Coronavirus

[Zico]

57 minutes ago, Casino said:

Three of my thoughts, feel free to rip to bits

Death rate won't be so bad this time as lots of the most vulnerable died first time around and this time we will protect care homes better

Loads more have had it than we think

If you cant/won't wear a mask, stay out of shops. Shop online

 

All potentially true

But infection rates and hospital admissions are back on the up

There has to be a reason for that

And i think it's because lots of people are bored and don't care anymore 

Time will tell

But in any case, I think it's a bad thing, and it needs sorting

best to proceed with caution imo

Caution doesn't mean shutting everything down again

But Folk have been given a chance, and its not working

Edited September 30, 2020 by ZicoKelly

[gonzo]

33 minutes ago, peelyfeet said:

Death rates won't be as high per day because of loads of reasons.

 

Such as?

[Zico]

1 minute ago, gonzo said:

Youd be moaning if youd just spent £9k for a zoom course.

Most of them won't pay it back anyway

I was a student once

Its not their education they're bothered about, it's the opportunity to get out of their parents house, get on it and shag around, that's what they're missing out on

And I get totally get that

I'd be livid too

 

[gonzo]

Just now, ZicoKelly said:

All potentially true

But infection rates and hospital admissions are back on the up

There has to be a reason for that

And i think it's because lots of people are bored and don't care anymore 

Time will tell

But in any case, I think it's a bad thing, and it needs sorting

Time will tell, but best to proceed with caution imo

Caution doesn't mean shutting everything down again

But Folk have been given a chance, and its not working

Theyre on the up because weve just sent thousands of students across the country for a free for all and all kids went back to school.

The 2.8% of cases from pubs probably due to help out to eat out.

There was always going to be rises. Imo theres just no need to shit our pants at the first sign of trouble.

[gonzo]

1 minute ago, ZicoKelly said:

Most of them won't pay it back anyway

I was a student once

Its not their education they're bothered about, it's the opportunity to get out of their parents house, get on it and shag around, that's what they're missing out on

And I get totally get that

I'd be livid too

 

Quite a sweeping generalisation there mate.

[Zico]

Just now, gonzo said:

Theyre on the up because weve just sent thousands of students across the country for a free for all and all kids went back to school.

The 2.8% of cases from pubs probably due to help out to eat out.

There was always going to be rises. Imo theres just no need to shit our pants at the first sign of trouble.

I agree, it needs to be considered and consistent

Its cunts like this that can fuck off

 

[Zico]

2 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Quite a sweeping generalisation there mate.

Like i said, i used to be one

[ErnestTurnip]

Students are in for around 9.25k for fees and a year contract for digs they can't get out of for around 5k. 

They would have never gone in if the cash till wasn't ringing.

[only1swanny]

6 minutes ago, ErnestTurnip said:

Students are in for around 9.25k for fees and a year contract for digs they can't get out of for around 5k. 

They would have never gone in if the cash till wasn't ringing.

Uni are trying to charge me 1800 for my dissertation.  

All done via distance,  I would have been better doing open university 

[Alf Hartigan]

1 hour ago, little whitt said:

shoot them in the street 

Is that a euphemism or has your spell in Germany increased your dislike?

[peelyfeet]

19 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Such as?

no Boris shaking hospital patients hands

Test and Trace improves isolation numbers 

Masks reduce transmission and viral load

Some folk distance properly

Less infection coming in from abroad

Covid act enables government to act faster

monitoring of spikes is miles better enabling govmt to act faster

no PPE shortage

Triage is faster and better

hosipital staff are used to it

treatment is better - dexamethoasone, proning etc.

 

BUT, if we reduce the daily rate for example by a quarter, but the spike last 4 times as long, the same amount of folk die.

covid spreads best indoors in crowded spaces with poor ventilation - which is what we do a lot more often over the next 5 months than the last 7 weve been through. 

 

 

 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

2 hours ago, Casino said:

I thought bolton was alone in having pubs shut?

Technically, they're not shut, but restricted to take away only.

Others have slightly different restrictions in that you cant meet anyone beyond your household. 

Not quite the same, but still heavily restricted, and maybe there's a greater degree of compliance with regards to giving details etc. Remember the bottom bull?

There are slight differences within a lot of restrictions from place to place according to what local demands are- was mentioned in this afternoon's debate in the hoc.

We are not unique however in having extra restrictions beyond national level. 

Perhaps with our numbers falling, we might have some lifted soon- Burnham has asked the question. 

[Alf Hartigan]

2 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Technically, they're not shut, but restricted to take away only.

Others have slightly different restrictions in that you cant meet anyone beyond your household. 

Not quite the same, but still heavily restricted, and maybe there's a greater degree of compliance with regards to giving details etc. Remember the bottom bull?

There are slight differences within a lot of restrictions from place to place according to what local demands are- was mentioned in this afternoon's debate in the hoc.

We are not unique however in having extra restrictions beyond national level. 

Perhaps with our numbers falling, we might have some lifted soon- Burnham has asked the question. 

But no answer, Bolton's hospitality is being hung out

[Tonge moor green jacket]

4 minutes ago, Alf Hartigan said:

But no answer, Bolton's hospitality is being hung out

Maybe, but I see it as more likely other places will go this way as well if their rates continue to rise.

[Rudy]

[Alf Hartigan]

Just now, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Maybe, but I see it as more likely other places will go this way as well if their rates continue to rise.

I do too, just a shame that Bolton's hospitality has last a months income 

[Alf Hartigan]

Just now, Alf Hartigan said:

I do too, just a shame that Bolton's hospitality has last a months income 

lost even, where has the edit button gone?

 

[peelyfeet]

47 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Theyre on the up because weve just sent thousands of students across the country for a free for all and all kids went back to school.

The 2.8% of cases from pubs probably due to help out to eat out.

There was always going to be rises. Imo theres just no need to shit our pants at the first sign of trouble.

covid viral particles need hosts to jump into - they dont give a shit if you're in a pub or a hall of residence or an indian restaurant or a church or a brothel - they hang about in the air for a bit when there's poor ventilation, waiting for someone to breathe them in.

The government want as many people to continue working as is possible, so schools are going to stay open as long as possible, working from home is going to be for months, and industries that involve high levels of indoor social interaction will be first to go again if they see fit. Pubs, restaurants, indoor sport, cinema, barbers, museums, night clubs etc.

I dont believe that 2.8% is accurate, and I doubt the govmt do either, can't see pubs getting back to normal for a long time.

Edited September 30, 2020 by peelyfeet

[stevieb]

9 minutes ago, Rudy said:

Top man! 👍

[Casino]

36 minutes ago, Alf Hartigan said:

lost even, where has the edit button gone?

 

dots to the right of your name

[Zico]

10 minutes ago, Casino said:

dots to the right of your name

I keep accidentally editing quotes of myself

[gonzo]

7 hours ago, peelyfeet said:

covid viral particles need hosts to jump into - they dont give a shit if you're in a pub or a hall of residence or an indian restaurant or a church or a brothel - they hang about in the air for a bit when there's poor ventilation, waiting for someone to breathe them in.

The government want as many people to continue working as is possible, so schools are going to stay open as long as possible, working from home is going to be for months, and industries that involve high levels of indoor social interaction will be first to go again if they see fit. Pubs, restaurants, indoor sport, cinema, barbers, museums, night clubs etc.

I dont believe that 2.8% is accurate, and I doubt the govmt do either, can't see pubs getting back to normal for a long time.

I understand all that, but stevie wonder could see if rules are relaxed we are going to see spikes. 

We are going to have to deal with these spikes and live with them rather than shitting our pants every time numbers rise and pulling it back. 

Its not going anywhere and we will never stop it. Just keep it steady instead of knee jerk reactions at the first sign of trouble that just twats everybody's confidence, causes panic/revolt and nobody has a clue whats going on. Keep it simple ffs.

 

 

[only1swanny]

28 minutes ago, gonzo said:

I understand all that, but stevie wonder could see if rules are relaxed we are going to see spikes. 

We are going to have to deal with these spikes and live with them rather than shitting our pants every time numbers rise and pulling it back. 

Its not going anywhere and we will never stop it. Just keep it steady instead of knee jerk reactions at the first sign of trouble that just twats everybody's confidence, causes panic/revolt and nobody has a clue whats going on. Keep it simple ffs.

 

 

With schools being back, its inevitable to stop the spread, and they need to be back..

 

Problem is we now have a scenario where students have isolated for nearly the whole of September due to their close contacts testing positive. 

Also as they are only testing the symptomatic cases, there is a chance its rife in school without knowing such as what happened with Rainhill school. 

[gonzo]

1 minute ago, only1swanny said:

With schools being back, its inevitable to stop the spread, and they need to be back..

 

Problem is we now have a scenario where students have isolated for nearly the whole of September due to their close contacts testing positive. 

Also as they are only testing the symptomatic cases, there is a chance its rife in school without knowing such as what happened with Rainhill school. 

If they cant stop nits in school, they arent going to be able to stop this.

As long as parents make their kids behave once they get home why not just let them crack on with the restrictions already in place? Treat it, at school like any other ilness. 

If youre too ill, stay off obviously.

Outside of school, go straight home and avoid your grandparents. 

Why the fuck are schools sending year groups home because of one kid?

Its absolute madness.

 

 

[wiggy]

The way I look at it is that every single interaction between 2 people is a potential opportunity for the virus to spread. With the current restrictions it would seem as though the total number of social interactions is allowing an increase in the spread of the virus. If you think that we should be trying to slow the spread then the way we do that is to reduce the total number of interactions that are happening in any day / week etc. Personally I would rather not cut the interactions from planned hospital visits. I would rather not cut the interactions from children in school. So the simple question then becomes, which social interactions would you try and reduce?