Brand Evatt

[tomski]

Just now, Traf said:

Let's sack him and find out.

It’s the right thing to do.

[Cheese]

3 minutes ago, tomski said:

I’d say keeping him in the role would impact his health more than reliving him of his duties. 

You'd obviously say that, whether you believed it or not. I'm sure his health will be fine either way. That's not the issue.

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

49 minutes ago, desperado said:

She’s probably still in this mindset, which up until the last few months I’ve been comfortable with, there’s too much reactive hiring and firing that goes on.

But I’d be more comfortable now if she was willing to amend her perspective! She surely has to see that the longer this goes on, the more counter productive this whole situation becomes.

That said, I can’t stand some of the abuse on social media, to Evatt and even more so to Sharon.

During the close season, when it was announced there had been a root and branch review (I'd love to find out what that entailed) and Evatt would be continuing, she said he and Markham "excel" in what they do

This was after our second failed attempt to win promotion via the play-offs

I obviously disagreed then and do so even more strongly now, but if she and the board were of that mindset at that stage, it's unlikely she and they have got to the position where they think he's no longer the right man to manage the club a few months after

There's also the point raised by @thebells this weekend that it might not be her decision

A right mess 

[Stig]

33 minutes ago, thebells said:

Was about to say the same. Grief for having a night out with his pals on Saturday is today’s example. 

Calling him egotistical, a cunt, stubborn, etc. Suggestions, with no basis, about the nature of his relationship with Sharon. Regardless of people’s football opinions, they’re human beings who piss, shit, laugh and cry like the rest of us.

 

 

He's just not a good enough football manager and should be sacked on that basis. 

The other noise is from people getting frustrated that the point above is being ignored.

[barrycowdrill]

If he still retains the backing of sharon and/or the Swiss mob and they view him and his ideas as excellent then quite clearly the players are the issue. They simply aren’t good enough to carry out his plan. Which to a degree I can understand because they’re playing in L1 for any number of reasons. Generally though it’s due to ability. 
 

his idea about how he wants to play, what he wants the players to do may well be better served at a higher level where they can be executed more effectively. That of course is debatable. 
 

however therein lies the problem. He isn’t at a higher level. The things he is trying to implement don’t seem to be working. So what’s the solution? Give him even more money to try and correct it. Bringing in a higher calibre of player? With absolutely no guarantees it will work? That becomes a very costly and time consuming exercise which the shareholders won’t want. 
 

The most cost effective and time saving solution is to part ways and identify a manager who has operated at this level with success. We don’t have to go from one polar opposite of pass pass pass to the other of lump lump lump but surely there is someone who operates within the middle… 

[Wullie]

Hi Contract expires June 2026, so they would have to pay him off before he goes

[Farnywhite]

46 minutes ago, Wullie said:

Hi Contract expires June 2026, so they would have to pay him off before he goes

Doubt they would have to pay him  for 2 years a lot of managers end up on garden leave then look for another job . If your out of the management game for 2 years you easily get forgotten about when other jobs come about 

[Dr. Feelgood]

1 hour ago, Farnywhite said:

Doubt they would have to pay him  for 2 years a lot of managers end up on garden leave then look for another job . If your out of the management game for 2 years you easily get forgotten about when other jobs come about 

It's highly likely there's a one-year notice in that contract. 

[Big E]

4 hours ago, thebells said:

Was about to say the same. Grief for having a night out with his pals on Saturday is today’s example. 

Calling him egotistical, a cunt, stubborn, etc. Suggestions, with no basis, about the nature of his relationship with Sharon. Regardless of people’s football opinions, they’re human beings who piss, shit, laugh and cry like the rest of us.

 

 

But he comes across in interviews as an egotistical, stubborn cunt. 
 

I also go off a referee who had dealings with him. Soon as he heard I was Bolton he was straight tell me how he was a right cunt to deal with. 
 

I’ve not called for his head at all match or chanted against him. I just don’t want him to particularly stay in charge. I accept he will though and it will be detrimental to bwfc. 

[Ani]

13 minutes ago, Big E said:

But he comes across in interviews as an egotistical, stubborn cunt. 
 

I also go off a referee who had dealings with him. Soon as he heard I was Bolton he was straight tell me how he was a right cunt to deal with. 
 

I’ve not called for his head at all match or chanted against him. I just don’t want him to particularly stay in charge. I accept he will though and it will be detrimental to bwfc. 

As much as I detest some of the shit on social media this week and it is over the top. IE does himself no favours in interviews. Calling fans disrespectful and say it is a ‘pile on’ is plain stupid. 
 

I posted earlier that he can come out with all the stuff about understanding the importance of the game to the fans and calling for us to stand together the week before the game. Then after the game blame everyone else. Total lack of understanding of our fan base. 

[Traf]

Just now, Ani said:

As much as I detest some of the shit on social media this week and it is over the top. IE does himself no favours in interviews. Calling fans disrespectful and say it is a ‘pile on’ is plain stupid. 

I don't like all the personal stuff on FB and X etc either, but the pile-on comments have pretty much invited folk to have a pop.

[Dr. Feelgood]

5 hours ago, tomski said:

I’d say keeping him in the role would impact his health more than reliving him of his duties. 

Agreed. He looks haunted. A clip from the interview BBC North West had was shown this evening & Mrs. Feelgood says "He looks haunted ... under severe mental strain".

[bwfc4ife]

It’s a great point because this isn’t the first time this has happened. He’s had a pop at the fans on more than one occasion. I wouldn’t say it’s a pile on at all, it’s just that more and more of the fan base are waking up to his bullshit and have had enough.
 

It’s clearly having an impact on him and the team and I’m astounded SB can’t see it for everyone’s sake. When it’s going well, he’s fine but when it isn’t he clearly can’t take being questioned and is arrogant in his own defence.
 

The social media stuff isn’t great and nobody deserves abuse to the degree I’m sure they receive it. The trouble is though when you’re in the public eye that’s what happens nowadays and to be fair part of the reason that ‘famous’ people and sporting people get paid so much money. They’re directly in the firing line more than ever. It’s easy enough to avoid though, just stay off it and remain neutral in your dealings with the press and problem solved. Social media is more trouble than it’s worth and serves no real purpose anyway. If his kids and family are on these platforms then what does he really expect especially with some of the shit he comes out with. 

[Whitesince63]

11 hours ago, barrycowdrill said:

If he still retains the backing of sharon and/or the Swiss mob and they view him and his ideas as excellent then quite clearly the players are the issue. They simply aren’t good enough to carry out his plan. Which to a degree I can understand because they’re playing in L1 for any number of reasons. Generally though it’s due to ability. 
 

his idea about how he wants to play, what he wants the players to do may well be better served at a higher level where they can be executed more effectively. That of course is debatable. 
 

however therein lies the problem. He isn’t at a higher level. The things he is trying to implement don’t seem to be working. So what’s the solution? Give him even more money to try and correct it. Bringing in a higher calibre of player? With absolutely no guarantees it will work? That becomes a very costly and time consuming exercise which the shareholders won’t want. 
 

The most cost effective and time saving solution is to part ways and identify a manager who has operated at this level with success. We don’t have to go from one polar opposite of pass pass pass to the other of lump lump lump but surely there is someone who operates within the middle… 

The problem with that argument Barry is that it doesn’t even work in the PL with those better players which you can see examples of every week. It’s a fashion and it will pass. If you operate one system all the time it’s not difficult for opposition managers to work you out even worse if you’re as predictable as Evatt.

[gonzo]

There was no passing about at the back on Saturday. It was get cut off and booting it long to Vic.

Our goals conceeded were just crap defending and being miles off the pace.

Every attack was stunted by players turning inside. A touch too many or a pass too many every single time.

We have no width or pace anywhere in the team.

 

[1969]

25 minutes ago, gonzo said:

There was no passing about at the back on Saturday. It was get cut off and booting it long to Vic.

Our goals conceeded were just crap defending and being miles off the pace.

Every attack was stunted by players turning inside. A touch too many or a pass too many every single time.

We have no width or pace anywhere in the team.

 

Agree with most of this, but I thought we ran off the pitch at half time pretty quickly 

[thebells]

2 hours ago, bwfc4ife said:

It’s a great point because this isn’t the first time this has happened. He’s had a pop at the fans on more than one occasion. I wouldn’t say it’s a pile on at all, it’s just that more and more of the fan base are waking up to his bullshit and have had enough.
 

It’s clearly having an impact on him and the team and I’m astounded SB can’t see it for everyone’s sake. When it’s going well, he’s fine but when it isn’t he clearly can’t take being questioned and is arrogant in his own defence.
 

The social media stuff isn’t great and nobody deserves abuse to the degree I’m sure they receive it. The trouble is though when you’re in the public eye that’s what happens nowadays and to be fair part of the reason that ‘famous’ people and sporting people get paid so much money. They’re directly in the firing line more than ever. It’s easy enough to avoid though, just stay off it and remain neutral in your dealings with the press and problem solved. Social media is more trouble than it’s worth and serves no real purpose anyway. If his kids and family are on these platforms then what does he really expect especially with some of the shit he comes out with. 

I think if you were on the receiving end you might consider it a pile on.

You don't know what SB can see - unless you're closer to her than you're letting on

If social media is more trouble than it's worth, and serves no purpose, why do you post on here? This is social media in another guise.

... and finally, justifying his kids getting abuse on social media because of things he says in an interview... come on.

 

Ian Evatt is under a lot of pressure. There are aspects of his personality that I am not keen on. But he hasn't actually said anything abusive about or to fans; he's simply defended his record and said he feels it's a pile on (feel free to quote otherwise if i am wrong)

 

What's actually happening here is that people don't like losing football games, they hold him responsible, and somehow think that calling him a cunt or questioning his private life is then acceptable.

It isn't.

 

[perth_white]

3 hours ago, bwfc4ife said:

It’s a great point because this isn’t the first time this has happened. He’s had a pop at the fans on more than one occasion. I wouldn’t say it’s a pile on at all, it’s just that more and more of the fan base are waking up to his bullshit and have had enough.

I have to take issue with this and think "waking up to his bullshit" is not an accurate characterisation of myself and, I suspect, others who now accept it is time for a new approach after supporting Evatt. I feel he has gone stale in the role despite giving it everything. I'm actually quite upset that I've come to that conclusion and I think others may be also. Not wishing to speak for others but I believe many of us are a long way from joining you and the others who view Evatt this way.

[mickbrown]

3 hours ago, gonzo said:

There was no passing about at the back on Saturday. It was get cut off and booting it long to Vic.

Our goals conceeded were just crap defending and being miles off the pace.

Every attack was stunted by players turning inside. A touch too many or a pass too many every single time.

We have no width or pace anywhere in the team.

 

Playing your wing backs on the wrong side will cause them to cut inside.
 

The thing that annoys me is that when it’s obvious to anybody it’s not working he’ll replace the wingbacks with two more playing out of position.

Schon was staring to look like a player. He’s ruined him in 3 games. 
 

Tactical genius that lad. 

[mickbrown]

1 hour ago, thebells said:

I think if you were on the receiving end you might consider it a pile on.

You don't know what SB can see - unless you're closer to her than you're letting on

If social media is more trouble than it's worth, and serves no purpose, why do you post on here? This is social media in another guise.

... and finally, justifying his kids getting abuse on social media because of things he says in an interview... come on.

 

Ian Evatt is under a lot of pressure. There are aspects of his personality that I am not keen on. But he hasn't actually said anything abusive about or to fans; he's simply defended his record and said he feels it's a pile on (feel free to quote otherwise if i am wrong)

 

What's actually happening here is that people don't like losing football games, they hold him responsible, and somehow think that calling him a cunt or questioning his private life is then acceptable.

It isn't.

 

Social media is horrific for stuff like this. 
 

But and it’s a big but, as mentioned above, Evatt has done himself no favours. 
 

We’ve had coaches sacked, player’s mentality questioned, the fans questioned, him ridiculously comparing himself to other Bolton managers.  
 

Not once has he seemed to think it might actually be down to him. 

[Traf]

There's not been a pile-on as such, but consider these basic (admittedly made-up) statistical possibilities.

Evatt has had a pop at the fans on at least half a dozen occasions (but doesn't like receiving it) probably more. So let's take an arbitrary fan base of 16,000 (approximately the number of season ticket holders) to start with and his 'pop' at the fans pisses 10% of us off.

Pop 1 takes 16,000 'happy' fans down to 14,400
Pop 2 takes 14,400 'happy' fans down to 12,960
Pop 3 takes 12,960 'happy' fans down to 11,664
Pop 4 takes 11,664 'happy' fans down to 10,498
Pop 5 takes 10,498 'happy' fans down to 9,448
Pop 6 takes 9,448 'happy' fans down to 8,503

And you've now pissed off almost half of your fan base. 

I admit the 16,000 & 10% used are arbitrary, but the see the pattern forming. 

[bwfc4ife]

1 hour ago, thebells said:

I think if you were on the receiving end you might consider it a pile on.

You don't know what SB can see - unless you're closer to her than you're letting on

If social media is more trouble than it's worth, and serves no purpose, why do you post on here? This is social media in another guise.

... and finally, justifying his kids getting abuse on social media because of things he says in an interview... come on.

 

Ian Evatt is under a lot of pressure. There are aspects of his personality that I am not keen on. But he hasn't actually said anything abusive about or to fans; he's simply defended his record and said he feels it's a pile on (feel free to quote otherwise if i am wrong)

 

What's actually happening here is that people don't like losing football games, they hold him responsible, and somehow think that calling him a cunt or questioning his private life is then acceptable.

It isn't.

 

I completely agree with what you've said there and i wasn't trying to justify any form of abuse. I was trying to point out that if you put yourself in the firing line then it's obvious what's going to happen. I know for a fact that if I was in his position none of my family would be publicly available online nor in a position to receive such nonsense from these idiots. 

[bwfc4ife]

51 minutes ago, perth_white said:

I have to take issue with this and think "waking up to his bullshit" is not an accurate characterisation of myself and, I suspect, others who now accept it is time for a new approach after supporting Evatt. I feel he has gone stale in the role despite giving it everything. I'm actually quite upset that I've come to that conclusion and I think others may be also. Not wishing to speak for others but I believe many of us are a long way from joining you and the others who view Evatt this way.

It's been stale since around the end of Feb last year, why has it taken everyone so long to wake up? Whilst i accept that people may have 'hoped' it would work out, in reality it just wasn't going to happen. 

I suspect the crunch time will be the boxing day game. When we get pasted Friday and turned over by Barnsley, i believe we'll all be getting a late Christmas present.

Edited December 17, 2024 by bwfc4ife

[gonzo]

57 minutes ago, perth_white said:

I have to take issue with this and think "waking up to his bullshit" is not an accurate characterisation of myself and, I suspect, others who now accept it is time for a new approach after supporting Evatt. I feel he has gone stale in the role despite giving it everything. I'm actually quite upset that I've come to that conclusion and I think others may be also. Not wishing to speak for others but I believe many of us are a long way from joining you and the others who view Evatt this way.

Aye this is where I'm at.

All this woken up, welcome aboard shite isn't for me. 

You'd have to be blind to see what our problems are. I personally don't see him as this arrogant bully that other folk do.

Nobody would give a fuck about his persona if we were winning football matches. Fergie and Jose were hardly nice blokes.

I just think he's ran out of ideas and the ones he's trying now are just desperate and he's quickly disappearing up his own arse. He's like a boxer on the ropes swinging wildly to get out of trouble.

He's forgotten about the basics. Fundamental basics of football.

It's shit all round. It would be an absolute miracle if he turned this ship round now. 

I just want it all to be over.

[perth_white]

16 minutes ago, bwfc4ife said:

It's been stale since around the end of Feb last year, why has it taken everyone so long to wake up? Whilst i accept that people may have 'hoped' it would work out, in reality it just wasn't going to happen. 

I suspect the crunch time will be the boxing day game. When we get pasted Friday and turned over by Barnsley, i believe we'll all be getting a late Christmas present.

Again, we weren't asleep we just looked at the same evidence and thought he could turn it around. I agree that looking back we can say that it's been bad for a year, I could counter with we were within spitting distance of the top two right until the end last season but you won't acknowledge that because you were right and we were sleeping happy clappers.

I agree it's time for a change but it doesn't mean I'm stood by your side. Also I don't think we'll get pasted on Friday and get turned over by Barnsley and if we do I won't be gleefully anticipating a "late Christmas gift". I believe it's time for a change but I don't believe we'll get one. Imagine singing 'Ian Evatt's Super White Army' as we win on the last day of the season to get promoted! I'd be delighted, would you?

Edited December 17, 2024 by perth_white