Meanwhile In England

[Alf Hartigan]

That  clip  is troubling massively. I was in the police 89/2000. But I also agree with posts that the police have gone soft  since 

[Traf]

1 minute ago, London Wanderer said:

I can’t believe it’s even a debate.

And I’ve a lot of sympathy with the police. But he’s overstepped here. The lad had a cyst on his brain as a result, could have been worse.

 The only saving grace is if the lad was armed. I very much doubt it though & think the police would have said if so. 

Do we know for a fact the kicking caused the cyst?

Not that I'm condoning the kicking.

[London Wanderer]

2 minutes ago, only1swanny said:

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Until we know the facts, it can be seen from both sides, 

 

 

A fair point

 Let’s wait & see

[London Wanderer]

Just now, Traf said:

Do we know for a fact the kicking caused the cyst?

Not that I'm condoning the kicking.

Reported by the family. 
 

So no, not so all. Don’t know much for sure yet. Seems the police were in a very difficult position though. 

[royal white]

7 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

I can’t believe it’s even a debate.

And I’ve a lot of sympathy with the police. But he’s overstepped here. The lad had a cyst on his brain as a result, could have been worse.

 The only saving grace is if the lad was armed. I very much doubt it though & think the police would have said if so. 

Even if he wasn’t, if he was suspected to be armed I reckon he’d still have a case. 

[Jol_BWFC]

1 minute ago, royal white said:

Even if he wasn’t, if he was suspected to be armed I reckon he’d still have a case. 

Is he due his promotion and pay rise after the criminal investigation or before?

[royal white]

Just now, Jol_BWFC said:

Is he due his promotion and pay rise after the criminal investigation or before?

If the investigation is happening now then it can’t be before can it dummy. 

[Jol_BWFC]

Just now, royal white said:

If the investigation is happening now then it can’t be before can it dummy. 

Before or after it’s concluded?

[London Wanderer]

2 minutes ago, royal white said:

Even if he wasn’t, if he was suspected to be armed I reckon he’d still have a case. 

If he was threatening or had been attempting to take the firearm then yes, he’d have a case. I’d agree with you completely.
 

Criminal investigation now though. So time will tell. But if he wasn’t doing the above then you’d agree it’s dangerous policing no? 
 

fwiw I take back my ‘can’t believe it’s a debate comment’

[royal white]

Just now, London Wanderer said:

If he was threatening or had been attempting to take the firearm then yes, he’d have a case. I’d agree with you completely.
 

Criminal investigation now though. So time will tell. But if he wasn’t doing the above then you’d agree it’s dangerous policing no? 
 

fwiw I take back my ‘can’t believe it’s a debate comment’

If he wasn’t then you’d have to ask him why he did it, he will be pretty short of excuses though if it’s none of those mentioned. 

[London Wanderer]

4 minutes ago, royal white said:

If he wasn’t then you’d have to ask him why he did it, he will be pretty short of excuses though if it’s none of those mentioned. 

Sometimes coppers lose their shit & react to arseholes. Could be a costly mistake for him. 

[royal white]

I was at Manchester Airport on Tuesday, watched the whole thing unfold and it got me thinking Wow... That could have been me!

So when I get back from Majorca next week I'm applying to be an airport Police officer.
 

😉😂

[Zico]

1 hour ago, royal white said:

Or what he had been told even? 
 

Theres only a few people that know the rest of us are guessing off edited videos 

Why do you keep saying it's an edited video?  Are you suggesting something was caught on camera and then removed that tells a different story?

Or are you just guessing it might be edited because there must be a valid reason for booting him in the head, which we're not seeing?

[MancWanderer]

2 hours ago, Casino said:

When is it acceptable to kick a bloke prone on the floor, in the head?

If whatever has been said/happened before that video started was a clear and obvious threat to that copper, his gun, and his colleagues

Simple. And probably/possibly should have gone further. In other countries the bloke on the floor would have GOT DEAD

If not, then it’s not acceptable 

[royal white]

8 minutes ago, Zico said:

Why do you keep saying it's an edited video?  Are you suggesting something was caught on camera and then removed that tells a different story?

Or are you just guessing it might be edited because there must be a valid reason for booting him in the head, which we're not seeing?

Well It starts with him on the deck, is there no video of him before hand? And the other videos start when the police are shouting at the suspects. Strange there’s nothing before that don’t you think? 

[Spider]

Can anyone tell me why the Muslim community are involved, and in many cases saying it was racially and religiously motivated?

And is that ok?

[Guest]

5 hours ago, MancWanderer said:

If whatever has been said/happened before that video started was a clear and obvious threat to that copper, his gun, and his colleagues

Simple. And probably/possibly should have gone further. In other countries the bloke on the floor would have GOT DEAD

If not, then it’s not acceptable 

Don’t think it matters what happened before. He’s lying prone in submission. You cannot kick the bloke in the head there - whatever happened before has to be dealt with by the law not by a copper stamping on his head. 

[gonzo]

I simply reckon the lad has lost his shit after seeing his female colleague twatted by the lad. We have no idea what they were being held for. I've read one was being detained after his flight.

The optics for the copper are terrible. For many, including me,if your kicking off in airport, cause a threat, attacking women or resisting then its fair game. Copper is just unlucky there's cameras about. But that's not today's world.

As for it becoming some kind of race/religion thing, then that's on them.

People need to wake up and realise who is making this a divided issue. Why can't everyone just be appalled and crack on? Why have we got Muslim protests? Why are police meeting community leaders?

It's fuckin pathetic, and once again the establishment is bowing down and polarising the issue even further.

This is all on them. And it's just the way they like it.

 

[radcliffe white]

Apparently it started as one of the females refused to take her burka off and the lad kicked off 

[gonzo]

There's 100% a bit missing from all that I've seen. 

It goes from the two lads getting pepper sprayed, which looks a bit heavy to me tbf, and the subsequent struggle to the other dudes getting booted on the floor, who are different from the first two lads.

I'd be interested to see the bit in between. Where the turquoise lad and his mate comes in. Something obviously goes off behind where they are filming at first to cause the second bit. That ginger lass has been belted somewhere in it all.

Reckon PC George Thomason is probably giving her one so he's all pissed off and protective

 

 

[Guest]

Grim this.

https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/news/24478851.bolton-xl-bully-dog-bit-11-year-old-girl-leaving-scarred/

[Zico]

8 hours ago, royal white said:

Well It starts with him on the deck, is there no video of him before hand? And the other videos start when the police are shouting at the suspects. Strange there’s nothing before that don’t you think? 

I don't think it's strange, from the police statement it sounds like they had a go back and then it kicked off some more ending up with them getting tasered and on the floor

All fair enough in that respect 

Just don't boot them in the head then they are on the floor

[Zico]

2 hours ago, gonzo said:

I simply reckon the lad has lost his shit after seeing his female colleague twatted by the lad. We have no idea what they were being held for. I've read one was being detained after his flight.

The optics for the copper are terrible. For many, including me,if your kicking off in airport, cause a threat, attacking women or resisting then its fair game. Copper is just unlucky there's cameras about. But that's not today's world.

As for it becoming some kind of race/religion thing, then that's on them.

People need to wake up and realise who is making this a divided issue. Why can't everyone just be appalled and crack on? Why have we got Muslim protests? Why are police meeting community leaders?

It's fuckin pathetic, and once again the establishment is bowing down and polarising the issue even further.

This is all on them. And it's just the way they like it.

 

I agree that it should not be a divisive issue 

But its all on the cops 

Whatever happened in between, fact is the pepper spray was unnecessary and the boot in the head certainly was 

If that doesn't happen we don't get the public out cry 

I didn't see it as them getting battered because they are Muslim, but because the cops are cunts 

If the lads fight back then of course you taser them and do whatever it takes to get them in cuffs

No excuse for the head shot though

However now the police have got a situation they caused which they need to resolve before it gets worse

Go and see the leaders or whoever and assure them it wasn't a racial issue, but they need to make a statement that what happened wasn't fair game in any scenario against anyone of any background

[gonzo]

They just shouldn't have to though.

It's a just a mob of coppers being over the top with a set of lads.

Why do the Muslim socials have to get all over it and whip it in to race issue, us against then and all that. Amir Khan, MPs and various other prominent Muslims sticking their beaks in and flaring it all up.

They aren't doing it because the police we over the top on just some lads they are doing it because the lads are Muslim.

The police should say it's being investigated like any other case of over zealous police case.

It's all fucked up.

[Duck Egg]

12 minutes ago, gonzo said:

 

They aren't doing it because the police we over the top on just some lads they are doing it because the lads are Muslim.

The police should say it's being investigated like any other case of over zealous police case.

 

And that community are suggesting the lad was kicked in the head because he's a Muslim/ the colour of his skin. I've no idea whether that was a factor but I'm not surprised that some in that community believe it is.