Meanwhile In England

[Spider]

looks guilty as fuck to me.

I assume Twitter is thanking Sir Keir and ripping Thatcher a new arsehole for this awful miscarriage?

[Tonge moor green jacket]

If he looks guilty then surely you'll be criticising SKS?

[DazBob]

1 hour ago, royal white said:

Yes but DNA isn’t always reliable 🙄

Struggling with this, aren't you?

[royal white]

7 minutes ago, DazBob said:

Struggling with this, aren't you?

Not at all. I’d like to see certain folk face the death penalty. Saving millions to the tax payer. You don’t because you don’t think DNA is always reliable. 

Edited May 14, 2025 by royal white

[DazBob]

31 minutes ago, royal white said:

Not at all. I’d like to see certain folk face the death penalty. Saving millions to the tax payer. You don’t because you don’t think DNA is always reliable. 

DNA evidence has been used to wrongly convict innocent people.

Whilst I will happily wish death upon some people, I also don't agree with the death penalty.

[royal white]

5 minutes ago, DazBob said:

DNA evidence has been used to wrongly convict innocent people.

Whilst I will happily wish death upon some people, I also don't agree with the death penalty.

So you’d happily wish death upon someone whilst knowing that they might be innocent. 

[Zico]

42 minutes ago, royal white said:

Not at all. I’d like to see certain folk face the death penalty. Saving millions to the tax payer. You don’t because you don’t think DNA is always reliable. 

It doesn't save millions though 

The days of being found guilty then wheeled out the back and executed are long gone

The average time on death row in the US is 20 years

It's more expensive to have some one on death row than life without parole 

https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/policy-issues/policy/costs

The death penal­ty is far more expen­sive than a sys­tem uti­liz­ing life-with­out-parole sen­tences as an alter­na­tive pun­ish­ment. Some of the rea­sons for the high cost of the death penal­ty are the longer tri­als and appeals required when a person’s life is on the line, the need for more lawyers and experts on both sides of the case, and the rel­a­tive rar­i­ty of exe­cu­tions. Most cas­es in which the death penal­ty is sought do not end up with the death penal­ty being imposed. And once a death sen­tence is imposed, the most like­ly out­come of the case is that the con­vic­tion or death sen­tence will be over­turned in the courts. Most defen­dants who are sen­tenced to death essen­tial­ly end up spend­ing life in prison, but at a high­ly inflat­ed cost because the death penal­ty was involved in the process.

[royal white]

8 minutes ago, Zico said:

It doesn't save millions though 

The days of being found guilty then wheeled out the back and executed are long gone

The average time on death row in the US is 20 years

It's more expensive to have some one on death row than life without parole 

https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/policy-issues/policy/costs

The death penal­ty is far more expen­sive than a sys­tem uti­liz­ing life-with­out-parole sen­tences as an alter­na­tive pun­ish­ment. Some of the rea­sons for the high cost of the death penal­ty are the longer tri­als and appeals required when a person’s life is on the line, the need for more lawyers and experts on both sides of the case, and the rel­a­tive rar­i­ty of exe­cu­tions. Most cas­es in which the death penal­ty is sought do not end up with the death penal­ty being imposed. And once a death sen­tence is imposed, the most like­ly out­come of the case is that the con­vic­tion or death sen­tence will be over­turned in the courts. Most defen­dants who are sen­tenced to death essen­tial­ly end up spend­ing life in prison, but at a high­ly inflat­ed cost because the death penal­ty was involved in the process.

Spoiler alert, we don’t live in America. Why do you think we would have to follow Americas lead? 

Edited May 14, 2025 by royal white

[Zico]

2 minutes ago, royal white said:

Spoiler alert. We don’t live in America, so why do you think we would have to followed Americas lead? 

Well I'm we'd have a similar robust legal process which would follow a similar fashion to those stated like longer trials, appeals etc

What do you think we'd do differently that would save us millions compared to life without parole?

[royal white]

Just now, Zico said:

Well I'm we'd have a similar robust legal process which would follow a similar fashion to those stated like longer trials, appeals etc

What do you think we'd do differently that would save us millions compared to life without parole?

Death penalty asap. Hence saving millions. That cunt from Southport would have been in the furnace the first night. That one alone would be saving the tax payer millions (and a screw a scold mark) 

[Zico]

3 minutes ago, royal white said:

Death penalty asap. Hence saving millions. That cunt from Southport would have been in the furnace the first night. That one alone would be saving the tax payer millions (and a screw a scold mark) 

It's a nice thought that we could save millions but I don't think that's going to happen, any time soon, or ever again

And even if it did

We wouldn't feel the benefit of the saving so it's not a good enough reason for me

 

[Cheese]

2 minutes ago, Zico said:

Well I'm we'd have a similar robust legal process which would follow a similar fashion to those stated like longer trials, appeals etc

What do you think we'd do differently that would save us millions compared to life without parole?

You're assuming he believes we should have such things as 'Legal Process'.

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

2 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Don't know what his initial sentence was.

Takes some bollocks to keep protesting your innocence, especially if it could cost you early release.

One of the curious things about it was that he was sentenced to life imprisonment with a minimum term of 16 years but was never released

I don't know if the fact he maintained his innocence was the reason why but I suppose it could be

He now has to prove his innocence beyond reasonable doubt to be eligible for compensation, and even then it's capped at £1M

[royal white]

3 minutes ago, Cheese said:

You're assuming he believes we should have such things as 'Legal Process'.

You mean give rights to someone like him in Southport? No fuck that fromage the legal process is done with him now.  

Edited May 14, 2025 by royal white

[royal white]

1 minute ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

One of the curious things about it was that he was sentenced to life imprisonment with a minimum term of 16 years but was never released

I don't know if the fact he maintained his innocence was the reason why but I suppose it could be

He now has to prove his innocence beyond reasonable doubt to be eligible for compensation, and even then it's capped at £1M

I think he then has to pay money to the prison service for housing and feeding him for 38 years 🤦🏻

[Chadderton]

On 12/05/2025 at 20:22, frank_spencer said:

I've a mate who makes by far a better cup of tea than I can, only really drink tea whenever he's brewing up.

Never squeeze the tea bag.

[DazBob]

36 minutes ago, royal white said:

So you’d happily wish death upon someone whilst knowing that they might be innocent. 

No.

I never said that. 

[royal white]

Just now, DazBob said:

No.

I never said that. 

So who would happily with death upon 

[DazBob]

1 minute ago, royal white said:

So who would happily with death upon 

Trump is one.

[Jol_BWFC]

2 hours ago, Traf said:

Enough to convict.

Enough to convict, but enough to kill?

[royal white]

8 minutes ago, DazBob said:

Trump is one.

Strange guy. 

[Not in Crawley]

I think RW believes reinstalling the death penalty will lead to folks being drag from the courtroom to the hangman's noose immediately.

 

[royal white]

1 minute ago, Not in Crawley said:

I think RW believes reinstalling the death penalty will lead to folks being drag from the courtroom to the hangman's noose immediately.

 

RW doesn’t think that. RW would like that.

[Zico]

36 minutes ago, royal white said:

RW doesn’t think that. RW would like that.

what if it was friends or family who you either knew or at least were pretty sure were innocent and had been stitched up or mistaken?

would you not want the chance to try and get it overturned and appealed?

this whole discussion started today because an innocent man got banged up for 38 years, whereas elsewhere he would've be sentenced to death

[royal white]

4 minutes ago, Zico said:

what if it was friends or family who you either knew or at least were pretty sure were innocent and had been stitched up or mistaken?

would you not want the chance to try and get it overturned and appealed?

this whole discussion started today because an innocent man got banged up for 38 years, whereas elsewhere he would've be sentenced to death

38 years ago, when mistakes were a lot more common. 

 

I’m not on about if I thought my relative was innocent. If my relative was, for example the Southport murderer, or the Yorkshire Ripper, or Harold shipman Id want them dead.