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[Sweep]

8 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

I've always said it will work out fine for us economically.

Eventually I've no doubt it will, the problem I think people have its how long that might take.

If you were to guess, do you reckon a month, a year, a decade... 25 years maybe?

Personally, I'd have thought it'll take up to around ten to fifteen years, and as I've stated before, that just doesn't suit what I want, as I'm only concerned about myself. The decision is made though, and I'll just have to get on with it though, no matter what is (or isn't) agreed.

Edited December 12, 2020 by Sweep

[Farrelli]

44 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

Much of that can’t be included as “stronger”, which I’m sure you know.

And, others we don’t yet know if they are “better”

I will acknowledge what many Brits enjoyed and saw as a main benefit of being in the EU; travel and living anywhere across the EU.

Hand on heart you know we are going to be economically weaker outside the EU. How long for is the only question to ask and that is in the hands of the negotiators.

[Sweep]

5 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

I think we will.

I'd agree if it wasn't Boris leading this from our side

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

Hand on heart you know we are going to be economically weaker outside the EU. How long for is the only question to ask and that is in the hands of the negotiators.

Weaker? I don’t know if that is the right word.

The economy might be smaller for a while, but, I expect will be larger in the long term.

 

[Guest]

5 minutes ago, Sweep said:

Eventually I've no doubt it will, the problem I think people have its how long that might take.

If you were to guess, do you reckon a month, a year, a decade... 25 years maybe?

Personally, I'd have thought it'll take up to around ten to fifteen years, and as I've stated before, that just doesn't suit what I want, as I'm only concerned about myself. The decision is made though, and I'll just have to get on with it though, no matter what is (or isn't) agreed.

Happy to guess

its only my view, but 2/3 years.

it will be difficult to tell with the pandemic.

[Escobarp]

None of us know what will happen short medium or long term. And until we know what if any deal we have then we know even less. Some think it will benefit us some don’t. Whatever happens it’s all going to be down to what we make of it. That simple really 

[Guest]

11 minutes ago, Spider said:

When?

Asking for my kids.

How are pensions actually performing right now? This is your area and probably a reasonable barometer of what to expect? (I still need to sort mine by the way!!!)

See above.

Pensions?

By and large, they are about where they were pre-pandemic.

 

[Guest]

Just now, Escobarp said:

None of us know what will happen short medium or long term. And until we know what if any deal we have then we know even less. Some think it will benefit us some don’t. Whatever happens it’s all going to be down to what we make of it. That simple really 

Correct

[jules_darby]

16 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

Correct

In what way. It means absolutely nothing 🤣🤣

You could make the same statement about absolutely anything 

[Guest]

1 minute ago, jules_darby said:

In what way. It means absolutely nothing 🤣🤣

You could make the same statement about absolutely anything 

Life is more about what we do, what we make of it, how we respond to circumstances.

Self evident, but not all live from there.

[jules_darby]

Just now, boltondiver said:

Life is more about what we do, what we make of it, how we respond to circumstances.

Self evident, but not all live from there.

Great mantra, but that doesn’t eradicate the fact that we want to be reacting from the best possible place

Otherwise you are essentially saying any decision of that nature is irrelevant 

You don’t think that as you’ve been a staunch brexiteer 

Hence at some point you believed it mattered 

Til now you know it’s gonna leave us in a worse place and this type of philosophy comes out 🤣🤣

[gonzo]

Youve just got to hope after the nightmare of this year people are eager to spend spend spend to buy the economy out of jail when the shit starts to hit the fan.

 

 

[Escobarp]

15 minutes ago, jules_darby said:

In what way. It means absolutely nothing 🤣🤣

You could make the same statement about absolutely anything 

You’re right you could. It’s how I’ve lived my life so far. I don’t know what’s round the corner. But I’m sure if I give it my all I will make the best of it I could obviously with a bit of luck chucked in. 
 

 

 

[jmjhb]

2 hours ago, paulhanley said:

We have chosen to no longer hand over control of our laws, borders, swathes of our economy, our fishing grounds and our agriculture. Quite right. And on January 1, 2020 those things will actioned. 

If you're down to arguing over the dictionary definition of sovereignty then I think you should just join the rest of us and start looking forward to an exciting new future for this country.

 

[jules_darby]

6 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

You’re right you could. It’s how I’ve lived my life so far. I don’t know what’s round the corner. But I’m sure if I give it my all I will make the best of it I could obviously with a bit of luck chucked in. 
 

 

 

Spot on

Big fan of concentrating on controlling the controllables

But it ain’t a good excuse for this shitshow of a Brexit 😁

 

 

[Guest]

11 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

You’re right you could. It’s how I’ve lived my life so far. I don’t know what’s round the corner. But I’m sure if I give it my all I will make the best of it I could obviously with a bit of luck chucked in. 
 

 

 

the luck of birth; being born in Britain

[Escobarp]

7 minutes ago, jules_darby said:

Spot on

Big fan of concentrating on controlling the controllables

But it ain’t a good excuse for this shitshow of a Brexit 😁

 

 

No excuses here mate. It isn’t what I voted for if we leave with no deal I’ve said that. 
 

it has been handled poorly by both sides. Both will in the short term as a minimum suffer overall as well. 

[Spider]

35 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

No excuses here mate. It isn’t what I voted for if we leave with no deal I’ve said that. 
 

it has been handled poorly by both sides. Both will in the short term as a minimum suffer overall as well. 

It’s taken 4 years, but I reckon this post sums the whole thing up.

👍👍👍

[miamiwhite]

25 minutes ago, Spider said:

It’s taken 4 years, but I reckon this post sums the whole thing up.

👍👍👍

Yes....it's been handled poorly by BOTH sides 🙂 

[Farrelli]

2 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

He keeps going on about environmental stuff.

Much of this heavily involved uk input to create. However other nations' interests conflicted - they've just agreed more emissions reductions which involve yet more money to Poland by means of compensation for the effect on their coal industry. 

From what I understand, we already have higher standards in some cases than the EU, and now we're out are forging ahead with other schemes.

Not once has he recognised that the UK is a leader (not perfect) in this area, but instead suggests its the EU that keeps us in line and stops us regressing. 

We all know that membership has benefits, however it has down sides- and he typically never acknowledges it.

 

You need to look at the history, going back to the 70s we were the dirty man of europe.  We have the EU to thank for strong legislation (yes we have more than played our part) but they have driven it.

 Water

The UK changed its approach to sewage treatment and nitrate emissions following the bathing water directive of the EU. As a result, the quality of beaches and bathing water has vastly improved. This is not only a great thing for those who enjoy a trip to the beach, but also for economies in seaside towns, as tourists are more likely to visit cleaner beaches. And when booking a holiday anywhere in Europe, the blue flag system guarantees that the beach will be clean, wherever it is.

Air Quality

In 1975, when we joined the EU, Britain’s sulphur dioxide emissions were some 5 million tonnes a year. The EU’s Air Quality Framework Directive called on all member countries to take action, and now we enjoy air with reduced sulphur dioxide emissions, at only 0.31 million tonnes a year.

Habitats

We’ve signed up to Europe-wide rules about providing protective areas for wildlife. Promoting natural ecosystems brings many benefits, including acting as a natural flood defence, reducing CO₂ emissions and helping pollination, as well as providing food, water and materials useful to us. Before EU policy, these sites were being lost at a rate of 15% a year. Now, this has fallen to just 1%.

[Escobarp]

54 minutes ago, Spider said:

It’s taken 4 years, but I reckon this post sums the whole thing up.

👍👍👍

You’ve got hope that both sides figures this suits nobody but a minority and figure this out. Got to be a way 

[Ani]

1 hour ago, Escobarp said:

No excuses here mate. It isn’t what I voted for if we leave with no deal I’ve said that. 
 

it has been handled poorly by both sides. Both will in the short term as a minimum suffer overall as well. 

 

45 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

You’ve got hope that both sides figures this suits nobody but a minority and figure this out. Got to be a way 

For the first time I am thinking no deal is a possibility. 
 

Whatever the outcome we have to make the best of it. The sky won’t fall in and we won’t emerge into a golden economic period purely on the back of the outcome. 
 

Realistically deal or no deal there will be period of disruption and uncertainty. After that we can not spend forever blaming every bad bit of news on Brexit or claiming every good is as a result of leaving. There will be a multitude of others factors that also impact. 
 

Personally I think we betting a lot for not a massive potential upside. For others they think the non economic benefits are worth it alone. Again we will never really know. 

[Nowack]

5 hours ago, boltondiver said:

A bit outlined here

https://www.newstatesman.com/culture/books/2019/09/life-beyond-brexit

I'm slightly confused, have you read three circles into one?

[Escobarp]

10 minutes ago, Ani said:

 

For the first time I am thinking no deal is a possibility. 
 

Whatever the outcome we have to make the best of it. The sky won’t fall in and we won’t emerge into a golden economic period purely on the back of the outcome. 
 

Realistically deal or no deal there will be period of disruption and uncertainty. After that we can not spend forever blaming every bad bit of news on Brexit or claiming every good is as a result of leaving. There will be a multitude of others factors that also impact. 
 

Personally I think we betting a lot for not a massive potential upside. For others they think the non economic benefits are worth it alone. Again we will never really know. 

If we get a deal then any disruption will be minimal and for me it’s very much all about the upside. No deal and I’m yet to be convinced but I’m looking at it very selfishly currently and how it may impact me work wise. Too many unknowns 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

1 hour ago, Farrelli said:

You need to look at the history, going back to the 70s we were the dirty man of europe.  We have the EU to thank for strong legislation (yes we have more than played our part) but they have driven it.

 Water

The UK changed its approach to sewage treatment and nitrate emissions following the bathing water directive of the EU. As a result, the quality of beaches and bathing water has vastly improved. This is not only a great thing for those who enjoy a trip to the beach, but also for economies in seaside towns, as tourists are more likely to visit cleaner beaches. And when booking a holiday anywhere in Europe, the blue flag system guarantees that the beach will be clean, wherever it is.

Air Quality

In 1975, when we joined the EU, Britain’s sulphur dioxide emissions were some 5 million tonnes a year. The EU’s Air Quality Framework Directive called on all member countries to take action, and now we enjoy air with reduced sulphur dioxide emissions, at only 0.31 million tonnes a year.

Habitats

We’ve signed up to Europe-wide rules about providing protective areas for wildlife. Promoting natural ecosystems brings many benefits, including acting as a natural flood defence, reducing CO₂ emissions and helping pollination, as well as providing food, water and materials useful to us. Before EU policy, these sites were being lost at a rate of 15% a year. Now, this has fallen to just 1%.

All missing the point. The UK was influential in creating these schemes within the EU. Is that so difficult to grasp? Who is they- everyone else bar us?

Totally myopic view.

The whole world is increasingly aware of environmental responsibilities, you make it sound as though we would have ignored it had we not been in.

Are non EU countries in Europe automatically huge polluters because on non membership?

Why will we automatically drop back once we've left?

You have absolutely no evidence for this, indeed evidence to the contrary is there for all to see.

Just choose to look with an eye shut.

 

Edited December 12, 2020 by Tonge moor green jacket