Take Over

[Sluffy]

3 hours ago, Tombwfc said:

No amount of afternoons spent on Companies House are going to prove that, actually, Ken was in the right all along. Give it up.

I realise that some people, you in particular, will always be negative to anything I write, simply because they enjoy shooting the messenger rather than listening to the message.

I did make it abundantly clear in BOTH my posts that I was very much surprised with what I discovered in the timeline of payments and queried whether that could actually have been the case or whether it was explainable by how the procedural process of recording the various transactions worked - and that my devoted follower is why I posted this - 

"Did he really put £5m of his own money into the club (which is still there!) or was there some sort procedural process that explains the out of sequence of BM  being paid before the club received Ken's £5m?".

 

I do see the irony between us though, you clearly believe me some super fan of Ken Anderson, and a defender of all he says and does but I'm not, that's just your perception of me, I simply seek to see both sides of the story, whereas it is you who are actually the one with the obsessive nature, being dismissive of anyone (me in particular) whom you have marked down as some sort of Ken lover, no matter what they say or post!

Thankfully Mr Anderson will soon be out of the club in a few days and hopefully your seeming hostility will then cease as we both move on to talk about the future of the club without him.

I do hope so anyway.

Life's to short.

Edited May 11, 2019 by Sluffy
Not enough words in original post.

[Dr Faustus]

15 minutes ago, Sluffy said:

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Bloody, from the ridiculous to the sublime!

[Sluffy]

2 hours ago, wakey said:

You're confusing the date the charge was registered with the date the cash moved and coming to entirely the wrong conclusion Sluffy.

As for the £13m shortfall, read the quote you used. At that point £13m included c£5m to BM plus loans from BW and PBP plus other creditors all due in the next year ... plus losses.

There's an irony in using a second hand quote from Mark Iles as evidence to support Ken even if you'd used it accurately.

Ken's history, let's all move on instead of rehashing the same old debates ... clean slates and all that. (will save you a chunk of time on companies house as well )

Yet another one who seems to like to pull me up from time to time, certainly feels like it even if it isn't intended as such.

As I've said on my edited post above I've not confused anything, I went so far as to state in the post you replied to that I wasn't fully sure what how the procedure and timings of  the recordings actually pan out - and that's why I questioned it myself!

"Did he really put £5m of his own money into the club (which is still there!) or was there some sort procedural process that explains the out of sequence of BM  being paid before the club received Ken's £5m?". 

As for Iles quote, I did consider the irony of using it at the time but my intent was to show the indicative view of the esteemed journalist at the time of the BM potential Administration threat some 8/9 months ago, being a massive funding gap was going to hit us within a year - and a massive funding gap actually hitting us 8/9 months later, yet people (not necessarily on this forum) still wondering why the club hasn't been paying the players, staff and everybody else for quite a while?

I do agree that Ken is all but history and would be more than happy to put him behind us but on this occasion all I've done was to answer another's posters question the best I could (I note nobody else has attempted to do it) mention a few anomalies I found whilst doing so and even openly asking for other posters input as to correcting what I had put.  How fairer and open than that could I be?

If you were simply attempting to be helpful in this respect then thank you and I do apologise as your post seems to have come across to me as some sort of rebuke over some people's apparent established view of me that I somehow can see no wrong in Ken Anderson.

Onwards and upwards for all of us from now on hopefully.

[Mantra]

What do we make of Mark Taylor’s public statements to the Bolton News yesterday about these investors? 

Not the first time a group has shown public interest. Gaspard said they were on the verge of a deal and told the BN and now seem to have disappeared, so I don’t want to read too much into it.

But Mark Taylor being previously involved with BWFC, confirming the interest and having shown previous interest, does that lend much credibility? Don’t want to get my hopes up but does seem somewhat more reputable than FV and Gaspard.

Not sure what people have to gain from public statements, unless Shandong Luneng just want some quick PR but seems a bit of a stretch.

Not really sure what to make if it. Nixon seems to think they’re serious. Iles reserving his judgement slightly more. Just trying to dissect the quotes from Taylor, saying he’s introduced investors before unsuccessfully, but this has focussed matters and the supporters need a boost.

Not that he’s making any promises but it does seem to be some fairly positive statements and doesn’t seem that getting fans on board does much in an admin situation, other than potentially convincing the supporters trust to stand aside... that’s one ulterior motive I can think of but, overall I’m rather astounded that a group of this level would be interested in us.

Perhaps its a group that are linked to Shandong but aren’t the full company representatives... 

All speculation at this point but interested to hear peoples’ thoughts...

[Wanderlust]

10 minutes ago, Mantra said:

What do we make of Mark Taylor’s public statements to the Bolton News yesterday about these investors? 

Not the first time a group has shown public interest. Gaspard said they were on the verge of a deal and told the BN and now seem to have disappeared, so I don’t want to read too much into it.

But Mark Taylor being previously involved with BWFC, confirming the interest and having shown previous interest, does that lend much credibility? Don’t want to get my hopes up but does seem somewhat more reputable than FV and Gaspard.

Not sure what people have to gain from public statements, unless Shandong Luneng just want some quick PR but seems a bit of a stretch.

Not really sure what to make if it. Nixon seems to think they’re serious. Iles reserving his judgement slightly more. Just trying to dissect the quotes from Taylor, saying he’s introduced investors before unsuccessfully, but this has focussed matters and the supporters need a boost.

Not that he’s making any promises but it does seem to be some fairly positive statements and doesn’t seem that getting fans on board does much in an admin situation, other than potentially convincing the supporters trust to stand aside... that’s one ulterior motive I can think of but, overall I’m rather astounded that a group of this level would be interested in us.

Perhaps its a group that are linked to Shandong but aren’t the full company representatives... 

All speculation at this point but interested to hear peoples’ thoughts...

It's difficult to assess really. There are several things that make it feasible especially it being Taylor who is involved and Shandong's interest in football - without which it's unlikely the journos wouldn't have jumped on it  - but the main problem is that we have nothing to go on regarding the level of interest,  the discussions between the various parties or "what they're thinking".

It's easy to throw out a story, but they surely know that thousands of fans will be dissecting every word, whereas in reality we have no track on what's happening in the boardrooms so we'll just have to see how it plays out.

[Casino]

How Do they get access to the stadium

Somebody must give them permission?

[Dr Faustus]

3 minutes ago, Mr Grey said:

Jackie Chan was with Them, they soon opened the fucking gates 😀

Did he pick up that paint? 

[Mantra]

11 minutes ago, Casino said:

How Do they get access to the stadium

Somebody must give them permission?

I was wondering why they’re looking at it before an administrator is appointed, who is showing them round? Aldridge? The administrator? All a bit odd.

 

22 minutes ago, Hoppy510 said:

It's difficult to assess really. There are several things that make it feasible especially it being Taylor who is involved and Shandong's interest in football - without which it's unlikely the journos wouldn't have jumped on it  - but the main problem is that we have nothing to go on regarding the level of interest,  the discussions between the various parties or "what they're thinking".

It's easy to throw out a story, but they surely know that thousands of fans will be dissecting every word, whereas in reality we have no track on what's happening in the boardrooms so we'll just have to see how it plays out.

Yeah I see what you’re saying. Some good noises surrounding their bid but who knows what their true intentions are? I feel like there’ll be plenty more twists and turns to come yet with statements from bidders and such and would imagine this will drag on until the Supporters Trust have had their 3 weeks. Not sure why but I can’t see them waiving their right to try and buy the club.

[masi 51]

Howard seems to have gone quiet again.....

[sleepingindian]

2 minutes ago, Mantra said:

I was wondering why they’re looking at it before an administrator is appointed, who is showing them round? Aldridge? The administrator? All a bit odd.

 

Yeah I see what you’re saying. Some good noises surrounding their bid but who knows what their true intentions are? I feel like there’ll be plenty more twists and turns to come yet with statements from bidders and such and would imagine this will drag on until the Supporters Trust have had their 3 weeks. Not sure why but I can’t see them waiving their right to try and buy the club.

cant see how ST can afford us and sustain us. hope they will just assist. and let the real bidders go for it, if they want they can always keep bassini distracted so he cant bidd for us.

 

[radcliffe white]

9 minutes ago, masi 51 said:

Howard seems to have gone quiet again.....

Nice weather & weekend 

be getting on session 

[Sluffy]

Some interesting comments from the ST's Ian Bridge on this 15 minute interview yesterday.

He clearly stated that

- the ST does NOT have 21 days exclusivity from the Administrator from when the club is put into Administration,

- are NOT looking to buy the club - so presumably there would be no need for anyone to join in with the ST in order to get first dibs on the club?

- WILL not prevent any other reasonable purchaser from buying the club within the 21 days. 

- he stated though that the Administrator has to market the club for sale for 21days - so I am unsure if he's saying Pre Pact Admin can come into being without having to wait three weeks, or not? An apparent contradiction/miscommunication from him on this point?

- He also more or less admitted that there were NOT any 'high net worth's' available to buy the club even out of Administration and put out a plea for anyone to join them in raising a local bid.

I'm not having a pop at him or the ST but it does seem to put to bed some of the things we have been led to believe in the past (dare I say even been told as such from the ST themselves previously?).

The interesting stuff is from about 7 minutes in.

Worth a listen imo, particularly if you just start around the seven minute mark.

 

[anthonyj]

44 minutes ago, Casino said:

How Do they get access to the stadium

Somebody must give them permission?

If you've got a chink at your window you'll soon have another at your door. Coz mister Wu's an air raid warden now 😂😂😂

George Formby

Edited May 11, 2019 by anthonyj

[Tommy Banks]

21 days from when administration is stated, before a sale can conclude, don’t think I’ve got the staying power for that

[Mantra]

32 minutes ago, Tommy Banks said:

21 days from when administration is stated, before a sale can conclude, don’t think I’ve got the staying power for that

You've come this far. Wait and see if we end up with Chinese billionaires, another chancer or somewhere in between.

[leadfrog1]

I suggest people forget about football for a few weeks and enjoy the decent weather. That's what I'm doing cba with it anymore, feel burned out just thinking of all the bs. 

[Tommy Banks]

12 minutes ago, Mantra said:

You've come this far. Wait and see if we end up with Chinese billionaires, another chancer or somewhere in between.

You’re right ,but like everyone else I would just like it over and one with. Never mind the sun is shining, time for a beer or three.

[DLH]

Shandong Luneng stuff may go nowhere, but they’re back for a sniff having previously been put off trying to deal with KA... said it god knows how many pages back, the only bit of ITK I have is dealing with him put people off... serious people don’t want to be taken for a ride and he kept trying that. Howard alluded to it, and reading between the lines Taylor is alluding to it in his quotes about focusing the mind.

I’m remarkably at ease if/when admin happens, people will come in for us who were interested before because they no longer have to deal with KA... no idea who or if they’ll be any good for us but it’ll be reet... 

 

[Tommy Banks]

19 minutes ago, DLH said:

Shandong Luneng stuff may go nowhere, but they’re back for a sniff having previously been put off trying to deal with KA... said it god knows how many pages back, the only bit of ITK I have is dealing with him put people off... serious people don’t want to be taken for a ride and he kept trying that. Howard alluded to it, and reading between the lines Taylor is alluding to it in his quotes about focusing the mind.

I’m remarkably at ease if/when admin happens, people will come in for us who were interested before because they no longer have to deal with KA... no idea who or if they’ll be any good for us but it’ll be reet... 

 

Hope you’re right 

[Mantra]

I'm just hoping we do go into admin on Monday/Tuesday as journos are suggesting, what the club say and do are very far apart sometimes. Granted, now the EDT are involved though, I am more convinced we will go into admin, than if Ken Anderson had done this himself.

[passmosster]

6 minutes ago, Mantra said:

I'm just hoping we do go into admin on Monday/Tuesday as journos are suggesting, what the club say and do are very far apart sometimes. Granted, now the EDT are involved though, I am more convinced we will go into admin, than if Ken Anderson had done this himself.

If someone with serious bucks were involved, wouldn't they do a deal with creditors to avoid the 12 point penalty?

[Burndens Bogs]

1 hour ago, leadfrog1 said:

I suggest people forget about football for a few weeks and enjoy the decent weather. That's what I'm doing cba with it anymore, feel burned out just thinking of all the bs. 

You'll miss this thread when it's gone.

The softener will be being owned  by Chinese billionaires - hopefully.

I remember being told about the wealthy Chinese interest months ago, but they couldn't deal with KA apparently.

We live in hope.

[Mantra]

20 minutes ago, passmosster said:

If someone with serious bucks were involved, wouldn't they do a deal with creditors to avoid the 12 point penalty?

Potentially, but apparently they didn't like dealing with Ken (surprise surprise), so that scuppers that. And even ignoring Ken, they get it 20 odd million cheaper if they wait till admin. Even for super rich folk, saving 20 million for a club in crisis is probably worth waiting for.

Edited May 11, 2019 by Mantra

[mickbrown]

You don’t get to be billionaires by spaffing 20million up a wall if you don’t have to

[Boby Brno]

1 hour ago, DLH said:

Shandong Luneng stuff may go nowhere, but they’re back for a sniff having previously been put off trying to deal with KA... said it god knows how many pages back, the only bit of ITK I have is dealing with him put people off... serious people don’t want to be taken for a ride and he kept trying that. Howard alluded to it, and reading between the lines Taylor is alluding to it in his quotes about focusing the mind.

I’m remarkably at ease if/when admin happens, people will come in for us who were interested before because they no longer have to deal with KA... no idea who or if they’ll be any good for us but it’ll be reet... 

 

I have mentioned previously about a customer of mine who has had previous dealings with KA. He was also involved with the Chinese takeover of Northampton.

He told me two years ago that another Chinese consortium were interested in BWFC but they would not deal with KA.