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[Tonge moor green jacket]

2 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

They were mocking Boris for overpaying for the Pfizer vaccine

 

They're not laughing now

As I'm sure we may have done for PPE. Pragmatism in a dirty world.

[Mounts Kipper]

6 minutes ago, Ani said:

Ok let's have a sensible discussion on this. I do not agree with the EU action. There is another potentially bigger story which if true could from a legal perspective be bigger and worse for the EU, in that apparently the redacted version of the contract they sent out can be read in full if you use acrobat reader, in essence the hidden sections are shown in full. If this is right it is a potential serious breach of contract, only just seen this so not 100%.

On the vaccines, let's reverse the position. We pay upfront for a supply of vaccines and have what we think are guaranteed supplies. Some of this money is used to help configure the production line of the supplier. Demand for the supply goes through the roof, the supplier informs us that our supplies are under threat.This is because someone else has a contract that is taking precedence over ours. The vaccine is produced in some cases in our boundaries but are told despite this it is going elsewhere. We think this breeches our agreement. What should we do ? Sure we would not accept an interpretation of the contract from the suppliers lawyers.

Where personally I do not understand how the EU think this will work. We have all heard how difficult the Pfizer vaccine is to look after, is it really anyone's interest to have this sat on a dock somewhere going off rather than being used? 
 

In terms of invoking the terms of the Brexit agreement, how long since the deal was signed is not the issue. It is about the seriousness of the issue and if you are talking about a life saving virus think we would have to say that would be covered.

So in summary I think the EU have handled this badly. They only approved the vaccine today after a week of their member governments belittling the virus. They are talking about 'monitoring' supplies not blocking them but any disruption of the supply chain with a 'fragile' product has to be potentially harmful  

They are blocking supplies. They fucked about ordering stock, ordered late, companies are well within their rights to supply on a first come first served basis, how else are they supposed to prioritise orders and deliveries? The EU have a duty to act to protect their people, they’ve failed, bureaucracy and red tape got in the way, it’s a shit show they are running, thank fuck we are out. 

Edited January 29, 2021 by Mounts Kipper

[Escobarp]

3 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

I'd love it if Boris said, "look ere, chaps, we have a few spares we can help you out here." and then some latin phrase.

Not heard a peep from cardiac arrest or krankie which is surprising? Would of thought they would be wading in on this 🙄

[Tonge moor green jacket]

3 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

I'd love it if Boris said, "look ere, chaps, we have a few spares we can help you out here." and then some latin phrase.

NiC can quickly put the Oliver cast to good work.

"Please sir, can I have some more".

[Ani]

3 minutes ago, miamiwhite said:

Stick your reverse position and deflection Flinstone, it isn't happening.

You missed the bit about sensible discussion ? 

Not sure why you think you get to set the agenda. 
 

[Guest]

5 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

I'd love it if Boris said, "look ere, chaps, we have a few spares we can help you out here." and then some latin phrase.

Actually, a french phrae

 

Noblesse oblige

[miamiwhite]

8 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

At least one has popped on. Fair play. 
 

and NiC hope the pitch is successful 👍🏼
 

Another one will be thinking up some lies and scrambling around for some false facts to post. Few beers and he will be here. 

Yes fair play to NiC and every best wish re his pitch mate 👏 👍 

He won't return tonight as the Napier Barracks fire question is too hot to handle, excuse the intended pun 

Farrelli will be on though regaling with tales of a bloke having to fill in extra forms for 7% of his eel business. Mate, we have caught a whopper there 😄 

Spider made his pretend birthday party excuse bollocks already and left......just waiting for 🧀 to appear.....Will be a long night......The Night of the EU Syringes 

[Ani]

3 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

They are blocking supplies. They fucked about ordering stock, ordered late, companies are well within their rights to supply on a first come first served basis, how else are they supposed to prioritise orders and deliveries? The EU have a duty to act to protect their people, they’ve failed, bureaucracy and red tape got in the way, it’s a shit show they are running, thank fuck we are out. 

Not sure I said anything different to that did I ? 
The 'first come first served' element depends on the contract terms. The supplier has an obligation not to sign contacts they can not fulfil too. 

[miamiwhite]

1 minute ago, Ani said:

You missed the bit about sensible discussion ? 

Not sure why you think you get to set the agenda. 
 

No agenda, you are trying to set it by your opening diversionary gambit if you look clearly ?

I am living in a world of FACT, if you want make believe, try a Buck's Fizz tune, thank you.

[Boby Brno]

3 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

Actually, a french phrae

 

Noblesse oblige

Caveat emptor

That’s Latin.

Edited January 29, 2021 by Boby Brno

[Escobarp]

Boris could say here you go chaps there’s x number of vaccines at this price. We take MasterCard but you will Need to pay the 1.5% fee 😁

[Tonge moor green jacket]

1 minute ago, Ani said:

Not sure I said anything different to that did I ? 
The 'first come first served' element depends on the contract terms. The supplier has an obligation not to sign contacts they can not fulfil too. 

Perhaps thats why AZ said it was a best endeavours one?

Pfizer can't meet theirs neither- are the eu kicking off with them? 

[Ani]

1 minute ago, miamiwhite said:

No agenda, you are trying to set it by your opening diversionary gambit if you look clearly ?

I am living in a world of FACT, if you want make believe, try a Buck's Fizz tune, thank you.

Have you actually read what I said ? 

I do not agree with what they are doing. 
If they think they have a valid contract and AZ are renaging on it what should they do ? Just ignore it? 

[Sweep]

Just now, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Pfizer can't meet theirs neither- are the eu kicking off with them? 

Apparently so, but obviously that's not reported this side of the channel, because we don't really care.

[Ani]

1 minute ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Perhaps thats why AZ said it was a best endeavours one?

Pfizer can't meet theirs neither- are the eu kicking off with them? 

As I understand it the EU paid a load upfront as we did, that money has been used to upgrade the UK sites do they want some benefit from that

[Not in Crawley]

25 minutes ago, royal white said:

Get the violin out 

I will find you, and I will kill you with good music you massive tit.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

1 minute ago, Ani said:

Have you actually read what I said ? 

I do not agree with what they are doing. 
If they think they have a valid contract and AZ are renaging on it what should they do ? Just ignore it? 

Provide evidence, and approach the company, quietly and sort it cordially. 

[Boby Brno]

Just now, Ani said:

Have you actually read what I said ? 

I do not agree with what they are doing. 
If they think they have a valid contract and AZ are renaging on it what should they do ? Just ignore it? 

The contract is online. AZ are not reneging on it. The EU are wrong, there is no breach.

[Ani]

1 minute ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Provide evidence, and approach the company, quietly and sort it cordially. 

Pretty sure that would have the first thing that happened. 
 

I just imagine a load of people sat round a table shrugging their shoulders at each other. 

[Escobarp]

5 minutes ago, Ani said:

Have you actually read what I said ? 

I do not agree with what they are doing. 
If they think they have a valid contract and AZ are renaging on it what should they do ? Just ignore it? 

Should they not take it up with the supplier. 
 

imagine you had ordered something and your neighbour had ordered the same thing. Yours is dispatched and you’re out and it goes to your neighbor to take in. He refuses to let you have it as he’s ordered one too and in dispute with the supplier. You would be happy with that and understand the situation aye?

I would boot the cunts door in and take what was mine. Boris should send the army over the border get the vaccines back. Fuck em the soft cunts. 

Edited January 29, 2021 by Escobarp

[Tonge moor green jacket]

Just now, Ani said:

As I understand it the EU paid a load upfront as we did, that money has been used to upgrade the UK sites do they want some benefit from that

That money largely didn't materialise according to one report. Bit of a myth. Still waiting for it.

That notwithstanding, the order was placed well after ours, and they only approved it today. The top mon of AZ was on again earlier; they will be sending a significant amount of vaccine straight away.

 

[Ani]

1 minute ago, Boby Brno said:

The contract is online. AZ are not reneging on it. The EU are wrong, there is no breach.

They clearly think there is, both sides wanted to publicise the contract so think they are right. 
As I said if the EU have sent a version out that does not properly protect the confidential sections they are fucked  

[Escobarp]

1 minute ago, Ani said:

They clearly think there is, both sides wanted to publicise the contract so think they are right. 
As I said if the EU have sent a version out that does not properly protect the confidential sections they are fucked  

I’ve got Adobe pro if someone can point me to the redacted version I will unredact it 😉

[Tonge moor green jacket]

Just now, Ani said:

They clearly think there is, both sides wanted to publicise the contract so think they are right. 
As I said if the EU have sent a version out that does not properly protect the confidential sections they are fucked  

If they think they have a case, serve AZ with the necessary legal notice. Do it properly, not in a public hissy fit, then stomping their feet and taking their ball home.

Infantile shithousery of the highest calibre. 

[royal white]

6 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

I will find you, and I will kill you with good music you massive tit.

I’ve posted a couple of times this week about how social media has turned folk into Johnny concretes, the type of folk who would never in a milllion ways speak to people in “real life” like they would to people online. 
 

Let me give you example number 1