Coronavirus

[Escobarp]

28 minutes ago, Nordkurve said:

I get where you are coming from. It's not the Governments fault when "Joe Bloggs" goes down the pub and generally not giving a fuck, but it is their job to make sure that the consequences of doing that make it so that the first time the Moron does it will be last, but it will never happen. All this talk of 10,000 quid fines. Has anyone had one or seen any reported yet ? There are plenty of people I know personally here who have had fines for various things related to the rules here, mostly regarding travelling in the same Car as someone outside your family, but that was grey area at the time because how would that work for bin men etc doing their job versus people who have to car share to actually get to work ? going back to the Ventilators, it's the same with these Nightingale Hospitals. Didn't they pull a few down already ? Why ? We could be in deep shit soon. The other thing with them was that it seems most of them didn't actually have any dedicated staff, so if you had anyone in them you had to use the Staff from the Hospital they were transferred from. not 100% sure on that one, but seen it reported to be the case from some NHS workers. Would like that to be not true by the way.

Agree with you but the word police is in essence down to the police to ensure. Give them the powers to do it but I don’t know why they’re not doing it currently as I believe they have the necessary powers to enforce already.  they just choose not to it would appear . Too busy “allegedly” 

[Zico]

1 minute ago, Escobarp said:

Agree with you but the word police is in essence down to the police to ensure. Give them the powers to do it but I don’t know why they’re not doing it currently as I believe they have the necessary powers to enforce already.  they just choose not to it would appear . Too busy “allegedly” 

Probably not enough of them either

[jules_darby]

2 hours ago, Nordkurve said:

I'm talking about the rule in Germany, not the UK. Some of my team have to have a Covid test either within 48 Hours of coming back to work here, or within 72 Hours of arriving here. During the time they are waiting for a test result they have to isolate. as soon as they get confirmation of a negative test they can come back to work. 

Ah with you; sorry I thought you meant the other way around 

[Escobarp]

1 hour ago, ZicoKelly said:

Probably not enough of them either

Agreed given the way society appears to be heading in terms of respect for the law we will need either more officers or tougher sanctions. But if more officers do the same “enforcing” as the current numbers it’s probably futile. It’s not suddenly going to make them stop and break up gangs or youths huddled together when currently they watch and drive on by without doing fuck all. Not sure it’s a numbers issue 

[birch-chorley]

Think they have some exceptions to the 14 day quarantine rule, not sure what they are, assume they are work related (imagine an Italian engineer coming over to fix a machine in a food production facility etc) 

Also Man City didn’t have to quarantine for 14 days when they came back from Lisbon

[Guest Nordkurve]

1 hour ago, Farrelli said:

A friend of mine runs a physio outpatients in an NHS London trust. She had to send a proportion of staff to the nightingale hospital even though there were no patients in it. She was livid as it left her with fewer staff in her busy normal wards. 

You see, that makes no sense at all. If the Nightingales purpose was for treating Covid patients you would need ICU qualified staff. The training this isn't something that can be done overnight, so to use qualified people means taking them from Hospitals. 

[Guest Nordkurve]

1 hour ago, Escobarp said:

Agree with you but the word police is in essence down to the police to ensure. Give them the powers to do it but I don’t know why they’re not doing it currently as I believe they have the necessary powers to enforce already.  they just choose not to it would appear . Too busy “allegedly” 

I thought that was why it was muted to use the Army to cover certain jobs that the Police had responsibility for in order to free up the Police to enforce the Covid laws, or was that just more bluster ? 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

2 minutes ago, birch-chorley said:

Think they have some exceptions to the 14 day quarantine rule, not sure what they are, assume they are work related (imagine an Italian engineer coming over to fix a machine in a food production facility etc) 

Also Man City didn’t have to quarantine for 14 days when they came back from Lisbon

Pretty sure footballers have a different set of regulations to adhere to. Part of conditions of play- frequent testing etc.

 

[Guest Nordkurve]

Just now, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Pretty sure footballers have a different set of regulations to adhere to. Part of conditions of play- frequent testing etc.

 

Yeh, but look at how many are testing positive. A couple of Celtic players at least in the last few days as an example tested positive after travelling for International duty. Internationals going ahead at this time is absolute bollocks. 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/fixed-penalty-fines-police-manchester-19025305.amp

1st October this article. Says over 18000 fines given out in England and Wales.

Is this a lot, dunno.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

1 minute ago, Nordkurve said:

Yeh, but look at how many are testing positive. A couple of Celtic players at least in the last few days as an example tested positive after travelling for International duty. Internationals going ahead at this time is absolute bollocks. 

Indeed, bound to happen as more cases occur generally. Footballers still have families etc and aren't free from contact with non football folk.

Presumably their conditions are more stringent than the general public in order for the games to take place.

[fatolive]

Not sure if this means the results are also double counted? 

Calling nose swab  and the saliva tests done at the same time on the same patient as two tests ? 

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/tens-thousands-coronavirus-tests-have-double-counted-officials/amp/?fbclid=IwAR10HHuT7W9-untDEaDhR3CTbadvuVxLZMFmd_EyFGCf7whsAJQB8dbnMJc

[Zico]

1 hour ago, Escobarp said:

Agreed given the way society appears to be heading in terms of respect for the law we will need either more officers or tougher sanctions. But if more officers do the same “enforcing” as the current numbers it’s probably futile. It’s not suddenly going to make them stop and break up gangs or youths huddled together when currently they watch and drive on by without doing fuck all. Not sure it’s a numbers issue 

Tell you what though, at alton towers today, seen more cops here than i have in months on our local streets

Probably because loads of groups of young uns

Most seem to be wearing masks whether required or not

Edit just seen 4 them on to join queue for Oblivion them take them off again once round the corner

Edited October 11, 2020 by ZicoKelly

[Escobarp]

18 minutes ago, ZicoKelly said:

Tell you what though, at alton towers today, seen more cops here than i have in months on our local streets

Probably because loads of groups of young uns

Most seem to be wearing masks whether required or not

Edit just seen 4 them on to join queue for Oblivion them take them off again once round the corner

I’ve just been in the supermarket and 4 kids probably around 12ish not wearing masks as Is their right.  Stood in queue right up behind a woman and her young child both wearing masks. She politely asked the kids to stand away and stay at a distance. One told her to “fuck off I will do what I want” the rest laughed and didn’t move. 
 

Whilst  being mindful they are young kids but also mindful they’ve just told a polite woman to fuck off  I had a word and asked them not so politely to move away from the woman. What sort of values do parents instill in their kids to have them behave like that. I was a twat when I was a kid but I always had manners and respect for grown ups otherwise I got leathered if my dad found out. 

[dave2980]

2 hours ago, birch-chorley said:

Think they have some exceptions to the 14 day quarantine rule, not sure what they are, assume they are work related (imagine an Italian engineer coming over to fix a machine in a food production facility etc) 

Also Man City didn’t have to quarantine for 14 days when they came back from Lisbon

Elite athletes are on the list of those exempt from quarantine 

[Winchester White]

33 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

I’ve just been in the supermarket and 4 kids probably around 12ish not wearing masks as Is their right.  Stood in queue right up behind a woman and her young child both wearing masks. She politely asked the kids to stand away and stay at a distance. One told her to “fuck off I will do what I want” the rest laughed and didn’t move. 
 

Whilst  being mindful they are young kids but also mindful they’ve just told a polite woman to fuck off  I had a word and asked them not so politely to move away from the woman. What sort of values do parents instill in their kids to have them behave like that. I was a twat when I was a kid but I always had manners and respect for grown ups otherwise I got leathered if my dad found out. 

Did you go all Begby on the little shits?

[Escobarp]

8 minutes ago, Winchester White said:

Did you go all Begby on the little shits?

😂 not quite and it doesn’t sound so menacing in a north west accent anyhow 

[only1swanny]

Miami white mentioned the other day about Antibody tests and the LSE,

 

They are now available to order on the gov.uk website, for NHS and care staff, and education staff.

 

edit: Antibody, not antivirus d'oh 

Edited October 11, 2020 by only1swanny

[tyldesley_white]

5 hours ago, Nordkurve said:

Anyone arriving from anywhere classed as "unsafe" can get a test immediately for free at the Airport or a Doctors or Health clinic, plus some other places like major Border crossings. Anyone else who lives or works here can get a test for free even without Symptoms, as the Government and RKI are actually trying to find people who have "had" Covid who didn't realize they had it. It doesn't take any longer than a day, usually maximum 12 hours to get the result. We have a situation where some guys who live in Berlin but work in Leipzig on the 4 on/4 off shift have to have a test now every time they come back to work as berlin is classed as a high risk area at the moment, so they get tested the day before they come back and provide the Certificate. It's not exactly a good thing because if they picked it up the day before they come back it wouldn't show on that test, but, in work each crew is split now in to bubbles of people (4 or 5 five max) that never interact with the other bubbles, so different start/finish times, different break times, not working on the same Aircraft or area of the Aircraft on the larger ones etc. Masks are worn everywhere in work now if you are any closer than 1.5 meter from another person, so pretty much everywhere. All work spaces in the offices are distanced and screens set up where desks face each other even with the distancing. They just try to make it work as best as possible. Most of the Admin people are home office and most Ops meetings are done with Skype/Zoom. We had a meeting last week where the Customer rocked up with six people, so we told them to go back to their office and do it via Skype. Even here there are some Muppets who don't want  to do it right. 

yOu are supposed to fill this in before traveling to the UK

https://www.gov.uk/provide-journey-contact-details-before-travel-uk?fbclid=IwAR2-KJVEOTqv1fHgGnPY0hE79MbI6d0xRdLpueafy4zg618jb4qKBVb6Vx0

[jules_darby]

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-liverpool-faces-tier-3-lockdown-pubs-bars-and-gyms-expected-to-close-12101965
 

Manchester next

[Marc505]

Fucking shutting the gym? Cleanest place I've been in since lockdown finished is the gym, mental. 

[Casino]

Something id lije to know

How did GManchesters figuresearly august when we went in special measures, co pare with current figures down south?

My perception is they think they can do whatever the fuck they like with us nothern plebs

Might be wrong, so do we have figures?

Also, we are told that meeting in the home is very high risk....so whats the justification for a blanket closing of bars and pubs....if will just push social gatherings into homes

[gonzo]

25 minutes ago, Marc505 said:

Fucking shutting the gym? Cleanest place I've been in since lockdown finished is the gym, mental. 

Absolutely ridiculous if they close the gyms

[Marc505]

3 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Absolutely ridiculous if they close the gyms

Makes no sense whatsoever. They base their decisions on stats and figures supposedly, yet the number of cases linked to gyms is minuscule. They can pay lip service all they want to keeping the country fit and healthy, but keeping fast food places open while shutting gyms? Fuck. Off.

[Escobarp]

At least wee Jimmy has had the sense to leave them open (for now)