 

When you throw a bucket of shit at the wall some will stick. 

[Spider]

7 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Just listened to trade expert, he reckons the fishing will be sorted, the level playing field being the sticking point however he felt this shouldn’t be the case because in normal trade deals any conflict is dealt with by an independent conflict resolution tribunal, however the EU are pushing for the ECJ to be the body in charge of resolution which of course is ridiculous position to take, let’s hope the EU see sense and change this position If not then it will be not be a surprise if there is no deal. 

You will be surprised if there’s no deal because you’ve been telling us for 4 years that it’s nailed on

[Youri McAnespie]

Fishing - fuck mop apart from cans of tuna or cod and chips, maybe tinned salmon.. we're buggered -better in and cause havoc - the septics couldn't give less of a fuck - ditto the chinks and russians. We're fucked.