Guest Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 16 minutes ago, Cheese said: Eh? You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. Please explain what was "included in A50". Please don’t be so rude Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanderlust Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 I love a good Brexit row. Everyone watch "Brexit - the Uncivil War" (aka "The Great British Break Con" ) ? Made me laugh especially the guy who played Boris. I'm still getting over how after 30 years of media propaganda, some dodgy internet - based targeted messaging and a handful of fear-mongering fake news straplines Murdoch finally engineered his revenge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Cheese Posted August 28, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted August 28, 2019 32 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: They were lies perpetrated by the civil service and the Cameron/Osborne government, they were the biggest lies of all and 9 million was spent delivering those lies to every UK household, thankfully folk saw right through them. Aye. Those special kind of lies that come true eh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 Just now, Cheese said: Aye. Those special kind of lies that come true eh. Well we’re still waiting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweep Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 1 hour ago, boltondiver said: If MPs didn’t like no deal, then they shouldn’t have included it in A50. I'm not sure that really makes sense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 4 minutes ago, Sweep said: I'm not sure that really makes sense Why? 498 MPs voted to invoke A50. A part of that was that we would leave by a certain date, with or without an agreement. It’s just a fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Cheese Posted August 28, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted August 28, 2019 33 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: Well we’re still waiting. You mean you're keeping your head buried deeply in the sand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwfcfan5 Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 2 minutes ago, boltondiver said: Why? 498 MPs voted to invoke A50. A part of that was that we would leave by a certain date, with or without an agreement. It’s just a fact. Because they were all told there would be a great deal. And ultimately they either voted for A50 or against it. They couldn't stipulate "but only if we get a deal". The issue is that "not getting a deal" was never discussed by Brexiteers in the run up to the referendum or after it. If anyone said "what happens if the EU can't agree a deal with us" they'd be shouted down as talking nonsense. So MPs voted assuming a deal would be struck. As did the electorate. There isn't a mandate for this. If it goes wrong and there is chaos those who are accountable should in my view face some very serious charges. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said: Because they were all told there would be a great deal. And ultimately they either voted for A50 or against it. They couldn't stipulate "but only if we get a deal". The issue is that "not getting a deal" was never discussed by Brexiteers in the run up to the referendum or after it. If anyone said "what happens if the EU can't agree a deal with us" they'd be shouted down as talking nonsense. So MPs voted assuming a deal would be struck. As did the electorate. There isn't a mandate for this. If it goes wrong and there is chaos those who are accountable should in my view face some very serious charges. Well they should have fucking worked it out instead of bleating about it long afterwards, or not included it in A50. Nobody else to blame but themselves. Edited August 28, 2019 by boltondiver Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwfcfan5 Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 4 minutes ago, boltondiver said: Well they should have fucking worked it out instead of bleating about it long afterwards, or not included it in A50. Nobody else to blame but themselves. Article 50 is fixed - you can't "not include it" its an EU process for exit - a set period of time. They didn't have that choice. I agree they should have been wise to the fact that everything to come out of every single Brexiteers mouths is a brazen lie in the name of extreme right wing nationalism - but sadly they weren't. So we're stuck with an extremist government pursuing an extremist policy against wishes of majority of people in this country in the name of "democracy". Congratulations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted August 28, 2019 Moderators Share Posted August 28, 2019 who fcuking cares, you boring wankers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miamiwhite Posted August 28, 2019 Author Share Posted August 28, 2019 59 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said: Article 50 is fixed - you can't "not include it" its an EU process for exit - a set period of time. They didn't have that choice. I agree they should have been wise to the fact that everything to come out of every single Brexiteers mouths is a brazen lie in the name of extreme right wing nationalism - but sadly they weren't. So we're stuck with an extremist government pursuing an extremist policy against wishes of majority of people in this country in the name of "democracy". Congratulations. Your last paragraph.....have you looked at yourself in the mirror ? Get a grip you bleating baby. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miamiwhite Posted August 28, 2019 Author Share Posted August 28, 2019 1 hour ago, Mounts Kipper said: Well we’re still waiting. Correct sir, no deep immediate economic recession. No immediate loss of 500k jobs on the leave vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darwen_white Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 3 hours ago, Cheese said: Crashing out with No Deal is not the Democratic will of the people. The people were told we would have a fantastic deal, and there would be no negative consequences of Leaving the EU. Also - you're lying. If by some miracle Corbyn got into No 10, and decided to shut Parliament so it couldn't stop one of his extreme policies being implemented you'd be apoplectic with rage, and rightly so. How is leaving the EU an extreme policy..? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Spider Posted August 28, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted August 28, 2019 (edited) My first visit in a while and may I say how terrifically well it all seems to be going. As you were, gents. Edited August 28, 2019 by Spider Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickbrown Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 Boris is doing a spiffing job ain’t he? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 20 minutes ago, mickbrown said: Boris is doing a spiffing job ain’t he? Yes, so far, so good. In my view. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 43 minutes ago, darwen_white said: How is leaving the EU an extreme policy..? It isn’t, of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Cheese Posted August 28, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted August 28, 2019 (edited) 49 minutes ago, darwen_white said: How is leaving the EU an extreme policy..? It isn't if it's done sensibly. But leaving with No Deal is about as extreme as it gets. The very idea that it could happen was dismissed as "Project Fear" during the referendum. Edited August 28, 2019 by Cheese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulhanley Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, boltondiver said: It isn’t, of course. Hardly a surprise to drop by in to this thread and hear squawking, wailing and gnashing of teeth about democracy from people who have spent the last three years trying to deny it in the most appalling way. The utter hypocrisy of some remainers is incredible. We voted to leave the EU. We're going to leave the EU. We're going to leave it properly. No common market, no customs union, no jurisdiction for the ECJ, no more being prone to the unelected and deeply undemocratic EU commission, no more being unable to be masters of our our own trade policy. We're not "crashing" out, we are leaving of our own volition. It should have happened ages and ago would have had remainers not been in Number 10, Number 11 and other key posts - elected and unelected. The boot is on the other foot now - and when the remainers see some manouevering against them, all of a sudden such tactics are wrong. Hypocrites, hypocrites, hypocrites. The message to the entrenched occupants in the remoanerdom bunker is simple. Stop squealing and get a grip. We are leaving the EU because that was the referendum result. Keep up the good work Boris. Edited August 28, 2019 by paulhanley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted August 28, 2019 Site Supporter Share Posted August 28, 2019 4 hours ago, Cheese said: So if this is allowed to happen, you'll presumably applaud future shutdowns of Parliament to force through extreme policies you disagree with? So presumably you're applauding all those MPs who stood on a leave platform, but have made it quite clear they won't vote for a deal. This after voting to have a referendum and to implement the result. You continue to refer to it all as being undemocratic, yet don't acknowledge the duplicity of those who won't abide by a democratic public referendum. Furthermore, there was is no mandate for remain, just leave. The method of leaving wasn't voted upon, so refering to the govt as having no mandate is inaccurate. Parliament had its chance and blew it. Unless the PM comes back with a better deal. If and when all remainers acknowledge the result, and start to work towards a post brexit Britain, then there'll be no need for continued shenanigans. But that won't happen, so carry on Boris. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulhanley Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 32 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: So presumably you're applauding all those MPs who stood on a leave platform, but have made it quite clear they won't vote for a deal. This after voting to have a referendum and to implement the result. You continue to refer to it all as being undemocratic, yet don't acknowledge the duplicity of those who won't abide by a democratic public referendum. Furthermore, there was is no mandate for remain, just leave. The method of leaving wasn't voted upon, so refering to the govt as having no mandate is inaccurate. Parliament had its chance and blew it. Unless the PM comes back with a better deal. If and when all remainers acknowledge the result, and start to work towards a post brexit Britain, then there'll be no need for continued shenanigans. But that won't happen, so carry on Boris. Or to summarise - another case of clutching at straws, double standards and hypocrisy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickbrown Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 59 minutes ago, boltondiver said: Yes, so far, so good. In my view. Take it you’re ok with him shutting up shop? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miamiwhite Posted August 28, 2019 Author Share Posted August 28, 2019 How ironic Corbyn is begging the Queen to listen to his failed career bleats. After all, that prick wanted to abolish the monarchy after her majesty dies. What a wanker he is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 40 minutes ago, mickbrown said: Take it you’re ok with him shutting up shop? Well, he’s only extended the norm by a few days. I’d prefer he didn’t, really, but he is just taking on others at their own process game. Nice Machiavellian touch; hope he gets away with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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