What is that "mate" of mine Sadiq Khan trying to achieve ?

 

You lost you demented little cretin, get over it and concentrate on your job you terrorist sympathiser.

Woah. Didn't expect to have touched such a nerve. I get it, you don't like change. You talk about living through the 60's which was one of the most dramatic periods of social change ever. 

 

The younger generation have more tolerance and less bigotry. I'd have thought that could only be a good thing. 

Also if you read the full version of what that model said, it puts a very different slant on it. The issue lies in the shortened version of the ad, that was on Facebook etc...did anyone really think a short ad with no context showing a black woman morph into a white woman was a good idea? The full ad, is totally fine. The shortened internet version that caused the outcry...absolutely not. 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/oct/10/i-am-woman-racist-dove-ad-not-a-victim

 

I LOVE change. Changed countries and will do it again soon. Doesn't get much bigger matey - the majority are too frightened to step off the edge.

 

What about the frames before when a white woman morphed into a black one? Didn't hear any whingeing twat raise that one? Like I said, the true racists are those who put such connotations on things - innocent as they were.

 

Almost impossible to win with PC wankers. No black woman and it would have not been racially representative. Surprised no fucker has complained about the lack of Asians in it.

"Fuck reality"?, don't think handing over £350mill a WEEK of the UK's money to some unelected buerocrat's to spend on plush offices in Brussels or trying to keep Greece afloat or any of the east European basket country's is not psychological in my world

Does this actually happen?

Far from being a victory, leaving the EU will be the last act of mainstream right-wing politics for a long, long time. Corbyn, or a Corbyn type, winning the next election is a certainty imo. And them closed borders are going to be more open than ever, irrespective. Cheers lads.

 

 

That one won't be forgotten. Discuss later.

I LOVE change. Changed countries and will do it again soon. Doesn't get much bigger matey - the majority are too frightened to step off the edge.

 

What about the frames before when a white woman morphed into a black one? Didn't hear any whingeing twat raise that one? Like I said, the true racists are those who put such connotations on things - innocent as they were.

 

Almost impossible to win with PC wankers. No black woman and it would have not been racially representative. Surprised no fucker has complained about the lack of Asians in it.

 

Was the frames before shown in the shortened internet GIF? The one I saw just showed a black woman morphing into a white woman who morphed into another white woman. 

 

I agree there are loads of internet social justice warrior types that jump on everything possible. And things get way overblown now. As a general principle though it is good that as a society we try not to offend or denigrate others whether it be particular races or sexes or otherwise. If you read that full article from the model its clear things are still far from perfect. 

That one won't be forgotten. Discuss later.

 

Like I said, the Tories are dying slowly. To paraphrase, what's the point of Capitalism when we have no capital?

 

Anyway, re: bailing out Greece, have we left the IMF as well now? Fuck me, when did that happen?

"Fuck reality"?, don't think handing over £350mill a WEEK of the UK's money to some unelected buerocrat's to spend on plush offices in Brussels or trying to keep Greece afloat or any of the east European basket country's is not psychological in my world

 

This is the level of understanding Brexiters have of the EU. Absolutely fuck all beyond whatever lie Farage last told them or Daily Mail headline they saw.

Edited October 12, 20178 yr by Cheese

The EU and the European Court of Justice are forever sticking their beaks in British affairs but have said nothing about what the Spanish government did in Catalonia because "it was an internal matter".

 

We are well out of a union with standards like that.

This is the level of understanding Brexiters have of the EU. Absolutely fuck all beyond whatever lie Farage last told them.

 

Yet again you are generalising in an insulting and incorrect way.

 

I voted against EU membership in 1975 (after the previous Government had taken UK in). I accepted the decision and got on with my life.

In future years I encountered Italian bankers with no concept of prudence and French civil servants who were extremely cliquey but uncivil.

I observed the potential advantages of the EU being frittered away by Belgian and Luxembourger politicians trying to convert the EU into a single state above all else.

When the opportunity to Vote Leave arose there was never any doubt that I would vote to leave.

It is no good saying the campaign was based on lies, because the same was the case on each side.

If you were to say we should not ever have a referendum again I would agree.

 

With regard to Eastern European immigration those interested should put this book on their Christmas list:

"Broken Vows: Tony Blair, the Tragedy of Power" by Tom Bower.

[Note to MK: be careful not to spontaneously combust around Chapter 23]

Edited October 12, 20178 yr by MalcolmW

For every reasoned gent like the above Brexit was also backed by a grey marl and Reebok Classic clad hoodlum, most of whom were using their ballot for the first time ever, marching down the polling station and using their clumsy paws to mark an X or leave an inked thumbprint for 'leave' under the mistaken belief that the next day any dusky (to them) undesirables would be frogmarched to the nearest port and dumped on the first floating thing leaving for overseas.

Other wise known as a majority of those who voted, how else do you want democracy to work?

I thought I'd covered that with my second sentence.

I thought Mr Pedantic was going to rip the £350m myth to pieces, but no. Mr Selectively-Pedantic.

Yet again you are generalising in an insulting and incorrect way.

 

I voted against EU membership in 1975 (after the previous Government had taken UK in). I accepted the decision and got on with my life.

In future years I encountered Italian bankers with no concept of prudence and French civil servants who were extremely cliquey but uncivil.

I observed the potential advantages of the EU being frittered away by Belgian and Luxembourger politicians trying to convert the EU into a single state above all else.

When the opportunity to Vote Leave arose there was never any doubt that I would vote to leave.

It is no good saying the campaign was based on lies, because the same was the case on each side.

If you were to say we should not ever have a referendum again I would agree.

 

With regard to Eastern European immigration those interested should put this book on their Christmas list:

"Broken Vows: Tony Blair, the Tragedy of Power" by Tom Bower.

[Note to MK: be careful not to spontaneously combust around Chapter 23]

 

 

There speaks a man with the experience and first hand knowledge to make a reasoned choice and I must say well said sir, would not buy a book by Blair but might nip to the library to read chapter 23.  

There speaks a man with the experience and first hand knowledge to make a reasoned choice and I must say well said sir, would not buy a book by Blair but might nip to the library to read chapter 23.  

 

It is not by Blair, it is about Blair.

It is not by Blair, it is about Blair.

I'm not sure he's that big on details.

This is the level of understanding Brexiters have of the EU. Absolutely fuck all beyond whatever lie Farage last told them or Daily Mail headline they saw.

How much do we pay in then?

How much do we get back, is also a question you need to ask

And who actually gives a fuck is another one.

How much do we pay in then?

https://fullfact.org/europe/our-eu-membership-fee-55-million/

 

So as always - it's open to interpretation as to whether out contribution is a worthwhile investment. I'd say it is (or at least it was) - others might disagree.

 

What I don't understand is why wanting to stay in the EU is being perceived as an act of cowardice and somehow a betrayal of what our forefathers fought for. In my eyes the EU IS what they fought for. Peace amongst nations and discourse rather than tanks settling disputes.

 

I've never felt the EU impacting negatively on anything I've wanted to do in life. Quite the opposite in fact. I've certainly never felt oppressed by it. It's always felt largely benign to me.

I only thought to myself in the pub the other day when I was bit shy of change for another pint, "bloody hell I wish we didn't give the EU £350 trillion a week then I could have another pint"

 

Brussels wankers.

https://fullfact.org/europe/our-eu-membership-fee-55-million/

So as always - it's open to interpretation as to whether out contribution is a worthwhile investment. I'd say it is (or at least it was) - others might disagree.

What I don't understand is why wanting to stay in the EU is being perceived as an act of cowardice and somehow a betrayal of what our forefathers fought for. In my eyes the EU IS what they fought for. Peace amongst nations and discourse rather than tanks settling disputes.

I've never felt the EU impacting negatively on anything I've wanted to do in life. Quite the opposite in fact. I've certainly never felt oppressed by it. It's always felt largely benign to me.

Thanks Kent for the link to ' fullfact.org', I already knew how much we pay in and how much we get back, as I understand it we give away approximately £160mill net a week, yes £160mill a week for what?

 

With all public services in the UK on their arses due to lack of money how can the UK government not use £160mill a week to improve every body's situation

 

If you are against Brexit please explain the biggest reason you wish to remain in the EU

https://fullfact.org/europe/our-eu-membership-fee-55-million/

So as always - it's open to interpretation as to whether out contribution is a worthwhile investment. I'd say it is (or at least it was) - others might disagree.

What I don't understand is why wanting to stay in the EU is being perceived as an act of cowardice and somehow a betrayal of what our forefathers fought for. In my eyes the EU IS what they fought for. Peace amongst nations and discourse rather than tanks settling disputes.

I've never felt the EU impacting negatively on anything I've wanted to do in life. Quite the opposite in fact. I've certainly never felt oppressed by it. It's always felt largely benign to me.

Thanks Kent for the link to ' fullfact.org', I already knew how much we pay in and how much we get back, as I understand it we give away approximately £160mill net a week, yes £160mill a week for what?

 

With all public services in the UK on their arses due to lack of money how can the UK government not use £160mill a week to improve every body's situation

 

If you are against Brexit please explain the biggest reason you wish to remain in the EU

Sorry double post

Thanks Kent for the link to ' fullfact.org', I already knew how much we pay in and how much we get back, as I understand it we give away approximately £160mill net a week, yes £160mill a week for what?

 

With all public services in the UK on their arses due to lack of money how can the UK government not use £160mill a week to improve every body's situation

 

If you are against Brexit please explain the biggest reason you wish to remain in the EU

 

The only justification the remainers can give is they guess the sky will fall in when we leave fuck all else in their argument.

Gonzo- you asked a pertinent question earlier- basically if we had or been able to control immigration would we have left (apologies for paraphrasing)- for me I doubt we would and indeed doubt that a referendum would have arisen.

Obviously many and varied reasons for leaving, but I genuinely believe that for many it was the only chance folk have had to say their piece, as no party (mainstream not extreme) would address the issue. Hence ukip's rise and fall.

Cameron failed massively to get any sort of concessions but at least had the fall back of the referendum. He didn't have the balls to take on the new mandate, and ultimately we are where we are.

 

There's an opportunity now to not just reform our "laws" etc, but also to lay down foundations to improve society. Fuck only knows how it will pan out, but we've got to run with it now.

 

Bit like sticking with parky, not sure at all, but he's here and we've got to get on with it.

If you are against Brexit please explain the biggest reason you wish to remain in the EU

There are lots of reasons - but a few of the biggest ones would be that the EU has helped keep the peace in Europe relatively well, that most of the problems we face nowadays transcend national boundaries, so having close links with other like minded states makes sense - I liked having the freedom to travel and work around the continent and made good use of it, especially in my younger years - the fact that I work in a job which would be even more difficult were it not for skilled migrants from the EU - the general ethos that nations can work together as opposed to constantly needing to compete with each other. That's just a few ideas off the top of my head.

 

Probably the biggest one would be the first one but there are lots of reasons.

 

I don't think the EU was or is perfect - but I think we've done pretty well out of it over the years. I hope to God we thrive outside of it but I imagine it's going to take a lot of extra hard work and ingenuity just to maintain a standard of living we currently enjoy anyway.