Site Supporter FrancisFogarty Posted December 15, 2024 Site Supporter Posted December 15, 2024 1 hour ago, kent_white said: It's you'reĀ Is it bollocks. Quote
Johnnyrotten Posted December 15, 2024 Posted December 15, 2024 4 hours ago, Cheese said: We've been a joy to watch under Evatt - until this season. Wembley made his head fall off. I agree last season we saw some superb entertainment (especially after Xmas the home games were generally great stuff), but we failed to win big games or local derbies other than Blackpool at home.Ā That's not a this season thing, that was present the whole of last season too, missing out on the top two was always happening because we couldn't win a pivotal game. Quote
Dr. Feelgood Posted December 15, 2024 Posted December 15, 2024 1 hour ago, bwfc4ife said: Maybe she is learning the hard way and thatās the problem? š® Is what I hear from people working there. Quote
Hoppy Posted December 15, 2024 Posted December 15, 2024 I think this season after last season getting so close to promotion is a bit of a let down, aĀ lot is down to IE building fans up saying how good we are best team in the league etc so we expect more and we have failed miserably it's the style of play that's disappointing he is better keeping his mouth shut and doing the business on the pitchĀ Quote
kent_white Posted December 15, 2024 Posted December 15, 2024 1 hour ago, Zico said: No it's not I know! š Quote
Johnnyrotten Posted December 15, 2024 Posted December 15, 2024 1 hour ago, Jol_BWFC said: But of those 13 games we played only 2 in the top 9 and we lost them both (aggregate of 0-7). We beat 10th, 11th (they had 10-men), 12th, 13th, 19th, 21st and 23rd. Drew with 22nd (they had 10-men) and 24th. Lost to 16th - Wigan. Averaging 2 points a game is automatic promotion form, but only promotion if the league started at Blackpool. Heās good enough to get us promoted from league one and a half. Heās not capable of being promoted from league 1. Perfectly put.Ā Although even that is qualified by the fact that Birmingham, Wycombe, Wrexham and Huddersfield would get as many points against the also rans that you mention, and only 2 clubs go up automatically, we'd be 5th best out of that lot.Ā Then its the play offs - which IE can't win. Quote
onefinfrandsen Posted December 15, 2024 Posted December 15, 2024 1 hour ago, Dimron said: I think we all need to avoid letting this get too personal and potentially abusive, our manager is a human being at the end of the day and has to his credit, had a steadying influence on the Club. i have thought for quite a while that everything has been getting too stale and a change is needed but I won't type anything I wouldn't say directly to anybody's face. Lets keep it reasonably civil chaps. Spot on , itās sometimes easy to forget what a basket case the club was when he first arrived. To stabilise and then drive us on, bringing the pride back to the club and the fanbase was/is a special feeling. It just feels like you say itās all gone a bit stale, maybe he should have walked away after the Wembley game as I feel his heart isnāt in it anymore.Ā Quote
Moderators Zico Posted December 15, 2024 Moderators Posted December 15, 2024 15 minutes ago, kent_white said: I know! š I'm very confused Quote
Underpants Posted December 15, 2024 Posted December 15, 2024 32 minutes ago, Stig said: Yes. The 4 nil loss v Huddersfield, the 2 nil loss v Brum and the 5 nil loss v Stockport all looked like fairly even games.... The division this season is more competitive than it has been any season we've been in league 1: more big teams taking points off each other meaning the points total for the play offs will be low, but all the way down to 12th will be competing for those spots. Given our record in pressure games against rivals that definitely makes it harder for us. And the fact 3 teams are still averaging over 2pts per game in this more competitive league shows there's still some outlier teams hammering everyone. We seem to have the worst of the season 2 years ago with 3 teams getting massive points hauls and a lot of competition for the remaining play off spaces. Stop exaggerating. I never said the games we got beat in were even. But I did say we have thrown away far too many points at home. I wouldn't say Huddersfield, Exeter or Wrexham are looking at us as easy. But they all took points off us. I can't be arsed going through the fixtures of everyone above us to see who they dropped points against.Ā But you can gerrymander your figures to back your argument up as much as you like. We are 8th in league that is nowhere near as tough as some would have you believe.Ā Quote
Dimron Posted December 15, 2024 Posted December 15, 2024 28 minutes ago, Johnnyrotten said: I agree last season we saw some superb entertainment (especially after Xmas the home games were generally great stuff), but we failed to win big games or local derbies other than Blackpool at home.Ā That's not a this season thing, that was present the whole of last season too, missing out on the top two was always happening because we couldn't win a pivotal game. I felt down this time last season and I vowed never to go ever again... then the buggers went and got 12 points out of the Christmas fixtures, I can't recall us ever doing that and had to eat my words... but then the wheels started to come off the wagon again Quote
Stig Posted December 15, 2024 Posted December 15, 2024 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Underpants said: Stop exaggerating. I never said the games we got beat in were even. But I did say we have thrown away far too many points at home. I wouldn't say Huddersfield, Exeter or Wrexham are looking at us as easy. But they all took points off us. I can't be arsed going through the fixtures of everyone above us to see who they dropped points against.Ā But you can gerrymander your figures to back your argument up as much as you like. We are 8th in league that is nowhere near as tough as some would have you believe.Ā Your argument seems to be that noone is very good, therefore Evatt will turn it around.Ā My counter argument is plenty of teams have looked better than us this season, the league seems just as strong as it has ever done and all the evidence (losing big games against promotion rivals, losing against local rivals) points to Evatt not being able to turn it around to get us promoted. Is there some other reason why you think Evatt will turn it around? Other than you think the league is weak Edited December 15, 2024 by Stig Quote
kent_white Posted December 15, 2024 Posted December 15, 2024 14 minutes ago, Zico said: I'm very confused The joke was pulling someone up on grammar but still getting it wrong. I imagined it would be much funnier than it actually turned out š Quote
Moderators Zico Posted December 15, 2024 Moderators Posted December 15, 2024 2 minutes ago, kent_white said: The joke was pulling someone up on grammar but still getting it wrong. I imagined it would be much funnier than it actually turned out š You cant pull off shit like that on here, far too subtle I feel a dick now for getting all grammar police on you, its not my style Quote
Site Supporter Popular Post Steejay Posted December 15, 2024 Site Supporter Popular Post Posted December 15, 2024 itās Quote
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Johnnyrotten Posted December 15, 2024 Posted December 15, 2024 19 minutes ago, Dimron said: I felt down this time last season and I vowed never to go ever again... then the buggers went and got 12 points out of the Christmas fixtures, I can't recall us ever doing that and had to eat my words... but then the wheels started to come off the wagon again Not sure why you'd not want to go again!Ā But I'd guess the reason we've never got 12 points at Christmas before (if that's true) is we've never had such kind fixtures: 2 from the bottom 5, Orient at home, and a player sent off against us in the other (and we still didn't score till injury time).Ā The 2 games either side were 1-2 v Bristol Rovers and 0-1 at Orient.Ā We weren't in good form this time last year, but the fixtures were kind which is absolutely key for us under IE.Ā Ā Everything changes when the difficulty of fixtures changes, and repeat. Quote
Underpants Posted December 15, 2024 Posted December 15, 2024 14 minutes ago, Stig said: Is there some other reason why you think Evatt will turn it around? Other than you think the league is weak No, basically that's it. Simple with no ambiguity.Ā Don't get me wrong. I have done a full on Barnstoneworth when I've got home after a match. I've slagged everyone off and been an absolute twat all weekend. But my main thoughts were generally, how the hell did we lose that? Not that we got beat by a far better side. The last time I think I thought that was when Ipswich dicked us at home two seasons ago.Ā Quote
Johnnyrotten Posted December 15, 2024 Posted December 15, 2024 21 minutes ago, Underpants said: No, basically that's it. Simple with no ambiguity.Ā Don't get me wrong. I have done a full on Barnstoneworth when I've got home after a match. I've slagged everyone off and been an absolute twat all weekend. But my main thoughts were generally, how the hell did we lose that? Not that we got beat by a far better side. The last time I think I thought that was when Ipswich dicked us at home two seasons ago.Ā We've only lost 3 at home in the whole of 2024, so unless you mean away games you can only be referring to the Huddersfield, Exeter and Wigan games.Ā IMO we were taken apart by far better sides, in some ways I'd love us to be unlucky, it would give us hope, but no we were miles from competing in any of those games.Ā In the other 7 home games, the opposition have given us a game, every team has either scored 1 or 2, or been level with us going into injury time.Ā Not one easy routine victory of the type enjoyed by the 3 that beat us. Quote
kent_white Posted December 15, 2024 Posted December 15, 2024 48 minutes ago, Steejay said: itās šš Quote
Underpants Posted December 15, 2024 Posted December 15, 2024 8 minutes ago, Johnnyrotten said: We've only lost 3 at home in the whole of 2024, so unless you mean away games you can only be referring to the Huddersfield, Exeter and Wigan games.Ā IMO we were taken apart by far better sides, in some ways I'd love us to be unlucky, it would give us hope, but no we were miles from competing in any of those games.Ā In the other 7 home games, the opposition have given us a game, every team has either scored 1 or 2, or been level with us going into injury time.Ā Not one easy routine victory of the type enjoyed by the 3 that beat us. I know Wrexham didn't beat us but I was just naming teams that have took points off us at home when we basically expected more. Wigan was obviously another. With us being 8th I believe it's not as tough as some make out. Quote
Whitesince63 Posted December 15, 2024 Posted December 15, 2024 3 hours ago, Underpants said: I'm a tolerant person. Maybe too tolerant. It doesn't make me a snowflake or a happy clapper. But I get the feeling that Evatt bashing is getting trendy. Yes, yesterday was a complete and utter shambles and embarrassment. Enough is enough for some. I get the outrage towards him and SB. Ā Expectations were high at the beginning of the season. Yes, we have pissed away far too many points, especially at home. But imo this league is piss poor and we are just another component of it. I'm of the opinion that Evatt will pull a rabbit from the hat. Tolerance has been my undoing in life plenty of times. But perseverance has prevailed too. I'm not here to change folks mind or to tell them they are wrong. My opinion may aggravate many but it shouldn't. Don't shoot me for it. Iām tolerant too but there is a limit. You may be right about him pulling a rabbit out of his hat, indeed I hope he does but sadly I fear you may be more likely to be disappointed. There is a lot to respect Evatt for, commitment, loyalty and a genuine hard work rate but you have to contrast that with his less commendable points, ego, stubbornness and a sometimes myopic view of events. We all want him to succeed but there comes a point where even the most optimistic become resigned to the obvious. Itās just not working and I think we all just have to accept it and face up to it and make the change whilst the season might still be saved. Quote
Underpants Posted December 15, 2024 Posted December 15, 2024 42 minutes ago, Whitesince63 said: Iām tolerant too but there is a limit. You may be right about him pulling a rabbit out of his hat, indeed I hope he does but sadly I fear you may be more likely to be disappointed. There is a lot to respect Evatt for, commitment, loyalty and a genuine hard work rate but you have to contrast that with his less commendable points, ego, stubbornness and a sometimes myopic view of events. We all want him to succeed but there comes a point where even the most optimistic become resigned to the obvious. Itās just not working and I think we all just have to accept it and face up to it and make the change whilst the season might still be saved. Like I said. I get and understand the anger. I have no real argument with it. But I mentioned it earlier it seems trendy to be seen to be after Evatts head. Its like a competition on who can be the most angry. I'm just another angle on the whole thing. I may sink but Im a sailor on HMS Positive on the choppy seas of negativity.Ā Lifeboats on standby. Quote
royal white Posted December 16, 2024 Posted December 16, 2024 8 hours ago, Stig said: Your argument seems to be that noone is very good, therefore Evatt will turn it around.Ā My counter argument is plenty of teams have looked better than us this season, the league seems just as strong as it has ever done and all the evidence (losing big games against promotion rivals, losing against local rivals) points to Evatt not being able to turn it around to get us promoted. Is there some other reason why you think Evatt will turn it around? Other than you think the league is weak Heās not played for Us for 5 yearsĀ Quote
Whitesince63 Posted December 16, 2024 Posted December 16, 2024 (edited) 7 hours ago, Underpants said: Like I said. I get and understand the anger. I have no real argument with it. But I mentioned it earlier it seems trendy to be seen to be after Evatts head. Its like a competition on who can be the most angry. I'm just another angle on the whole thing. I may sink but Im a sailor on HMS Positive on the choppy seas of negativity.Ā Lifeboats on standby. Pants weāve been drifting in your lifeboat on choppy seas for 3 years now and every time we spot land and look like getting there the captain drops the oar into the sea and we drift away again, recover the oar look like landing once more and the skipper drops it again. We can just about see land again in the distance this year but fear weāre running out of energy to make it and suspect this captain may drop the oar yet again. In our lifeboat wouldnāt it be a good idea to pass the oar to someone else who may not drop it this time?Ā Edited December 16, 2024 by Whitesince63 Quote
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