gonzo Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 Sacked in the morning.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt. Aldo Raine Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 It's now been declared a mass casualty event Awful Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted March 26 Site Supporter Share Posted March 26 Terrible event. Trying to account for up to 20 people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
little whitt Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 1 hour ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Terrible event. Trying to account for up to 20 people. not that bad lucky it was night time in the day be Hundreds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 12 minutes ago, little whitt said: not that bad lucky it was night time in the day be Hundreds Think he might have seen it if it was in the day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royal white Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 Just now, gonzo said: Think he might have seen it if it was in the day Looks like a power cut, twice. Captain might keep his job. The amount of conspiracies going about already is frightening. Utter fruitloops Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meanderson93 Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 22 minutes ago, royal white said: The amount of conspiracies going about already is frightening. Utter fruitloops Yeah, I will say on first viewing it did look worryingly deliberate. But, on second viewing you can see the power issues and the smoke billowing out of the ship before it seems to lose power and drift into the bridge. Just a very unfortunate, tragic accident. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Spider Posted March 26 Site Supporter Share Posted March 26 Kate Middleton was captaining the ship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royal white Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 17 minutes ago, Spider said: Kate Middleton was captaining the ship. Joey Barton is all over this, saying it’s a woman in charge 🤦🏻🤪 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted March 26 Site Supporter Share Posted March 26 2 hours ago, little whitt said: not that bad lucky it was night time in the day be Hundreds Of course, though the poor guys working on it might view it a bit differently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted March 26 Moderators Share Posted March 26 5 hours ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said: It's now been declared a mass casualty event Awful 20 whats that, half an hour in gaza? some lifes so cheap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter White on Tyne Posted March 26 Site Supporter Share Posted March 26 2 hours ago, meanderson93 said: Yeah, I will say on first viewing it did look worryingly deliberate. But, on second viewing you can see the power issues and the smoke billowing out of the ship before it seems to lose power and drift into the bridge. Just a very unfortunate, tragic accident. According to lawyers there’s no such thing as a maritime accident. There will be an allegation of failure to exercise due diligence to make the ship seaworthy and blame that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not in Crawley Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 Thing is its all difficult to get thenpeople responsible - read this great book a few years back about the shipping industry - the sort if hidden world that brings you all 99% of your goods but is sort of invisible to most people. The flag a ship flysheet under has most of the time othing to do with that country. Its a very murky world, the crew are treated like shit - sometimes on a ship for 2/3 years. It's almost lawless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted March 26 Moderators Share Posted March 26 and thats just cross channel ferries Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt. Aldo Raine Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 13 minutes ago, Casino said: 20 whats that, half an hour in gaza? some lifes so cheap I'm not sure this kind of thing's really a numbers game Both are clearly tragedies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royal white Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 12 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said: Thing is its all difficult to get thenpeople responsible - read this great book a few years back about the shipping industry - the sort if hidden world that brings you all 99% of your goods but is sort of invisible to most people. The flag a ship flysheet under has most of the time othing to do with that country. Its a very murky world, the crew are treated like shit - sometimes on a ship for 2/3 years. It's almost lawless. Spent a few years working on the ocean waves. The conditions on some of the vessels are horrendous. In many cases the ones I were on had a Filipino crew with Korean officers. Horrible bastards in many (not all)cases. I was on a Chinese vessel once from Egypts to Sri Lanka, I lived off a pack of noodles 2 x chicken wings and 4 (fresh) buns a day. And I was being treated well! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt. Aldo Raine Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 19 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said: Thing is its all difficult to get thenpeople responsible - read this great book a few years back about the shipping industry - the sort if hidden world that brings you all 99% of your goods but is sort of invisible to most people. The flag a ship flysheet under has most of the time othing to do with that country. Its a very murky world, the crew are treated like shit - sometimes on a ship for 2/3 years. It's almost lawless. Any idea on the title? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not in Crawley Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 2 minutes ago, royal white said: Spent a few years working on the ocean waves. The conditions on some of the vessels are horrendous. In many cases the ones I were on had a Filipino crew with Korean officers. Horrible bastards in many (not all)cases. I was on a Chinese vessel once from Egypts to Sri Lanka, I lived off a pack of noodles 2 x chicken wings and 4 (fresh) buns a day. And I was being treated well! Now, I would love to have a pint with you and have a chat about the experience, facinating. I knew nothing about it like everyone else, but heard about this book and it was so interesting about something we all depend on and know pretty much nothing about. The stories about the crews are just insane. Its called 99% of Everything - really interesting/scary stuff. Freight shipping has been no less revolutionary than the printing press or the Internet, yet it is all but invisible. Away from public scrutiny, shipping revels in suspect practices, dubious operators, and a shady system of "flags of convenience." Infesting our waters, poisoning our air, and a prime culprit of acoustic pollution, shipping is environmentally indefensible. And then there are the pirates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not in Crawley Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 4 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said: Any idea on the title? Yeah sorry - 90% of Everything not 99% (that would be bonkers) heres a link on Amazon for it (to be shipped to you 🙂 ) https://www.amazon.com/Ninety-Percent-Everything-Shipping-Invisible/dp/0805092633 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royal white Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 5 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said: Now, I would love to have a pint with you and have a chat about the experience, facinating. I knew nothing about it like everyone else, but heard about this book and it was so interesting about something we all depend on and know pretty much nothing about. The stories about the crews are just insane. Its called 99% of Everything - really interesting/scary stuff. Freight shipping has been no less revolutionary than the printing press or the Internet, yet it is all but invisible. Away from public scrutiny, shipping revels in suspect practices, dubious operators, and a shady system of "flags of convenience." Infesting our waters, poisoning our air, and a prime culprit of acoustic pollution, shipping is environmentally indefensible. And then there are the pirates. My first job was a transit from Muscat to Egypt. On the vessel for 24hrs and one of the crew, who was a bit of an old sweat, decided to stab the bosun to death (it was also his cousin) port authorities wouldn’t take the dead body or the killer so the freezer was emptied and a wrapped up Bosun was placed in there whilst his cousin was locked in his cabin until Egypt. Some Of the crews were amazing though, mainly the Filipinos and Burmese, really good ambience on board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not in Crawley Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 1 minute ago, royal white said: My first job was a transit from Muscat to Egypt. On the vessel for 24hrs and one of the crew, who was a bit of an old sweat, decided to stab the bosun to death (it was also his cousin) port authorities wouldn’t take the dead body or the killer so the freezer was emptied and a wrapped up Bosun was placed in there whilst his cousin was locked in his cabin until Egypt. Some Of the crews were amazing though, mainly the Filipinos and Burmese, really good ambience on board. Now that's a book in itself! Yeah just seems as I say there a laws obviously but its a stretch to inforce them. Also with pirates, most captains thought the guy who Tom Hanks played in that film was an idiot - sailed far too close to coastline where the skiffs could get them and most sensible captains just don't venture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royal white Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 1 hour ago, Not in Crawley said: Now that's a book in itself! Yeah just seems as I say there a laws obviously but its a stretch to inforce them. Also with pirates, most captains thought the guy who Tom Hanks played in that film was an idiot - sailed far too close to coastline where the skiffs could get them and most sensible captains just don't venture. It’s a yank thing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter White on Tyne Posted March 26 Site Supporter Share Posted March 26 1 hour ago, Not in Crawley said: Now, I would love to have a pint with you and have a chat about the experience, facinating. I knew nothing about it like everyone else, but heard about this book and it was so interesting about something we all depend on and know pretty much nothing about. The stories about the crews are just insane. Its called 99% of Everything - really interesting/scary stuff. Freight shipping has been no less revolutionary than the printing press or the Internet, yet it is all but invisible. Away from public scrutiny, shipping revels in suspect practices, dubious operators, and a shady system of "flags of convenience." Infesting our waters, poisoning our air, and a prime culprit of acoustic pollution, shipping is environmentally indefensible. And then there are the pirates. I’d probably dispute that shipping nowadays is not free from public scrutiny and likewise the ITF have worked with shipping industry to make things better for crew. Most commercial oceangoing vessels are insured with UK/EU insurers who are not only answerable to strict compliance but actually promote welfare of the crew especially in healthcare and family contact when away. Nobody benefits if the crew are unhappy. Rewards for whistleblowers are also significant especially in US so anti pollution measures onboard are also strict and many operators are converting vessels to LNG or alternative fuel. It’s still not clean enough but as you say when 99% (or 96% just to be picky 😉) of what is imported comes by sea then it still averages out at a less per tonne than many other forms of transport. It’ll always be the case that those who pay to ship cargo are critical of the carrier when things go wrong and in the case of the “Dali” it’s going to cost the ship owners an absolute shitload unless they can find a defence as well as every single shipper who has a box on board under General Average. It’ll easy cost in the hundreds of millions if not more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted March 26 Moderators Share Posted March 26 2 hours ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said: I'm not sure this kind of thing's really a numbers game Both are clearly tragedies i think if we use the term 'mass casualty event' its worth considering numbers and the numbers are 20? what word do we use for gaza? it may say a lot about me or world events, but 20 folk dieing is hardly news these days Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt. Aldo Raine Posted March 26 Share Posted March 26 3 minutes ago, Casino said: i think if we use the term 'mass casualty event' its worth considering numbers and the numbers are 20? what word do we use for gaza? it may say a lot about me or world events, but 20 folk dieing is hardly news these days Mass casualty event simply means the local healthcare system is overwhelmed As to your broader point, compassion isn't finite and I'm unsure why events in Gaza mean sympathy can't also be expressed towards the people affected by a bridge collapse in Baltimore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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