mickbrown Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 4 minutes ago, Spider said: I imagine the whining hippies would stop complaining when they’re unable to charge their iPhones. frack on. We need the juice. I want one of these shale gas powered iPhones. They sound ace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayjayoghani Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 40% of UK electricity supply is generated from gas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bolty58 Posted October 12, 2018 Members Share Posted October 12, 2018 20 minutes ago, jayjayoghani said: 40% of UK electricity supply is generated from gas. Much of it from this forum............................ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bolty58 Posted October 12, 2018 Members Share Posted October 12, 2018 20 hours ago, Sweep said: There's a Biogas place been built about 10 miles from where Iive. I've never seen anybody coming out or going in. It's an odd looking place David Vincent found it first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bolty58 Posted October 12, 2018 Members Share Posted October 12, 2018 1 hour ago, Spider said: I imagine the whining hippies would stop complaining when they’re unable to charge their iPhones. frack on. We need the juice. You gave me a bit of an idea there. Can we burn hippies to assist with energy needs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted October 12, 2018 Site Supporter Share Posted October 12, 2018 1 hour ago, bolty58 said: You gave me a bit of an idea there. Can we burn hippies to assist with energy needs? Add them to the torrorists! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter MickyD Posted October 12, 2018 Site Supporter Share Posted October 12, 2018 14 hours ago, birch-chorley said: Didn’t the coal mines shut because we could import the stuff much cheaper? Or was it that Mrs Thatcher decided to take Scargill on? I think it was probably a bit of all three Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mixu Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 Have they started fracking at Barton Moss yet? The foul smell between J11-12 (of the M62) is beyond anything the sewage farm normally emits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 https://www.blackpoolgazette.co.uk/news/environment/five-more-earthquakes-recorded-in-blackpool-taking-number-since-fracking-started-to-11-1-9413065 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Spider Posted October 25, 2018 Site Supporter Share Posted October 25, 2018 9 minutes ago, gonzo said: https://www.blackpoolgazette.co.uk/news/environment/five-more-earthquakes-recorded-in-blackpool-taking-number-since-fracking-started-to-11-1-9413065 Can the energy produced by the tremors not be harvested as a renewable energy? win/win Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deane koontz Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 Shocked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted October 25, 2018 Moderators Share Posted October 25, 2018 Ive had bigger farts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_white Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 0.5? You'd only even be able to detect this with equipment! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayjayoghani Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 Think the point is they're establishing a link between fracking and earthquakes They can get bigger. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009–18_Oklahoma_earthquake_swarms Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted October 25, 2018 Site Supporter Share Posted October 25, 2018 If there are tremors, does this not release the gas quicker? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_white Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 33 minutes ago, jayjayoghani said: Think the point is they're establishing a link between fracking and earthquakes They can get bigger. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009–18_Oklahoma_earthquake_swarms The link between fracking and earthquakes has been established for decades. It's about acceptable risk and 0.5 on the Fylde Coast sounds pretty acceptable to me - given that 0.5 is imperceptible. Olkahoma is in the New Madrid seismic zone so you can't really compare the two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_white Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 30 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: If there are tremors, does this not release the gas quicker? We've seen what happens with this in America! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traf Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 10 minutes ago, kent_white said: The link between fracking and earthquakes has been established for decades. It's about acceptable risk and 0.5 on the Fylde Coast sounds pretty acceptable to me - given that 0.5 is imperceptible. Olkahoma is in the New Madrid seismic zone so you can't really compare the two. 6.0 would be acceptable on the Fylde Coast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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jayjayoghani Posted October 25, 2018 Share Posted October 25, 2018 1 hour ago, kent_white said: The link between fracking and earthquakes has been established for decades. It's about acceptable risk and 0.5 on the Fylde Coast sounds pretty acceptable to me - given that 0.5 is imperceptible. Olkahoma is in the New Madrid seismic zone so you can't really compare the two. The assumption is all future eq's are limited to 0.5 magnitude. The Blackpool earthquakes are very shallow, they don't need to be much bigger before they become perceptible. When I lived in Christchurch, had one only 2.9 but I was sat at home, it was like someone battered the side of the house once with a large mallet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_white Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 1 hour ago, jayjayoghani said: The assumption is all future eq's are limited to 0.5 magnitude. The Blackpool earthquakes are very shallow, they don't need to be much bigger before they become perceptible. When I lived in Christchurch, had one only 2.9 but I was sat at home, it was like someone battered the side of the house once with a large mallet. No - not necessarily. Your assumption is that they will be bigger. I'm saying that it's possible - but it's very unlikely. There are lots of reasons you might be opposed to fracking - the possibility of triggering a damaging earthquake would be pretty far down the list for me. Are you talking about Christchurch New Zealand by the way? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayjayoghani Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 I'm not assuming anything. Merely pointing out the obvious. The Oklahoma case you dismissed, they went from fewer than 2 3.0+ EQs per year to hundreds. A few between 5 and 5.8, at such a shallow depth they go from irritating to terrifying. It's a massive jump from a 3 to 5.8. I'm reading they stop and review should any EQs above 0.5 occur in Blackpool. I suspect should they start becoming perceptible, politically it would become too hot to carry on. Yes, I lived for 3 years in Christchurch, NZ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_white Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 4 hours ago, jayjayoghani said: I'm not assuming anything. Merely pointing out the obvious. The Oklahoma case you dismissed, they went from fewer than 2 3.0+ EQs per year to hundreds. A few between 5 and 5.8, at such a shallow depth they go from irritating to terrifying. It's a massive jump from a 3 to 5.8. I'm reading they stop and review should any EQs above 0.5 occur in Blackpool. I suspect should they start becoming perceptible, politically it would become too hot to carry on. Yes, I lived for 3 years in Christchurch, NZ. You've answered your own concerns within your post - ie that they will stop and review after any tremor >0.5 in the UK. And the point I've been trying to make is that you can't compare the Fylde cost with Olkahoma. Also doing a bit of reading - the USGS also say that only 1-2% of those tremors are likely to have been caused by fracking. https://earthquake.usgs.gov/research/induced/myths.php Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayjayoghani Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 not entirely convinced of the very precise figure they conjure up.. anyway, interesting that they blame the eq's more on wastewater from oil wells! so still man made Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent_white Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 3 minutes ago, jayjayoghani said: not entirely convinced of the very precise figure they conjure up.. anyway, interesting that they blame the eq's more on wastewater from oil wells! so still man made You can't quote figures from them when you think it suits your argument and then dismiss them when it doesn't. Anyway - when we get a magnitude 8 next year I reserve the right to change my mind and come and live in your spare room! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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