barrycowdrill Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 3 minutes ago, Cheese said: So you can't do it then, after claiming you could do it in 30 seconds. No dick head I can do it but feeding that in to the club with any weight (or as much weight as the ST supposedly have) I can’t so why would I? But if the ST actually did some work and liaised with a wider group of the fanbase rather than their own self important cult then I’d be happy to air my views. As would many others so, jog on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Cheese Posted July 28, 2022 Site Supporter Share Posted July 28, 2022 (edited) 11 minutes ago, barrycowdrill said: No dick head I can do it but feeding that in to the club with any weight (or as much weight as the ST supposedly have) I can’t so why would I? You said it would only take you 30 seconds. No need for the abuse. 🙁 Edited July 28, 2022 by Cheese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrycowdrill Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 1 minute ago, Cheese said: You said it would only take you 30 seconds. No need for the abuse. 🙁 Don’t cause a disagreement for disagreement sake then you know exactly what I mean but you’d rather misinterpret no idea whether it’s a lack of attention from elsewhere or just an innate urge to balloon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Cheese Posted July 28, 2022 Site Supporter Share Posted July 28, 2022 9 minutes ago, barrycowdrill said: Don’t cause a disagreement for disagreement sake then you know exactly what I mean but you’d rather misinterpret no idea whether it’s a lack of attention from elsewhere or just an innate urge to balloon You made the claim, not me. 🤷♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrycowdrill Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 Just now, Cheese said: You made the claim, not me. 🤷♂️ Right ok let me clarify to answer either your awkwardness or stupidity could I bang something out in 30 secs across media platforms to gauge fan opinion? Yes could the ST? Yes with said opinions would i get anywhere with the club? No with said opinions would the ST get anywhere with the club? Possibly see the difference? so yes I can do it in 30 seconds but why would I when it wouldn’t get me anywhere. So can the ST which was my original point you’ve decided to pretend you don’t get night night Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter barryk32 Posted July 28, 2022 Site Supporter Share Posted July 28, 2022 (edited) What do us as fans want from the new fanzone #bwfc #boltonwanderersofficial #alltheotherbwfcaccounts. Job done. Thousands of replies. However. What they seem to have done is said "Great job Neil, you're amazing" Edited July 28, 2022 by barryk32 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter MickyD Posted July 28, 2022 Site Supporter Share Posted July 28, 2022 5 minutes ago, Cheese said: You made the claim, not me. 🤷♂️ Technically he didn’t. The claim was he could reach a cohort of like minded people. You changed that to all Bolton fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter MickyD Posted July 28, 2022 Site Supporter Share Posted July 28, 2022 45 minutes ago, Cheese said: So you can't do it then, after claiming you could do it in 30 seconds. He claimed no such thing. 1 hour ago, barrycowdrill said: It’s a piece of fucking piss these days to garner opinions, reach out to a cohort of like minded people, open up your own channels for people to feed in to i could do it now in 30 seconds with one simple hashtag across probably 5 or 6 avenues 53 minutes ago, Cheese said: I have no opinion of them, other than they are the only show in town. I'm not a member and have absolutely nothing to do with them. You just said it would take you 30 seconds to conduct a poll of all Bolton fans. So do it. It probably took you longer than 30 seconds to reply to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrycowdrill Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 1 minute ago, MickyD said: He claimed no such thing. Don’t bother pal it’s done on purpose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted July 28, 2022 Moderators Share Posted July 28, 2022 2 hours ago, Cheese said: Probably someone taking the piss out of them. Not exactly a group of young whipper-snappers are they? https://www.bwfcst.co.uk/about-us/board-members I think I know which one it probably is Maggie has a background in media One is a barrister They look experienced enough not to spend 99% of their income on one thing If it's right "they received £14992 and paid out £13918 to their IT bloke" then they seem desperate to spend, or, they know someone who will happily invoice whatever they ask Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo Posted July 29, 2022 Share Posted July 29, 2022 Wonder if they need a window cleaner? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted July 29, 2022 Moderators Share Posted July 29, 2022 13 hours ago, barryk32 said: Wow. @Zico Is £1,166.66 a month to run a website like that reasonable..... Or.... Do you suspect shenanigans? 13 hours ago, Cheese said: £7k was for "Website development" so that's virtually a one-off expense, so you can halve the "£14k a year to run their website" Fair enough though. At least they're transparent. had a look it runs of Joomla - which is free to download it has a template theme - which you download and install, then configure the colours - they are free too so setting up the site is just a question of time - for someone who knows what they are doing 1 day, 2 at a push if they set up the initial site structure and content - maybe add a day to get the paypal integration sorted but again, that's easy for someone who knows what they are doing £7k is excessive, totally, even if it included design of a logo for perspective I paid £750 for my branding, and built my site myself, and did content - all in about 3 days, and I hard/hand coded the main site because I wanted to, and set up wordpress for the blog, so it took a bit longer than normal re: ongoing costs I host my site on a server space that costs me £15 a month - that is more than sufficient for the average 3k sessions it has a month, and the email address that I use all day everyday it could be that they get loads of traffic and need a dedicated server well, it looks like they use this company to host the site https://www.memset.com/services/dedicated-server/ I would guess they need the £92 per month package, but even if they had been sold the extreme package for £450 a month, that still leaves £700 in ongoing expenses to keep the site up and running and it's not like someone is on there adding content all the time, they've added a post on the 10/07, and the last one before that was august last year someone, somewhere, is taking the piss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter barryk32 Posted July 29, 2022 Site Supporter Share Posted July 29, 2022 So to paraphrase. They can stick their request for a tenner up their arse the crooks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benny The Ball Posted July 29, 2022 Share Posted July 29, 2022 39 minutes ago, Zico said: had a look it runs of Joomla - which is free to download it has a template theme - which you download and install, then configure the colours - they are free too so setting up the site is just a question of time - for someone who knows what they are doing 1 day, 2 at a push if they set up the initial site structure and content - maybe add a day to get the paypal integration sorted but again, that's easy for someone who knows what they are doing £7k is excessive, totally, even if it included design of a logo for perspective I paid £750 for my branding, and built my site myself, and did content - all in about 3 days, and I hard/hand coded the main site because I wanted to, and set up wordpress for the blog, so it took a bit longer than normal re: ongoing costs I host my site on a server space that costs me £15 a month - that is more than sufficient for the average 3k sessions it has a month, and the email address that I use all day everyday it could be that they get loads of traffic and need a dedicated server well, it looks like they use this company to host the site https://www.memset.com/services/dedicated-server/ I would guess they need the £92 per month package, but even if they had been sold the extreme package for £450 a month, that still leaves £700 in ongoing expenses to keep the site up and running and it's not like someone is on there adding content all the time, they've added a post on the 10/07, and the last one before that was august last year someone, somewhere, is taking the piss Agree Whilst I dont think there is anything untoward in terms of false accounting or doing business with connected parties going on ,It does lead you to question their commercial judgement and common sense - after all these were the people who given the chance and cometh the hour were going to save and run the club !! I guess they have made a decision to try to expand their membership to justify their existence and believe social media expenditure will convert to increased membership It begs the question as to why someone with an IT/ media background was not recruited onto their board at the outset to do the work on a voluntary basis. It was an obvious and necessary skill set. Am sure we all know fellow fans who are more than capable and who work in that industry. The fact is their moment has gone, they now cloak themselves with affiliates that include a back street bar in Benidorm run by a couple of Wanderers fans, in order to try to reposition themselves as head of some sort of global supporters network, because the truth is they are desperate to remain somehow relevant. In my opinion their views on how the club should be run are no more relevant to BWFC and should be treated as such , than those expressed at the annual get togethers at the Wanderers Lottery Agents do's that used to be held down at Pembroke Hall. In fact , far less so because at least those agents ( who i do not mean in any way to disrespect in mentioning ) at least put money into the club One final point - To put their IT expenditure into context Pompey Supporters Trust which actually bought Portsmouth FC and had circa 2500 members and held nearly £3 million of fans money only had total administrative expenses at its height of circa £35k and for the last couple of years does not have any running costs - i guess its all done by well motivated volunteers. I guess that's what happens when you set out to be truly representative, inclusive and seek to avoid cliquism Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Carlos Posted July 29, 2022 Moderators Share Posted July 29, 2022 It all really depends, I’d cost you 7k a week. I know one of the blokes who helped write Joomla. You don’t need someone at our level to put a site together using it. The Atherton Colls site costs like £100 a year to host, then is updated by volunteers. They had someone who was doing them a new site for free. Someone has had them over, you have to question the governance here. It‘s a scandal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted July 29, 2022 Moderators Share Posted July 29, 2022 1 hour ago, Carlos said: It all really depends, I’d cost you 7k a week. I know one of the blokes who helped write Joomla. You don’t need someone at our level to put a site together using it. The Atherton Colls site costs like £100 a year to host, then is updated by volunteers. They had someone who was doing them a new site for free. Someone has had them over, you have to question the governance here. It‘s a scandal. aye I'm sure they could've found an avid fan in amongst all their members will do it for free or for next to fuck all if they'd wanted to which makes you wonder did they shop around for quotes on what it would all cost? if so, I'd be more amazed this was the cheapest i bet these would be more than reasonable based on their site content and testimonials https://www.boltonwebdesign.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter barryk32 Posted July 29, 2022 Site Supporter Share Posted July 29, 2022 I've had no reply on Facebook. Funny that. I really did expect one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BOWTUN BAKED Posted July 29, 2022 Share Posted July 29, 2022 53 minutes ago, barryk32 said: I've had no reply on Facebook. Funny that. I really did expect one. You'd think with the thousands they've spent on social media etc that someone would be monitoring it 🙄 🤔😂😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrycowdrill Posted July 29, 2022 Share Posted July 29, 2022 Must be wading through all of the renewal applications.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter MickyD Posted July 30, 2022 Site Supporter Share Posted July 30, 2022 On 29/07/2022 at 11:11, Benny The Ball said: they now cloak themselves with affiliates that include a back street bar in Benidorm run by a couple of Wanderers fans, in order to try to reposition themselves as head of some sort of global supporters network, because the truth is they are desperate to remain somehow relevant. I took a look at the groups they cite as ‘affiliates’ to the Supporters Trust and the ones they show off on their site are: A Benidorm bar, Norway Supporters Club, Lancaster Whites, Latin American (Argentina) Whites, Disabled Supporters Assoc., London Whites, Bolton Wanderers Supporters Assoc. (Their Chairman is on the ST board), Irish Whites. Of those I reckon some have possibly found the BWST instead of the BWSA and have now affiliated to the wrong one of two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royal white Posted July 30, 2022 Share Posted July 30, 2022 On 28/07/2022 at 22:49, MickyD said: He claimed no such thing. 😂😂 he just makes things up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Cheese Posted July 30, 2022 Site Supporter Share Posted July 30, 2022 46 minutes ago, royal white said: 😂😂 he just makes things up Rent free. Post a link to my personal Twitter account again. 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royal white Posted July 30, 2022 Share Posted July 30, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Cheese said: Rent free. Post a link to my personal Twitter account again. 😁 A little confused as to why you keep asking me to post links to your account. But here you are. @thedrunkchimp Edited July 30, 2022 by royal white Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Cheese Posted July 30, 2022 Site Supporter Share Posted July 30, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, royal white said: A little confused as to why you keep asking me to post links to your account. But here you are. @thedrunkchimp Post my facebook account next. Maybe my home address? 😁 Whatever floats your boat. #rentfree #stalker Edited July 30, 2022 by Cheese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
royal white Posted July 30, 2022 Share Posted July 30, 2022 Just now, Cheese said: Post my facebook account next. Maybe my home address? 😁 Whatever floats your boat. #rentfree You asked me to post links, I was happy to oblige. I thought it was quite cute how you changed your profile picture as soon as I posted the link 😂😂😘 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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