Meanwhile In England

[kent_white]

5 minutes ago, bolton va va said:

I don't think Hitler was defeated with "more love ".

Many brave people gave their lives to defeat him & anti semitism, which makes the return of anti semitism to this country even more shameful.

We're not fighting Hitler though mate. Islamism is an idea. Albeit a pernicious idea that spreads through a feeling of injustice. It's not an army you can fight. And I'm not sure you can defeat an idea with guns. 

And I think you're right about anti semitism, and about all other forms of racism. 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

16 minutes ago, kent_white said:

We're not fighting Hitler though mate. Islamism is an idea. Albeit a pernicious idea that spreads through a feeling of injustice. It's not an army you can fight. And I'm not sure you can defeat an idea with guns. 

And I think you're right about anti semitism, and about all other forms of racism. 

You can crush the growth of radicalisation here with strength.

Unfortunately, that would be seen as too radical, extreme or whatever.

We aren't dealing with a group of people like others, and it needs a focused, specific set of policies. If that is seen as unequal then tough. 

Make it completely unacceptable here, and leave them to fuck up their own Islamic countries.

[kent_white]

13 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

You can crush the growth of radicalisation here with strength.

Unfortunately, that would be seen as too radical, extreme or whatever.

We aren't dealing with a group of people like others, and it needs a focused, specific set of policies. If that is seen as unequal then tough. 

Make it completely unacceptable here, and leave them to fuck up their own Islamic countries.

What about the idea that the authorities get stricter - but the general public does more to try and make connections with the communities that aren't openly hostile and make them feel accepted? Instead of alienating them? Which I think will only push more people into the arms of extremist groomers. 

[bolton va va]

1 hour ago, kent_white said:

We're not fighting Hitler though mate. Islamism is an idea. Albeit a pernicious idea that spreads through a feeling of injustice. It's not an army you can fight. And I'm not sure you can defeat an idea with guns. 

And I think you're right about anti semitism, and about all other forms of racism. 

I respect your views, I used to share them & don't claim to have the answer but i'd hoped that the muslims would assimilate more into this country by starting to move away from an over dependence on their faith ( not abandoning it ) but it seems to be heading the other way with muslim areas becoming more & more muslim & less British !!........just going down B/burn Rd  there are 2 more big mosques going up. increasing numbers of women showing anything but assimilation by wearing burqas ,foreign languages being spoken even by children & as others have said,it does sometimes feel like being a foreigner in our own town.

With this week alone there being 2 more grooming gangs, an attack on a synagogue & the murder of 2 Jews & growing anti semitism, it's getting harder to see the positives, & i can't see how showing "love" will turn this around, more likely be taken as a green light to go further !!..... though I'd struggle to give a realistic alternative ( or any that wouldn't be branded racist )

[Zico]

1 hour ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

Islam and Islamism are different things

One is a religion, the other is a political ideology

fair enough, just been looking it up

I agree

it's no different from ultraconservatism or neo-zionism for me

not sure how we defeat the more exterme elements whilst the relgions they are based on exist

[Zico]

2 hours ago, London Wanderer said:

The sun always rises my friend
 

 

1 hour ago, bolty58 said:

 The sun always rises. Thank you for clarifying oh learned one.

the sun doesn't rise

it's an illusion caused by the world spinning round

[kent_white]

7 minutes ago, bolton va va said:

I respect your views, I used to share them & don't claim to have the answer but i'd hoped that the muslims would assimilate more into this country by starting to move away from an over dependence on their faith ( not abandoning it ) but it seems to be heading the other way with muslim areas becoming more & more muslim & less British !!........just going down B/burn Rd  there are 2 more big mosques going up. increasing numbers of women showing anything but assimilation by wearing burqas ,foreign languages being spoken even by children & as others have said,it does sometimes feel like being a foreigner in our own town.

With this week alone there being 2 more grooming gangs, an attack on a synagogue & the murder of 2 Jews & growing anti semitism, it's getting harder to see the positives, & i can't see how showing "love" will turn this around, more likely be taken as a green light to go further !!..... though I'd struggle to give a realistic alternative ( or any that wouldn't be branded racist )

I know. It's hard mate. 

But however appealing the idea might be to some folk, these people aren't going away. So we've somehow got to find a way of living together.

There's inevitably going to be more terror attacks. But part of their motivation is no doubt to make integration harder. And radicalise other folk who might be wavering/or have been victims in war they might partly blame on the UK, or mentally ill. 

So if anything we need to work harder as individuals - and the people in power (whoever that might be) need to do a better job about controlling the numbers of people we accept. 

I still think we're probably not all that far apart in the way we think. And thanks for respecting my views even though they're different than yours. It's reciprocated! 👍

[bolty58]

2 hours ago, kent_white said:

😁 We're different strokes mate! 

I'm with the bish! ✌️

May the God I don't believe in help us.

[bolty58]

2 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Greens have grown as they have expanded and become increasingly focused on more left wing attitudes. 

Now that Corbyn et al have set their stall out, then the radicals have an alternative.

Absolute nutjobs. Thankfully they'll only get single digit percentage of the vote like last time. This time hopefully less than 6.7% thanks to that sultana Corbyn.

They'd have us living back in the dark ages.

[bolty58]

2 hours ago, kent_white said:

I've not had a look at what the Greens are saying for a long time. Or the Lib Dems. Maybe I should? As a radical and all! 😁

Don't. Not reet in the head that lot.

Thought further. Do. Every lost vote for the reds is a good thing.

Edited October 4, 2025 by bolty58

[bolty58]

35 minutes ago, Zico said:

 

the sun doesn't rise

it's an illusion caused by the world spinning round

Well I never. I'll check when I look over the edge of our flat Earth.

FFS 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

From our point of reference, the sun and the stars move around us.

That'll do for me, irrespective of the scientific accuracy.

Hopefully the sun is going down on the shower supposedly leading the country.

[kent_white]

8 minutes ago, bolty58 said:

Don't. Not reet in the head that lot.

Thought further. Do. Every lost vote for the reds is a good thing.

Did you see that woman singing at the Reform conference? 😁

[kent_white]

Just now, Tonge moor green jacket said:

From our point of reference, the sun and the stars move around us.

That'll do for me, irrespective of the scientific accuracy.

Hopefully the sun is going down on the shower supposedly leading the country.

I'd equate this to a football manager (possibly baking a cake) and about a month into a difficult job with people calling for his head because he's not turned things around in 4 weeks. 

Also they're having to build a squad of freebies because the club are in debt! 😁

[London Wanderer]

2 hours ago, Zico said:

 

the sun doesn't rise

it's an illusion caused by the world spinning round

Fck off 😄

[London Wanderer]

1 hour ago, bolty58 said:

Well I never. I'll check when I look over the edge of our flat Earth.

FFS 

I had you down as a flat earther 😄

[bolty58]

4 hours ago, kent_white said:

Did you see that woman singing at the Reform conference? 😁

'See'? I am a relative.

[bolty58]

2 hours ago, London Wanderer said:

I had you down as a flat earther 😄

No mate. You need to read more carefully. Flat tyre-er. Tractor tyre size around my midriff. Four of 'em.

A haven for stray corn flakes.

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

5 hours ago, kent_white said:

Did you see that woman singing at the Reform conference? 😁

"I'm an insomniac, I'm an insomniac..."

It wasn't even a political song, just one that she'd written herself

Fucking daft

[Dimron]

3 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

"I'm an insomniac, I'm an insomniac..."

It wasn't even a political song, just one that she'd written herself

Fucking daft

Oi

You are talking about our Mayor! 🤣

(I live in Lincolnshire)

[kent_white]

25 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

"I'm an insomniac, I'm an insomniac..."

It wasn't even a political song, just one that she'd written herself

Fucking daft

It's utterly mind boggling to me that people have watched that song, then the anti vax conspiracy theorist and thought to themselves.......

"Yeah, these guys look capable of running the country" 

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

25 minutes ago, kent_white said:

It's utterly mind boggling to me that people have watched that song, then the anti vax conspiracy theorist and thought to themselves.......

"Yeah, these guys look capable of running the country" 

Indeed

And add to that, inviting Lucy Connolly on stage for an interview

If they're going to be the next government like many people think, they'll need to get rid of that kind of thing first

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

Crazy

The father of this week's terrorist is also a doctor and once posted on social media that history will apologise to Hitler

[London Wanderer]

47 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

Indeed

And add to that, inviting Lucy Connolly on stage for an interview

If they're going to be the next government like many people think, they'll need to get rid of that kind of thing first

And it’s hardly news…

Imagine the outrage if Labour had invited someone on stage who was calling for people to be burned alive …

[burnden]

Nice to see the government have so much money to spunk away on foreign soil.