Coronavirus

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10 minutes ago, Sweep said:

That doesn't exist anymore though  -you can argue and kick and scream all you want about it, it no longer exists

"I can confirm that these Acts (1933, 1972) did not specifically abolish traditional counties so traditional counties still exist but no longer for the purposes of the administration of local Government ...”
Department for Communities and Local Government – 22nd August 2006

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2 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

"I can confirm that these Acts (1933, 1972) did not specifically abolish traditional counties so traditional counties still exist but no longer for the purposes of the administration of local Government ...”
Department for Communities and Local Government – 22nd August 2006

fair enough - to be honest, if anybody is really that bothered about what county they live in, then they clearly don't have enough going on in their lives 😉

 

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3 minutes ago, Sweep said:

fair enough - to be honest, if anybody is really that bothered about what county they live in, then they clearly don't have enough going on in their lives 😉

 

😀

[Zico]

1 hour ago, boltondiver said:

Not the real Lancashire, though; over 5m

I’ll find a link. You probably omitted Liverpool, Barrow etc

and, plenty of “greater Manchester” isn’t in Lancashire, of course.

 

1 hour ago, boltondiver said:

Here you go

https://citymonitor.ai/horizons/which-historic-english-county-has-highest-population-3386

not sure what your point is - but mine was that Melbourne is big to the tune of 5M, and strict lockdown with what seemsto be a compliant population has led to what as massive reduction in cases along with the rest of the country

16 straight days accord to JJ with no cases

presume he means Melbourne - the whole country has gone from 715 cases on 5th August to 5 on 13th November

in this time we've gne from 891 to 33k on 12th November

it can be done it would seem via lockdown

I'm sure there are other factors - but it looks like they did what they had to do, and they did it well

so fair play to them

but sweden...

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1 minute ago, ZicoKelly said:

 

not sure what your point is - but mine was that Melbourne is big to the tune of 5M, and strict lockdown with what seemsto be a compliant population has led to what as massive reduction in cases along with the rest of the country

16 straight days accord to JJ with no cases

presume he means Melbourne - the whole country has gone from 715 cases on 5th August to 5 on 13th November

in this time we've gne from 891 to 33k on 12th November

it can be done it would seem via lockdown

I'm sure there are other factors - but it looks like they did what they had to do, and they did it well

so fair play to them

but sweden...

No, the Aussies did well

hopefully it won’t return 

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54 minutes ago, Mr Grey said:

Yeah but Greater Manchester doesn't have a county cricket team, if we are not in Lancashire, who do we support at cricket ?

nobody, it's a shit sport

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53 minutes ago, ZicoKelly said:

 

not sure what your point is - but mine was that Melbourne is big to the tune of 5M, and strict lockdown with what seemsto be a compliant population has led to what as massive reduction in cases along with the rest of the country

16 straight days accord to JJ with no cases

presume he means Melbourne - the whole country has gone from 715 cases on 5th August to 5 on 13th November

in this time we've gne from 891 to 33k on 12th November

it can be done it would seem via lockdown

I'm sure there are other factors - but it looks like they did what they had to do, and they did it well

so fair play to them

but sweden...

Australia’s Economy only shrank by 7% vs our 20% 

That would indicate that our restrictions have been harsher and / or longer than those in Australia 

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-53994318

 

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Moderna just announced vaccine 94.5 % effective in trial

Also doesn't need to be stored at low temp

Edited November 16, 2020 by tyldesley_white

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44 minutes ago, birch-chorley said:

Australia’s Economy only shrank by 7% vs our 20% 

That would indicate that our restrictions have been harsher and / or longer than those in Australia 

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-53994318

 

Don't worry: kinnock jnr and a Tory on the box earlier. Both part of a cross party group working to increase manufacturing in the UK, so as to decrease percentage of service/leisure industry. 

Next pandemic should be less damaging. 

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2 hours ago, Mr Grey said:

Yeah but Greater Manchester doesn't have a county cricket team, if we are not in Lancashire, who do we support at cricket ?

Reckon Pakistan would have majority of Bolton cricket folks support. 😉

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5 minutes ago, Mr Grey said:

Aye Daubhill and Halliwell is a cricket county with Bolton's boundaries, gotta be some cricket talent around there, amongst the former mayor squashers 🤓

 

[Zico]

1 hour ago, birch-chorley said:

Australia’s Economy only shrank by 7% vs our 20% 

That would indicate that our restrictions have been harsher and / or longer than those in Australia 

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-53994318

 

but the reality is somewhat different, certainly in Melbourne

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-54686812

I have a client I work alongside based there - we've had zoom calls for work but ended spending most of the time talkibgn covid and discussed what we can and can't do - she didn't see her partner or folks for the duration for example, theres was defintiely stricter, and definitely more adhered too

112 days they had

think ours was 103 or thereabouts

to me it looks like ours was shorter and softer

[Tonge moor green jacket]

5 hours ago, Escobarp said:

Bacofoil is the strongest one. Although Costco do a big fuck off catering one if you’ve a big head. HTH

Fuck that. Some fuckers will be camping under pylons soon.

[Zico]

2 hours ago, boltondiver said:

No, the Aussies did well

hopefully it won’t return 

and if it did, I suspect they'd react quickly, and do it properly, and repeat till vaccine

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18 minutes ago, ZicoKelly said:

and if it did, I suspect they'd react quickly, and do it properly, and repeat till vaccine

Is it also easier to shut down areas, given neighbouring cities may be quite some way away?

Bolty will know, but I can't see folk commuting in the way we do. Perhaps transmission is easier to stop.

[Spider]

Melbourne went nuclear on their lockdown and it's worked.

That's all there is to it.

You needed written permission to be out and about, even to go to work.

They are now able to return to normal and control it from a position of power over the virus.

We are still at the mercy of it because we have weak leadership and a country full of fucking apes.

[Zico]

18 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Is it also easier to shut down areas, given neighbouring cities may be quite some way away?

Bolty will know, but I can't see folk commuting in the way we do. Perhaps transmission is easier to stop.

doesn't matter how far away other cities are - we're talking an area with a population of 5M - as said already - that's more than lancs and GM (the "north west" from cumbria to cheshire is 7.2M)

fact is, they saw the problem, didn't fuck around, locked down quick and strict, and now it's "gone away"

we fucked around, went in to slow, came out too late, weren't that strict, and it's still here and increasing

there economy has fared better for those who bang that drum

I'm sure there are other factors - probably the weather too

but the top level points are:

- numbers were similar

- they acted quickly

- people complied

- they waited till the numbers came right down

- then opened up again

that approach looks to have worked for them (and other countries we can probably in no way compare ourselves to either)

but assertive action and a compliant attitude towards what need to be done appears to "win" the day

Edited November 16, 2020 by ZicoKelly

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2 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Don't worry: kinnock jnr and a Tory on the box earlier. Both part of a cross party group working to increase manufacturing in the UK, so as to decrease percentage of service/leisure industry. 

Next pandemic should be less damaging. 

Plenty other economies who have very similar service sectors as ours have come out of this with much less economic damage (US, France, Italy etc) 

[birch-chorley]

2 hours ago, ZicoKelly said:

but the reality is somewhat different, certainly in Melbourne

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-54686812

I have a client I work alongside based there - we've had zoom calls for work but ended spending most of the time talkibgn covid and discussed what we can and can't do - she didn't see her partner or folks for the duration for example, theres was defintiely stricter, and definitely more adhered too

112 days they had

think ours was 103 or thereabouts

to me it looks like ours was shorter and softer

Melbourne is only 1 place though, each territory has different rules. On the whole Australia got away with a third of the economic damage that we did, that indicates clearly that they didn’t shut down as much business as we did in the first wave.

Found a bit here that compares Victoria to NSW as an example...

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-14/brett-sutton-says-cant-compare-nsw-vic-coronavirus-numbers/12761960

"In New South Wales, they're managing to keep the doors of businesses open, people employed, 

Found this for latest restrictions by state....

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/nov/13/australia-covid-19-lockdown-rules-coronavirus-restrictions-by-state-how-far-can-travel-interstate-border-social-distancing-nsw-victoria-vic-queensland-qld-wa-sa-act-how-many-people-over-house

Guess each country is different but our economic damage is worse than every other (apart from maybe Spain). So we have dealt with it much worse than the rest from an economic perspective 

Edited November 16, 2020 by birch-chorley

[Zico]

17 minutes ago, birch-chorley said:

Melbourne is only 1 place though, each territory has different rules. On the whole Australia got away with a third of the economic damage that we did, that indicates clearly that they didn’t shut down as much business as we did in the first wave.

Found a bit here that compares Victoria to NSW as an example...

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-14/brett-sutton-says-cant-compare-nsw-vic-coronavirus-numbers/12761960

"In New South Wales, they're managing to keep the doors of businesses open, people employed, 

Found this for latest restrictions by state....

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/nov/13/australia-covid-19-lockdown-rules-coronavirus-restrictions-by-state-how-far-can-travel-interstate-border-social-distancing-nsw-victoria-vic-queensland-qld-wa-sa-act-how-many-people-over-house

Guess each country is different but our economic damage is worse than every other (apart from maybe Spain). So we have dealt with it much worse than the rest from an economic perspective 

Aye, the original point was, Melbourne had the numbers and got them down by strict lockdown

I think personally the soft lockdown is why this will drag on and why our economy is being battered

I reckon if we'd had strictly implemented and adhered to regional lock downs along decent tracking and trace, we'd be in much better place now in all respects, certainty in terms of economic recovery

There's more places that suggest this is the quickest way to beat it so folk can crack on

I would say the late lockdown, soft option and early exit were all economically led decisions, and yeah, i agree, we've dealt with it much worse than most

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1 hour ago, birch-chorley said:

Plenty other economies who have very similar service sectors as ours have come out of this with much less economic damage (US, France, Italy etc) 

USA isn't in Europe though, which is what was being referred to. Dont know about their stats.

In the EU theyre not as big proportionally. More manufacturing. Hence we suffered more. This is one stat that hasn't changes since the media started discussing covid impacts.

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2 hours ago, ZicoKelly said:

doesn't matter how far away other cities are - we're talking an area with a population of 5M - as said already - that's more than lancs and GM (the "north west" from cumbria to cheshire is 7.2M)

fact is, they saw the problem, didn't fuck around, locked down quick and strict, and now it's "gone away"

we fucked around, went in to slow, came out too late, weren't that strict, and it's still here and increasing

there economy has fared better for those who bang that drum

I'm sure there are other factors - probably the weather too

but the top level points are:

- numbers were similar

- they acted quickly

- people complied

- they waited till the numbers came right down

- then opened up again

that approach looks to have worked for them (and other countries we can probably in no way compare ourselves to either)

but assertive action and a compliant attitude towards what need to be done appears to "win" the day

Your last sentence says it all. More compliance and acceptance of hard measures. Or at least authorities not worrying about the sensitivities of some individuals. 

That said proximity to other centres of population does make a difference. The further apart, the lower the proportion commuting. 

Sealing off the north west might have been useful to slow spread elsewhere, but not going to happen!

 

[Zico]

9 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Your last sentence says it all. More compliance and acceptance of hard measures. Or at least authorities not worrying about the sensitivities of some individuals. 

That said proximity to other centres of population does make a difference. The further apart, the lower the proportion commuting. 

Sealing off the north west might have been useful to slow spread elsewhere, but not going to happen!

 

Not some, all

And why was it not going to happen?

They actually did it, but was too late then, in terms of getting everyone on board, because of half arsed attempt that preceded it 

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My daughter moved to NSW a couple of months ago and she says you can hardly tell there's a pandemic and that her biggest problem is getting hold of Vimto.

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