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[Spider]

Boris has basically sent the EU a clear message tonight.

”We’re off”

At least everyone knows it’s happening now. Right or wrong.

He’s clearly had Trump in his ears telling him to just be a stubborn cunt.

If it draws this pathetic, self indulgent shitstorm to a conclusion, then fuck it, I’m in.

[Casino]

End of the Tory party in sight

Fcuk knows what fills the gap, mind

[Tonge moor green jacket]

1 minute ago, Spider said:

Boris has basically sent the EU a clear message tonight.

”We’re off”

At least everyone knows it’s happening now. Right or wrong.

He’s clearly had Trump in his ears telling him to just be a stubborn cunt.

If it draws this pathetic, self indulgent shitstorm to a conclusion, then fuck it, I’m in.

Quite. Stasis is hugely unhelpful. Time to move on and quickly.

[kent_white]

9 minutes ago, Spider said:

Boris has basically sent the EU a clear message tonight.

”We’re off”

At least everyone knows it’s happening now. Right or wrong.

He’s clearly had Trump in his ears telling him to just be a stubborn cunt.

If it draws this pathetic, self indulgent shitstorm to a conclusion, then fuck it, I’m in.

Yep - still think Brexit will prove to be a shit idea. But it's a better idea than just sitting in limbo for 10 years. At least I hope it is.

[Salford Trotter]

6 minutes ago, Casino said:

End of the Tory party in sight

Fcuk knows what fills the gap, mind

there are more political splits than a gymnastic team, bang on a hung parliament if both sides don't polarise around the stronger party. If it goes that far then a 2nd referendum has to be remain or no deal as the 2 options

[Tonge moor green jacket]

Or Boris's deal?

Bloke has to be given the opportunity.

[Salford Trotter]

7 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Or Boris's deal?

Bloke has to be given the opportunity.

Boris' deal is No Deal. The ERG have told him they don't want a deal which is reinforced by the fact that he's hardly pulling up trees to get back to the EU with an alternative to the backstop plus he won't get the TBP to step aside in an election if he doesn't go for a clean break. Have I missed something? I am in Toronto so 5 hours behind you lot and only occasionally going online

[Guest]

44 minutes ago, Casino said:

End of the Tory party in sight

Fcuk knows what fills the gap, mind

Currently don’t see that all

[Salford Trotter]

5 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

Currently don’t see that all

it's gone too far right for many traditional Tory voters just in the same way Corbyn has taken the extreme left position for Labour. The Lib Dems will prosper in the middle ground

[Winchester White]

3 hours ago, miamiwhite said:

Said it all along re the EU’s arse going.....

This is from the main man himself ...Mr Drunker......enjoy.

 

 

To be fair that clip is nearly 4 years old.

We do need to move on but the thought of either a no deal brexit or a Corbyn Government is like choosing between untreated syphilis or gonorrhea.

I just hope Boris pulls a rabbit out if the hat and brings some sort of hashed deal back from the EU that we can pass through the commons and move on.

[leigh white]

52 minutes ago, Casino said:

End of the Tory party in sight

Fcuk knows what fills the gap, mind

The shiny headed Cameron caused all this shitstorm, never heard a budge on this site about the injustice of being in the EU before he stuck his fucking oar in.

[Salford Trotter]

56 minutes ago, Casino said:

End of the Tory party in sight

Fcuk knows what fills the gap, mind

Both main parties used to laud their 'broad church' credentials but now the ERG are just the Tory Party's Momentum, if you don't align behind the extreme of the party you are out....what a sad state of affairs 

[Casino]

13 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

Currently don’t see that all

If this parliament runs it's course, no deal has what, 2 years to look great

Imo, it hasn't got a chance in that time frame

At that point, BP are in the game cos they will say Tories fucked it up and labour are still going to be around

I won't vote Tory in the next election, so you've lost the likes of me and you've lost the right wingers

If he goes to the country pre brexit, once again BP will hit them hard and it's another hung job

Good old Boris and the self interest toffs are killing the party

Time will tell, anyroad

[mickbrown]

4 minutes ago, leigh white said:

The shiny headed Cameron caused all this shitstorm, never heard a budge on this site about the injustice of being in the EU before he stuck his fucking oar in.

In one

 

[Salford Trotter]

6 minutes ago, leigh white said:

The shiny headed Cameron caused all this shitstorm, never heard a budge on this site about the injustice of being in the EU before he stuck his fucking oar in.

correct Mick, the lunatics have truly taken over the asylum

[Winchester White]

Not sure about that, I am sure folk talked plenty about UKIP when Arthur Daley was in charge?

[leigh white]

16 minutes ago, Winchester White said:

Not sure about that, I am sure folk talked plenty about UKIP when Arthur Daley was in charge?

I forgot about how the UKIP voters were going to decimate the Tory vote, ah well.

[Guest]

7 hours ago, Salford Trotter said:

it's gone too far right for many traditional Tory voters just in the same way Corbyn has taken the extreme left position for Labour. The Lib Dems will prosper in the middle ground

Boris is a liberal, not that far away from Blair

Schools, hospitals, police etc

Brexit isn’t far right, it’s just democracy 

 

[Guest]

Disgusting;

The legislation to be put forward on Tuesday seeks to tie Boris Johnson's hands, and instructs him to ask the EU for an extension of the Brexit process until 31 January 2020.

A lot of attention will be on the clause which says that if the European Council proposes an extension to a different date, then the prime minister must accept it within two days, unless that extension has been rejected by the House of Commons.

In other words, the power to decide will lie with members of Parliament not with the government. 

For a PM who has promised to leave on 31 October come what may, it would seem to be impossible to accept.

[mickbrown]

2 hours ago, boltondiver said:

Boris is a liberal, not that far away from Blair

Schools, hospitals, police etc

Brexit isn’t far right, it’s just democracy 

 

Boris is whatever the fuck suits him at the time.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

17 minutes ago, mickbrown said:

Boris is whatever the fuck suits him at the time

Flexible in approach, and willing to compromise in the wider interest?

[Tonge moor green jacket]

10 hours ago, leigh white said:

The shiny headed Cameron caused all this shitstorm, never heard a budge on this site about the injustice of being in the EU before he stuck his fucking oar in.

Until the referendum was held, there was never going to be a wholesale discussion of the virtues of the EU.

Like there was little discussion of the possibility of our club going to the wall until it became a real possibility.

Might be wrong, but there may have been comments over Cameron's poor return from the EU over his attempts to get better conditions for our membership.

[Guest]

People on the extreme right of politics desperate to pretend Boris is a liberal. Come on. Lets get our "sovereignty back". Our parliament can make its own decisions. Except ones we don't like. Then we don't want no stinking sovereignty. 

Brexit has become an embarrassment. People who defend it know they are having to twist, lie and contort constantly. 

We should be leaving with a deal. The fact we aren't is down to the Tory party's inability to actually govern with their own internal splits. 

Boris was happy to vote against his own government multiple times yet now seems unable to accept his own MPs doing the same.

Cameron, May and Boris have all failed miserably. The Tory party has failed miserably. That is the truth that nobody can hide from. 4 years on from Cameron's win and the referendum being approved by parliament - we have a country more divided than ever, a political mess of a magnitude never seen before and an economy that has slid into negative growth and a pound falling to lows that seemed unimaginable back in 2014. 

 

[Moon boy]

5 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said:

People on the extreme right of politics desperate to pretend Boris is a liberal. Come on. Lets get our "sovereignty back". Our parliament can make its own decisions. Except ones we don't like. Then we don't want no stinking sovereignty. 

Brexit has become an embarrassment. People who defend it know they are having to twist, lie and contort constantly. 

We should be leaving with a deal. The fact we aren't is down to the Tory party's inability to actually govern with their own internal splits. 

Boris was happy to vote against his own government multiple times yet now seems unable to accept his own MPs doing the same.

Cameron, May and Boris have all failed miserably. The Tory party has failed miserably. That is the truth that nobody can hide from. 4 years on from Cameron's win and the referendum being approved by parliament - we have a country more divided than ever, a political mess of a magnitude never seen before and an economy that has slid into negative growth and a pound falling to lows that seemed unimaginable back in 2014. 

 

So what’s your way out of this?

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, Moon boy said:

So what’s your way out of this?

In all honesty I'm not sure there is a way out. I would say revoke article 50 and stay. You would say leave with no deal.

That's the problem  - Brexit has become an extreme. Its gone from people like Gove telling us there is "no way we will leave without a deal" to an unelected extremist in Cummings running the show. 

The only way this gets resolved potentially is a further referendum. With "in or out" and then scenarios for out. The scenarios being "The WA or no deal".

That way you find out a) does the country still want to leave and b) do they prefer the WA or no deal. Make it binding.