Moderators Casino Posted October 12, 2020 Moderators Share Posted October 12, 2020 27 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: They're the GM conditions, which we only just gone back into. The stricter, Bolton specific ones, were different. If they vote the new system down, we'll stick with them. They're what we were in at weekend Pubs safer than gardens Now gardens safer than pubs They're shit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted October 12, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted October 12, 2020 6 minutes ago, gonzo said: Is there any need for that? Im not some mad cunt sat with a tinfoil hat on making shit up. That figure has been bounded about by pretty relelvent people. Theres a reason figure heads like Sasha Lord and Andy Burnham are backing legal challenges to stop the hospitality sector getting battered. I personally think its an easy target, obviously because they want to keep uni's , workplaces and schools up and running. Its based on that, not data and certianly not risk. In reply to esco, this virus is spread most in hosptials, carehomes, universities and the workplace. Thats where I see the problem is. To me pubs are drop in the ocean when it comes to the virus being transmitted, most are bang on with the restrictions. The curfew just makes a mockery of the whole thing. If the industry is fearing such losses, theyd be better served not wasting their money on costly lawyers and use it to help their businesses. Its been pointed out the reality of the figures, as has the pyramid effect of infections from pubs etc. Experience from previous closures during the first lockdown and subsequent Bolton specific lockdown showed cases dropping after such actions. Its also used the world over as a tool when cases get high. As shit as it maybe, its here to stay until numbers are down. I just cannot see how any judge could consider the measures to be unlawful, so its money for old rope for the legal bods. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted October 12, 2020 Moderators Share Posted October 12, 2020 What happens when covid 21 comes along in 18 months Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members Rudy Posted October 12, 2020 Author Members Share Posted October 12, 2020 4 minutes ago, Escobarp said: Oh and for completeness. The curfew is the most ridiculous thing I’ve seen since this started. Makes no difference and arguably makes it worse. Yeah I don’t get the thinking behind a curfew Everyone spills out of the boozer at the same time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted October 12, 2020 Moderators Share Posted October 12, 2020 1 minute ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: If the industry is fearing such losses, theyd be better served not wasting their money on costly lawyers and use it to help their businesses. Its been pointed out the reality of the figures, as has the pyramid effect of infections from pubs etc. Experience from previous closures during the first lockdown and subsequent Bolton specific lockdown showed cases dropping after such actions. Its also used the world over as a tool when cases get high. As shit as it maybe, its here to stay until numbers are down. I just cannot see how any judge could consider the measures to be unlawful, so its money for old rope for the legal bods. Aye, and what person wants to waste time taking a government to court when time and effort needs to be spent elsewhere? Every ones efforts needs to be on compliance, track and trace, and testing I fear we're too far gone though Too late to lockdown, too lax during lockdown, too early to come out and a clear disregard from those in power You reap what you sow, and that is aimed at the government more than it is the people You can't demand common sense from the public when you the powers that be don't display it either They said at the beginning covid fatigue would kick in And here we are Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted October 12, 2020 Moderators Share Posted October 12, 2020 3 minutes ago, Casino said: What happens when covid 21 comes along in 18 months Same again, but less Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted October 12, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted October 12, 2020 1 minute ago, Casino said: They're what we were in at weekend Pubs safer than gardens Now gardens safer than pubs They're shit I'm aware that's what we were in at the weekend. The GM conditions as I said. As weird as a shift now might seem, I can sort of see the point. The idea that pubs were more covid compliant than gardens was, and probably is still true- especially if you have all and sundry traipsing through your house to got to the bog. Now, there isn't much change to the pub scenario- you can still go. You can go in a garden now, but in reality given the time of year, not likely that too many garden parties will be going on. So they can open this up a bit, without necessarily introducing too much risk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted October 12, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted October 12, 2020 5 minutes ago, Mr Grey said: More's the pity, I hear Alcohol keeps covid away 😁 Don't you have your own little stash in your office? Thee was a guy that worked at the university I worked at. A member of the estates team. He was known as a big drinker, stunk all day of the stuff and probably wasn't fit for work. In the end, it killed him. Along the corridors were all sorts of doors into little storage rooms/cupboards. Eventually someone opened one, and uncovered the poor sod's stash as all manner of bottles came tumbling out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted October 12, 2020 Site Supporter Share Posted October 12, 2020 7 minutes ago, ZicoKelly said: Same again, but less Covid 21 in 18 months. Another anticlockwise moment this- 18 months will be covid 22. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 11 minutes ago, Rudy said: Yeah I don’t get the thinking behind a curfew Everyone spills out of the boozer at the same time Tbf in a lot of pubs that’s the case after last orders anyways. But 10pm is just silly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peelyfeet Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 (edited) 54 minutes ago, gonzo said: Is there any need for that? Im not some mad cunt sat with a tinfoil hat on making shit up. That figure has been bounded about by pretty relelvent people. Theres a reason figure heads like Sasha Lord and Andy Burnham are backing legal challenges to stop the hospitality sector getting battered. I personally think its an easy target, obviously because they want to keep uni's , workplaces and schools up and running. Its based on that, not data and certianly not risk. In reply to esco, this virus is spread most in hosptials, carehomes, universities and the workplace. Thats where I see the problem is. To me pubs are drop in the ocean when it comes to the virus being transmitted, most are bang on with the restrictions. The curfew just makes a mockery of the whole thing. Its not 4% mate. Its really, really not. The govmt ain't said its 4%. It was published by the hospitality union, and they ignored 2 pages of supporting information from the report they took the 4% from and instead focused on half a page. Its 30 odd cases that they've been able trace out of over 100k in a week. The data used to make up the 4% is taken from 700 odd incidents out of over 100k. So if the folk who made up the 4% had painted the whole picture and instead said "the government have provided data showing how 0.7% of the cases in a week have been traced, and 0.03% is pubs, and by the way, when we ask infected folk where they've been on days when they most likely caught covid, pubs/restaurants is number 2 on the list" it would be realistic, but it doesn't sound as good for pubs, so they didn't, and the govmt already know. Edited October 12, 2020 by peelyfeet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiggy Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 Saw a number of interviews with people over the weekend which went along these lines... Should we be closing hospitality? No. Do you accept we need to change something? Yes. What should we change? I don’t know. I’d be happy to leave everything open if people can suggest sensible alternatives. But I’m not sure there are any. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 (edited) Today’s increased lockdowns were first recommended to be actioned mid September by the SAGE group, think Labour will be all over this at PMs questions. Edited October 12, 2020 by Mounts Kipper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted October 12, 2020 Moderators Share Posted October 12, 2020 36 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Covid 21 in 18 months. Another anticlockwise moment this- 18 months will be covid 22. Reminds me of Marc Park and Christmas 2000 being released in 1999 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted October 12, 2020 Moderators Share Posted October 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said: Today’s increased lockdowns were first recommended to be actioned mid September by the SAGE group, think Labour will be all over this at PMs questions. Tbf to the useless twats, they've maybe left it too late again but if they think its in til spring, I've some sympathy Plenty sympathy tbh They're still shit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 Labour fully aware at the time I imagine as will all the major party leaders Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mickbrown Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 48 minutes ago, Rudy said: Yeah I don’t get the thinking behind a curfew Everyone spills out of the boozer at the same time And they all start earlier, as my shittest ever pub crawl the other week proved Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peelyfeet Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 13 minutes ago, wiggy said: Saw a number of interviews with people over the weekend which went along these lines... Should we be closing hospitality? No. Do you accept we need to change something? Yes. What should we change? I don’t know. I’d be happy to leave everything open if people can suggest sensible alternatives. But I’m not sure there are any. Make all the pubs/restaurants reduce indoor seating, and increase outdoor. Any who aint got the space, subsidise them, let them use the pavement, part of the street Just like they've done in new york. Make a shit load of covered seating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Wanderer Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 1 hour ago, gonzo said: Im not some mad cunt sat with a tinfoil hat on making shit up. So you don't think China have manufactured a virus to infect the world & crash western economies for their own gain? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 Just now, London Wanderer said: So you don't think China have manufactured a virus to infect the world & crash western economies for their own gain? It’s the truth how’s China’s case numbers at the minute? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted October 12, 2020 Moderators Share Posted October 12, 2020 20 minutes ago, Escobarp said: It’s the truth how’s China’s case numbers at the minute? Low But they welded people's doors shut to stop them going out, apparently Just watching the news SAGE reckons our approach isn't strict enough! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Escobarp Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, ZicoKelly said: Low But they welded people's doors shut to stop them going out, apparently Just watching the news SAGE reckons our approach isn't strict enough! Yep government are going against sage advice. Sage would have us in full lockdown ASAP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ani Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 21 minutes ago, Escobarp said: Yep government are going against sage advice. Sage would have us in full lockdown ASAP. Do SAGE advise purely on the best actions for controlling the virus but with no concern about the economy ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 6 hours ago, Ani said: Do SAGE advise purely on the best actions for controlling the virus but with no concern about the economy ? One trick ponies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted October 13, 2020 Moderators Share Posted October 13, 2020 8 hours ago, Ani said: Do SAGE advise purely on the best actions for controlling the virus but with no concern about the economy ? Maybe https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54518002 But sounds like the current approach will just drag things out further Which probably has a longer term impact on everything Short term pain, long term gain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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