Politics

[Farrelli]

10 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

All missing the point. The UK was influential in creating these schemes within the EU. Is that so difficult to grasp? Who is they- everyone else bar us?

Totally myopic view.

The whole world is increasingly aware of environmental responsibilities, you make it sound as though we would have ignored it had we not been in.

Are non EU countries in Europe automatically huge polluters because on non membership?

Why will we automatically drop back once we've left?

You have absolutely no evidence for this, indeed evidence to the contrary is there for all to see.

Just choose to look with an eye shut.

 

Utter nonsense, our record before joining the EU was appalling. We didn’t suddenly become environmental pioneers overnight we were dragged there by the EU framework of directives. If I’ve got one eye shut you must have Stevie Wonders eyes.

[Guest]

33 minutes ago, Nowack said:

I'm slightly confused, have you read three circles into one?

no

In his new book Waldegrave confesses that instead of campaigning during the referendum with Heath, his mentor and early political hero, he drove off with three friends to Shiraz in Iran. Why did he abstain? It turns out that the schoolboy Waldegrave had actually read the Treaty of Rome, and realised from the outset the significance of its aspiration towards “an ever closer union among the European peoples”. The European Economic Community (EEC) was not just a common market; it was a full-blown political project. Therefore, Waldegrave reckoned at the 1975 referendum, it was dishonest to deny the claims of Tony Benn and Enoch Powell that EEC membership entailed a loss of sovereignty.

[Ani]

10 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

Utter nonsense, our record before joining the EU was appalling. We didn’t suddenly become environmental pioneers overnight we were dragged there by the EU framework of directives. If I’ve got one eye shut you must have Stevie Wonders eyes.

We have more colour tellies in the Uk than we had in the 70s. 

[Guest]

11 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

Utter nonsense, our record before joining the EU was appalling. We didn’t suddenly become environmental pioneers overnight we were dragged there by the EU framework of directives. If I’ve got one eye shut you must have Stevie Wonders eyes.

fast and loose with facts and history

[Boby Brno]

14 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

Utter nonsense, our record before joining the EU was appalling. We didn’t suddenly become environmental pioneers overnight we were dragged there by the EU framework of directives. If I’ve got one eye shut you must have Stevie Wonders eyes.

https://amp.economist.com/open-future/2019/11/22/climate-freedom-and-denial-what-green-thatcherism-teaches-us-today
 

Thatcher thus became the first prominent political leader to warn the world about the danger of climate change, and to outline a strategy to deal with it. The timing of her speech, as communism was crumbling, was no coincidence: she cast climate change as the successor menace to socialism and nuclear annihilation.

[Nowack]

4 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

no

In his new book Waldegrave confesses that instead of campaigning during the referendum with Heath, his mentor and early political hero, he drove off with three friends to Shiraz in Iran. Why did he abstain? It turns out that the schoolboy Waldegrave had actually read the Treaty of Rome, and realised from the outset the significance of its aspiration towards “an ever closer union among the European peoples”. The European Economic Community (EEC) was not just a common market; it was a full-blown political project. Therefore, Waldegrave reckoned at the 1975 referendum, it was dishonest to deny the claims of Tony Benn and Enoch Powell that EEC membership entailed a loss of sovereignty.

OK. I suggest you buy the book and read it. 

[Guest]

Just now, Nowack said:

OK. I suggest you buy the book and read it. 

Thanks!

[miamiwhite]

2 minutes ago, Boby Brno said:

https://amp.economist.com/open-future/2019/11/22/climate-freedom-and-denial-what-green-thatcherism-teaches-us-today
 

Thatcher thus became the first prominent political leader to warn the world about the danger of climate change, and to outline a strategy to deal with it. The timing of her speech, as communism was crumbling, was no coincidence: she cast climate change as the successor menace to socialism and nuclear annihilation.

Farrelli will be back spluttering with more 'facts' later.......I'll get some more popcorn 🍿 😋 

[Escobarp]

It’s absurd to think we’ve only evolved on matters such as workers rights and climate change etc because we have been in the EU. 

[Farrelli]

10 minutes ago, Boby Brno said:

https://amp.economist.com/open-future/2019/11/22/climate-freedom-and-denial-what-green-thatcherism-teaches-us-today
 

Thatcher thus became the first prominent political leader to warn the world about the danger of climate change, and to outline a strategy to deal with it. The timing of her speech, as communism was crumbling, was no coincidence: she cast climate change as the successor menace to socialism and nuclear annihilation.

She didn’t become PM until 1979 and the EU was already delivering significant improvements. I have acknowledged we played our part but we were led by EU directives, examples are in my earlier post.

[Boby Brno]

5 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

She didn’t become PM until 1979 and the EU was already delivering significant improvements. I have acknowledged we played our part but we were led by EU directives, examples are in my earlier post.

Your examples have no dates or timescale. What significant improvements were being delivered before 1979? It’s not a trick question as I don’t know. 

[Guest]

A good outline of where we are;

 

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/comment/the-eu-has-dangerously-misread-britain-tlltcnwj9/

[Nowack]

35 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

Thanks!

Probably wont be thanking me when you have read it. 

[Jol_BWFC]

4 hours ago, boltondiver said:

See above.

Pensions?

By and large, they are about where they were pre-pandemic.

 

I haven’t looked at my pension since March - if it is now where it was then, I’d take that.

[Guest]

13 minutes ago, Jol_BWFC said:

I haven’t looked at my pension since March - if it is now where it was then, I’d take that.

Depends where it is invested, but get from behind the sofa and take a look!

[Guest]

19 minutes ago, Nowack said:

Probably wont be thanking me when you have read it. 

I doubt it’ll bother me unduly, but I might download it.

Currently reading the inside story of “Brazil”

[Nowack]

4 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

I doubt it’ll bother me unduly, but I might download it.

Currently reading the inside story of “Brazil”

The film, country or football team. 

[Sweep]

Just now, Nowack said:

The film, country or football team. 

Or the alcoholic, drink driving, fat pumpkin headed Talksport presenter?

[Guest]

16 minutes ago, Nowack said:

The film, country or football team. 

 

16 minutes ago, Nowack said:

The film, country or football team. 

The film

[Nowack]

Any good? It may go on the Christmas list. 

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, Nowack said:

Any good? It may go on the Christmas list. 

The film or the book?

[Cheese]

4 years later, but the elephant is still in the room.

 

[birch-chorley]

7 hours ago, paulhanley said:

Our membership of the EEC was a sovereign choice. Nobody told us about all the nonsense that was to follow with the incremental creep of their law in to our own laws and customs as the EEC became the EU and the full extent of the "project" gradually emerged. Politicians with views as divergent as Margaret Thatcher, David Owen and Tony Benn had begun to smell something bad about this in the 1980s - and sovereignty was often the word on their lips too.

Anyway, its pointless. You know exactly what I mean. We are gaining control of our laws, borders, fishing grounds, trade/economy and agriculture. I call that gaining full control of our own sovereignty. If you want to choose a different set of words to describe it, grand. The facts remain the same.

We always controlled everything that ever came out of Brussels. We had a veto, if ever we didn’t like anything then it didn’t happen, simple 

We sometimes conceded ground on largely irrelevant things like fishing, but we off set that by dominating European banking for decades. A pragmatic decision that benefited us massively 

Anyone who believes we should throw financial services under the bus to protect our fishing territory should have their right to vote withdrawn IMO 

If GDP goes back by -1% because of BREXIT then the tax revenue lost will swallow up the financial up side of keeping our NET contribution to the EU. Any GDP move below -1% and we’ve lost money on the decision. Only if the move leads to GDP growing will it be deemed a success

Any GDP growth because of BREXIT looks highly unlikely for at least 5 years, if not a decade and then it relies on us getting a trade deal with the US / the EU not getting one 

Edited December 12, 2020 by birch-chorley

[Nowack]

2 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

The film or the book?

Book. Always had a soft spot for the film. 

[Guest]

Just now, Nowack said:

Book. Always had a soft spot for the film. 

If you enjoyed the film, then you will get along with the book.