Meanwhile In England

[gonzo]

5 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

Going back to the has social media fuelled racism etc - this is a super interesting listen that covers this ground.

 

I read politics on the edge not so long back. Was really good. I like him.

Always good on LBC when I've caught it.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

Will listen to that later.

Social media- who'd have thought.

[Not in Crawley]

35 minutes ago, gonzo said:

I read politics on the edge not so long back. Was really good. I like him.

Always good on LBC when I've caught it.

Yeah good book that - got it for Christmas - his book The Places In-Between is also a good read.

[Not in Crawley]

27 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Will listen to that later.

Social media- who'd have thought.

Its sort of debates has it fuelled or actually more of a reflection of the politics of the time which in turn is a response to the current issues in the west. The whole series is a good listen actually about the nature of ignorance. My anxiety has gone through the roof last few months (getting evicted, moving house, work being crazy, kids being well...teenagers) and some of the stuff about middle aged ennui has really helped to sort of calm the mind from worries.

[Casino]

2 hours ago, London Wanderer said:

 

"They wanted me to issue an appeal for calm among all sorts of different communities in Rochdale.

"We've had a history of unfortunate division in our town and we do not want to go back to those days."

He said the family were "acutely aware" there were "extremists of all sides who are keen to hijack this incident for their own ends". 

"The family are not interested in that at all," he added.

Solid statement from the family of the fella kicked in the head. Some of the family are apparently police officers. 

 

i suspect the copper went way beyond and id be shocked if he ever coppers again

what i would say though is that the family should distance themselves from the lawyer they have engaged

bad egg, imo

[Casino]

2 hours ago, Manchester_whites said:

Akhmed Yakoob is a solicitor from Birmingham who is representing the 2 lads and is currently under investigation for using social media to make false claims of racism against a young school teacher. He is well known in Birmingham for stirring up shit. He tried to influence the voting in the General Election in Birmingham. Dangerous bloke 😡

sorry, mate

hadn't seen this

bad un

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

We've been much too lax and naive regarding Islamic extremist groups in this country, to the extent that Hizb-ut-Tahrir - an extremist grouped banned in much of the Arab world and in Mainland Europe - were permitted to hold a demonstration in London earlier this year calling for "Muslim armies" and jihad in response to events in Gaza, with the Met police publicly defending it

Thankfully, sense has since prevailed and Hizb-ut-Tahrir has now been proscribed as a terrorist organisation

Another example of the authorities' naivety would be the fact that two of the members of the Met's own counter-terrorism advisory board had to resign due to their own unsavoury views and associations

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

2 hours ago, Manchester_whites said:

Akhmed Yakoob is a solicitor from Birmingham who is representing the 2 lads and is currently under investigation for using social media to make false claims of racism against a young school teacher. He is well known in Birmingham for stirring up shit. He tried to influence the voting in the General Election in Birmingham. Dangerous bloke 😡

 

7 minutes ago, Casino said:

i suspect the copper went way beyond and id be shocked if he ever coppers again

what i would say though is that the family should distance themselves from the lawyer they have engaged

bad egg, imo

Perhaps the most concerning thing is that he won 33% of the vote in the recent Birmingham Ladywood constituency election

Second behind the Labour Party's Shabhana Mahmood, who won 42% of the vote

[Zico]

13 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

We've been much too lax and naive regarding Islamic extremist groups in this country, to the extent that Hizb-ut-Tahrir - an extremist grouped banned in much of the Arab world and in Mainland Europe - were permitted to hold a demonstration in London earlier this year calling for "Muslim armies" and jihad in response to events in Gaza, with the Met police publicly defending it

Thankfully, sense has since prevailed and Hizb-ut-Tahrir has now been proscribed as a terrorist organisation

Another example of the authorities' naivety would be the fact that two of the members of the Met's own counter-terrorism advisory board had to resign due to their own unsavoury views and associations

aye

like with terrorism

like with grooming gangs and peados

it's about how you deal with it

it will always be there, you can't kill completely it or resolve it by closing borders or blaming a particular wider group of people

you need to sort it quickly and efficiently when it rears its head before it can do long term damage and, in the case of terrorism, put as many measures in place to stop it reaching a wider audience, by going after the extreme ones at the source

don't be scared by any race or religion to get it fuckiing sorted

[London Wanderer]

45 minutes ago, Casino said:

sorry, mate

hadn't seen this

bad un

Sounds it

[royal white]

This is the type of policing we should be more worried/concerned about. These are the ones who should be suspended .

 

 

 

[Jol_BWFC]

2 hours ago, Casino said:

i suspect the copper went way beyond and id be shocked if he ever coppers again

what i would say though is that the family should distance themselves from the lawyer they have engaged

bad egg, imo

Facing a criminal investigation.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c19ky4z8kjmo

[deeane Koontz]

 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

Not sure what they can do differently on some of them.

Greatly outnumbered on the first for example, and others were potential flashpoints with many others around.

With the best will in the world some of those petite woman aren't going to be able to handle folk significantly bigger and stronger than they are.

There are plenty of examples of wussy policing though.

[royal white]

19 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Not sure what they can do differently on some of them.

Greatly outnumbered on the first for example, and others were potential flashpoints with many others around.

With the best will in the world some of those petite woman aren't going to be able to handle folk significantly bigger and stronger than they are.

There are plenty of examples of wussy policing though.

The woman in the first was utterly pathetic. 
 

The second doesn’t need any explanation, totally ridiculous. 
 

the 3rd you’ve got an Asian copper there doing absolutely nothing. 
 

And the least said about the 4th the better. 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

1 hour ago, royal white said:

The woman in the first was utterly pathetic. 
 

The second doesn’t need any explanation, totally ridiculous. 
 

the 3rd you’ve got an Asian copper there doing absolutely nothing. 
 

And the least said about the 4th the better. 

It looked that way no doubt, but what could she have done in reality?

Some big cunts like members of the watussi, creeping around behind her whilst she shouts at others.

Doesn't appear to be taser armed, so she's got little option.

The biggest disappointment is the attitude of passers by- filming and doing nowt, or assisting the offender.

I'll give you the Asian lad was a waste of space on the other- he favoured a rabbit in the headlights. 

[little whitt]

load of footy lads 

lets go brick Rochdale Police station 

A  nout will happen 

 

B  horses coppers with Riot gear 

Twattings all over 

banning orders all over 

[royal white]

Why do they have to meet with community representatives? 

[Cheese]

9 minutes ago, royal white said:

Why do they have to meet with community representatives? 

To calm things down? It's just human nature isn't it, to speak to and try to understand each other?

Edited July 26, 2024 by Cheese

[Tonge moor green jacket]

An attempt to calm the situation, especially so soon after Leeds.

Does make sense, provided there are genuine plans in place to tackle any serious fuck off. 

That includes long term.

These fuckers are up in arms over anything and everything. 

Copper was wrong and is being dealt with, but they're still not happy. Perhaps they would like to see his body swinging from a lamp post like their mates on Gaza.

Got to get serious with them at some point.

[Zico]

8 minutes ago, royal white said:

Why do they have to meet with community representatives? 

Police gonna police 

[royal white]

So pandering to them then, basically the police know they’re trouble causers? 

[Zico]

2 minutes ago, royal white said:

So pandering to them then, basically the police know they’re trouble causers? 

Sounds to me like the police know they're in the wrong and trying to calm things down to avoid carnage caused by their own actions 

[Cheese]

3 minutes ago, royal white said:

So pandering to them then, basically the police know they’re trouble causers? 

Why, what have they done?

[Tonge moor green jacket]

1 minute ago, royal white said:

So pandering to them then, basically the police know they’re trouble causers? 

To an extent yes.

What's the alternative at the moment?

That's why I said more serious long term planning- to ensure it can be dealt with if it properly kicks off.

At the moment, containment is the better option. 

I note that many arrests have been and are continuing to be made follow the Leeds trouble.

Let it calm down, and nail any law breakers afterwards.