Politics

[Mounts Kipper]

4 minutes ago, mickbrown said:

Well this is going well

It is isn’t it, 19% in the polls.😂

[Tonge moor green jacket]

2 minutes ago, L/H White said:

Brilliant ain't it, who said we'd be out in months?

First PM called it on and bottled it, 2nd was a waste of space, and I've no words for bozza. 

Comical, shambolic, mess. 

As was detailed earlier, a quick election, and a working majority of just 1 allows Boris the opportunity to repeal tonight's change.

By eliminating remain MPs that's not out of the question.

[mickbrown]

19 minutes ago, miamiwhite said:

Stop being such a self centred twat for once and think of other industries that will benefit from it.

Which industries? Genuine question. 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

4 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

It is isn’t it, 19% in the polls.😂

What's that 19%?

[L/H White]

Just now, Tonge moor green jacket said:

As was detailed earlier, a quick election, and a working majority of just 1 allows Boris the opportunity to repeal tonight's change.

By eliminating remain MPs that's not out of the question.

I meant when it first happened, someone on here said it would take months and we'd be out 

[Salford Trotter]

2 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Irrelevant. Parliament voted to have a referendum, then voted to enact it, and voted it into law.

What type of deal wasn't talked about, perhaps it should have been. But it wasn't, and therefore incumbent upon government.

Parliament can and has changed its mind, which it is entitled to do.

As escobarp put it, in doing so they have reneged on what they promised without standing on that ticket.

Consequently the government plays dirty.

Bag of wank all round.

At least the conservative party will now start to align behind a policy, as MPs are booted out.

Better for a general election.

strangely i think kicking out MPs (both Tory and Labour) will eventually lead to a split vote at a GE as they start to stand as independent candidates or perhaps for another party just in the same way TBP putting up candidates will split the leave vote as per Brecon. The party leaders will have to be on their mettle to avoid embarrassing themselves at the ballot box

[miamiwhite]

1 minute ago, mickbrown said:

Which industries? Genuine question. 

Google is your friend fella, I’m off to bed x

[Tonge moor green jacket]

Just now, L/H White said:

I meant when it first happened, someone on here said it would take months and we'd be out 

Well that was never going to happen; article 50 itself had a time frame. Don't think many really thought it would be done quickly.

[Ani]

4 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Irrelevant. Parliament voted to have a referendum, then voted to enact it, and voted it into law.

What type of deal wasn't talked about, perhaps it should have been. But it wasn't, and therefore incumbent upon government.

Parliament can and has changed its mind, which it is entitled to do.

As escobarp put it, in doing so they have reneged on what they promised without standing on that ticket.

Consequently the government plays dirty.

Bag of wank all round.

At least the conservative party will now start to align behind a policy, as MPs are booted out.

Better for a general election.

The type of deal was talked about and virtually all the major supporters dismissed no deal as project fear. 

This not about democracy it is about a very small number of incredibly rich individuals engineering a result that suits themselves. 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

1 minute ago, Salford Trotter said:

strangely i think kicking out MPs (both Tory and Labour) will eventually lead to a split vote at a GE as they start to stand as independent candidates or perhaps for another party just in the same way TBP putting up candidates will split the leave vote as per Brecon. The party leaders will have to be on their mettle to avoid embarrassing themselves at the ballot box

Very probably. Though from the Tory's perspective, to a avoid too much of a bp invasion, they need to present a unified position. Remainers undermining the stance would make things much worse.

Labour may have to look at itself too. Far from a clear position.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

3 minutes ago, Ani said:

The type of deal was talked about and virtually all the major supporters dismissed no deal as project fear. 

This not about democracy it is about a very small number of incredibly rich individuals engineering a result that suits themselves. 

How. This never makes sense. If Britain was to go to ratshit, how does that benefit these rich folk, who presumably have vested interests in British industry?

[bwfcfan5]

2 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

How. This never makes sense. If Britain was to go to ratshit, how does that benefit these rich folk, who presumably have vested interests in British industry?

Have you not seen the rich Brexiteers betting against the British economy and the pound?

Edited September 3, 2019 by bwfcfan5

[Salford Trotter]

3 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Very probably. Though from the Tory's perspective, to a avoid too much of a bp invasion, they need to present a unified position. Remainers undermining the stance would make things much worse.

Labour may have to look at itself too. Far from a clear position.

I agree, i think the leave side are more likely to coalesce one message and this is where the arrogance of Corbyn and not working with Swinson/Blackford maybe their downfall. Hopefully the enormity of the prize will focus the remain camp

[bwfcfan5]

Boris has just sacked Winston Churchill’s grandson. Brilliant. Tories now further to the extremes than Labour under Corbyn. Truly frightening. Shame May didn’t throw Boris out when he voted against his own party twice. 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

Hasn't Swinson herself said no to Corbyn?

In fairness to JC, he has an impossible job. He could massively alienate a huge amount of his core support.

 

[Salford Trotter]

5 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

How. This never makes sense. If Britain was to go to ratshit, how does that benefit these rich folk, who presumably have vested interests in British industry?

many have already moved their wealth abroad  e.g. Dyson, JRM and Lawson

[kent_white]

That photo of JRM. Could be a Miliband bacon sandwich moment.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

2 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said:

Boris has just sacked Winston Churchill’s grandson. Brilliant. Tories now further to the extremes than Labour under Corbyn. Truly frightening. Shame May didn’t throw Boris out when he voted against his own party twice. 

Frightening? Bit dramatic.

They can stand as independent MPs or join another party.

 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

1 minute ago, Salford Trotter said:

many have already moved their wealth abroad  e.g. Dyson, JRM and Lawson

JRM manages funds internationally doesn't he. I'm sure all funds will use opportunities wherever they are.

Dyson moved some manufacturing years ago. He's also not an MP. Neither is Lawson.

So let's revisit it. How many MPs have got interests that would benefit from the UK going to ratshit?

[Tonge moor green jacket]

4 minutes ago, kent_white said:

That photo of JRM. Could be a Miliband bacon sandwich moment.

Hasn't Lucas chastised him?

[Salford Trotter]

2 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Hasn't Swinson herself said no to Corbyn?

In fairness to JC, he has an impossible job. He could massively alienate a huge amount of his core support.

 

She has said she won't have him leading a Gvt of National Unity but I understand she is open to working with him on a progressive alliance to strategically fight constituencies where the remain candidate will be better served by not splitting the vote. Whether Corbyn sees that as a weakness remains to be seen. Based on current polls the Lib Dems would take 23 seats from Torys (18) and Labour (5) and with an alliance you will likely see Raab's seat go yellow too. Coupled with the potential demise of the Torys in Scotland you are looking at a hung parliament unless something dramatic changes.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

Yes, wouldn't disagree.

That's when the BP come into the reckoning. Their presence then increases the likelihood of a no deal situation as they will push for it as part of any agreement with Tories.

As the lady on the radio explained, a tiny majority with support from whoever and today's events are wiped.

[Farrelli]

Ken Clarke's comments:

"The most right wing cabinet ever".

"the PM comes and talks absolute Rubbish to us". 

Bet he's glad to be retiring 

[Salford Trotter]

8 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

JRM manages funds internationally doesn't he. I'm sure all funds will use opportunities wherever they are.

Dyson moved some manufacturing years ago. He's also not an MP. Neither is Lawson.

So let's revisit it. How many MPs have got interests that would benefit from the UK going to ratshit?

Referring to Brexit, the fund’s prospectus said: “During, and possibly after, this period there is likely to be considerable uncertainty as to the position of the UK and the arrangements which will apply to its relationships with the EU and other countries following its withdrawal.

It goes onto say a No Deal Brexit would increase costs and make it difficult to pursue objectives

 

“As [the firm is] based in the UK and a fund’s investments may be located in the UK or the EU, a fund may as a result be affected by the events described above.”

The fund also warned its clients directly of the dangers of a hard Brexit, saying it would “increase costs” and make it difficult to pursue its objectives.

[Salford Trotter]

2 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Yes, wouldn't disagree.

That's when the BP come into the reckoning. Their presence then increases the likelihood of a no deal situation as they will push for it as part of any agreement with Tories.

As the lady on the radio explained, a tiny majority with support from whoever and today's events are wiped.

TBP and the Torys split the vote in Brecon, otherwise the Tories would have won