Coronavirus

[Boby Brno]

27 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

Throw all the over 65's under a bus? You're all heart🤥

People are underestimating the power and importance of the Grey Pound to the economy.

Edited October 27, 2020 by Boby Brno

[Escobarp]

2 minutes ago, Boby Brno said:

People are underestimating the power of the Grey Pound to the economy.

People aren’t underestimating that cost of keeping by them protected now though. I know which figure is higher I think 

[gonzo]

36 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

Throw all the over 65's under a bus? You're all heart🤥

You lot have lived through world wars, 3 day weeks and eating coal for breakfast.

Bit of a poxy virus is naff all.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

6 minutes ago, gonzo said:

You lot have lived through world wars, 3 day weeks and eating coal for breakfast.

Bit of a poxy virus is naff all.

Kids were hungry too...

[Zico]

just had a call with a colleague in Melbourne

they've had 120 days of strict stay at home lockdown

ends tomorrow, with no new cases reported in the last few days

her take on it: "I actually think our lazy Australian mentally of ’it’ll be right mate, no worries’ has made us too lazy to fight the lockdowns and has actually saved us"

[Boby Brno]

19 minutes ago, gonzo said:

You lot have lived through world wars, 3 day weeks and eating coal for breakfast.

Bit of a poxy virus is naff all.

Would that be the Falkland and Iraq wars?😊

[Escobarp]

9 minutes ago, ZicoKelly said:

just had a call with a colleague in Melbourne

they've had 120 days of strict stay at home lockdown

ends tomorrow, with no new cases reported in the last few days

her take on it: "I actually think our lazy Australian mentally of ’it’ll be right mate, no worries’ has made us too lazy to fight the lockdowns and has actually saved us"

HBAHT?

[birch-chorley]

21 minutes ago, gonzo said:

You lot have lived through world wars, 3 day weeks and eating coal for breakfast.

Bit of a poxy virus is naff all.

They lived through Hong Kong flu pandemic in the 60’s too, however nobody lost their job over that one 

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Mounts Kipper said:

I will just leave this here.  

A report commissioned by Labour and led by social justice campaigner Lady Lawrence has blamed decades of structural discrimination for the disproportionate impact coronavirus has had on black, Asian and minority ethnic communities. Lady Lawrence cites things such as barriers to healthcare and worse employment prospects, which leave non-white people more vulnerable. She's made 19 recommendations for ministers, but a government spokesman said it was important not to automatically assume disparities were "evidence of discrimination or unfair treatment".

Socialists taking advantage of a crisis shock

[birch-chorley]

1 hour ago, Farrelli said:

Researchers from UCL show that antibodies decline rapidly in those previously affected, especially in over 65s. 

Therefore herd immunity is just not realistic and re-infection is possible. It is hoped any vaccine will be more efficient in immunisation but it may be necessary to give boosters every six months or so.

That should be enough to show that we can’t just ‘crack on’ as we won’t get herd immunity and people are even more vulnerable to a second infection. 

Ok, so when do you call it a day for the current strategy? 

The way we are going, the government would eventually run out of money meaning Teachers, Doctor's, Nurses don’t get paid and they don’t turn up for work. How close to bankruptcy would you like to take the country before entertaining a plan B? 

I think the current economic impact will already lead us to huge spending cuts and a diminished health service for decades to come, that's if we change course now 

[Carlos]

We don't run out of money as we are massively in debt already. We just borrow more.

[Sweep]

1 minute ago, Carlos said:

We don't run out of money as we are massively in debt already. We just borrow more.

Correct, we'll just keep borrowing and borrowing.

No matter what anybody thinks, we're not going to start chucking the oldies/vulnerable under the bus and start cracking on in the hope of herd immunity (that may or may not exist with this virus) - we're going to remain in the current situation of local lockdowns and various tiers of lockdown for the next 12-18 months

[birch-chorley]

4 minutes ago, Carlos said:

We don't run out of money as we are massively in debt already. We just borrow more.

Eventually the markets stop borrowing you money 

Rates are good now but will they be in the future 

This pandemic will lead to a much bigger economic crisis that will kill many more people than Covid 

[birch-chorley]

1 minute ago, Sweep said:

Correct, we'll just keep borrowing and borrowing.

No matter what anybody thinks, we're not going to start chucking the oldies/vulnerable under the bus and start cracking on in the hope of herd immunity (that may or may not exist with this virus) - we're going to remain in the current situation of local lockdowns and various tiers of lockdown for the next 12-18 months

Less chuck them under a bus, more ask them to shield at home 

Certainly not ask them to ‘eat out to help out’ a few weeks before you shut the restaurant down 

[Boby Brno]

More tales of Woe from Central Europe.

https://www.expats.cz/czech-news/article/experts-fear-healthcare-staff-shortage-as-more-than-13-000-healthcare-works-have-covid-19?utm_content=article&utm_medium=article-banner&utm_campaign=article-banner&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR09Vt55xIAh4wEWfbOGTD0L5R28S3qWbMCCDzw-y_z-TU9S0aUQQs5Sm50
 

These are not elderly or vulnerable people.

[Carlos]

6 minutes ago, birch-chorley said:

Eventually the markets stop borrowing you money 

Rates are good now but will they be in the future 

This pandemic will lead to a much bigger economic crisis that will kill many more people than Covid 

It's a global market, they have 3 choices; don't lend, lend to us or lend to another country. You'd have a point if this was localised to the UK.

[Sweep]

1 minute ago, Boby Brno said:

More tales of Woe from Central Europe.

https://www.expats.cz/czech-news/article/experts-fear-healthcare-staff-shortage-as-more-than-13-000-healthcare-works-have-covid-19?utm_content=article&utm_medium=article-banner&utm_campaign=article-banner&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR09Vt55xIAh4wEWfbOGTD0L5R28S3qWbMCCDzw-y_z-TU9S0aUQQs5Sm50
 

These are not elderly or vulnerable people.

First wave, I think Czech was being lauded as a place that had handled it well........what the hell changed?

[Guest]

10 minutes ago, birch-chorley said:

Eventually the markets stop borrowing you money 

Rates are good now but will they be in the future 

This pandemic will lead to a much bigger economic crisis that will kill many more people than Covid 

You can’t have lockdown without recession.

 

[birch-chorley]

2 minutes ago, Carlos said:

It's a global market, they have 3 choices; don't lend, lend to us or lend to another country. You'd have a point if this was localised to the UK.

Many more choices than that to invest money 

Besides even if they were the only choices you then look at how different countries have been impacted 

Whilst the pandemic is universal, the impact its had is not. Our GDP has gone backwards twice as much as many other developed economies. Carry on racking up debt and smashing our economy more so than the other countries and we will have a significant problem on our hands in the form of higher interest rates on a bloated debt position 

[Sweep]

1 minute ago, birch-chorley said:

Many more choices than that to invest money 

Besides even if they were the only choices you then look at how different countries have been impacted 

Whilst the pandemic is universal, the impact its had is not. Our GDP has gone backwards twice as much as many other developed economies. Carry on racking up debt and smashing our economy more so than the other countries and we will have a significant problem on our hands in the form of higher interest rates on a bloated debt position 

Brexit is going to sort all that, you need to chill out and have a Juice Plus 😃

Edited October 27, 2020 by Sweep

[Carlos]

I'm not arguing about our GDP, I know nothing about it, but we aren't going to run out of money. Nurses aren't going to stop getting paid and stop turning in to work. I don't have a solution but lets at least stick to facts. I'll get back to work now anyway, I suspected that it was a mistake venturing in to here.

[Boby Brno]

10 minutes ago, Sweep said:

First wave, I think Czech was being lauded as a place that had handled it well........what the hell changed?

They handled it better than Germany who many thought were the example of successful control. The difference being the Czechs gave themselves a collective pat on the back and then ‘cracked on’ Germany continued with a more cautious approach though. 
 

[birch-chorley]

37 minutes ago, Carlos said:

I'm not arguing about our GDP, I know nothing about it, but we aren't going to run out of money. Nurses aren't going to stop getting paid and stop turning in to work. I don't have a solution but lets at least stick to facts. I'll get back to work now anyway, I suspected that it was a mistake venturing in to here.

Of course you would eventually run out of money 

We are spending money beyond our means at the same rate as we did in WW2 

My point was, given a viable vaccine could be years away, what point would you draw a line and put the economy first

To think that we could carry on like this forever with no impact on our ability to borrow and spend is for the birds 

[Winchester White]

East Lancs hospitals now have more Covid cases in hospital than the 1st wave I heard this morning. Crikey.

[Spider]

This news about antibodies seems a little discouraging.

How many antibodies do you need?