Moderators Casino Posted May 23, 2023 Moderators Share Posted May 23, 2023 Just now, Marc505 said: I'm thinking this way about Victor, a full pre season hopefully finding his place and his role. There's got to be a player in there for us somewhere Hes played a good number of games at our level and above so some of the 'hes never a footballer' stuff is clearly ott But you look who is saying it and move on What would be a worry is this season is the first hes really clicked on the goals front and even then a hat trick v FGR and a few penalties bumped that up I think hes judged as being dapos swap which is probably not fair....also, was it really 500k, which is a lot of money for us Anyway, hopefully by october, hes proved he is a footballer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 27 minutes ago, Casino said: I suppose In all the speculation about incomers, and we obvs need some, im equally interested to see if we hold on to our assets Johnston, morley, santos may attract interest No doubt john will be let go on a free Bit soon for toal Exactly how I see it in terms of saleable assets. Santos - top dollar but keep at all costs. Almost impossible to replace Morley - unlikely to attract a big fee, yet. Think it works for both parties for him to stay. Johnston - probably wouldn’t attract as high a bid as Santos but there’s definitely something in the fact that he’s young, English, good with ball at feet and has a good pedigree. However, if we had to sell one then I’d be cashing in because I think he gets targeted / found out on too many occasions against the bully boys in this league and we could replace him far more easily than Santos. Dempsey - arguably better / more important to us than Morley but I’d imagine his value is quite a bit less. Doubt we’d get a championship bid so it works for both us and him for him to stay. Toal - likely to be worth a lot more in the future. Too early for us to maximise profit and for him in terms of progression. John will go for nowt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter MickyD Posted May 23, 2023 Site Supporter Share Posted May 23, 2023 27 minutes ago, barrycowdrill said: Amazing isn’t it. Before Xmas everyone was saying they couldn’t see what he brought. Just shows what a bit of a run and confidence brings Must admit, having read Kachunga’s goodbye and the “thanks for your services” replies on Twatter my first thoughts were the lynchmobs calling him fit to burn, bone idle cunt, etc., following the Dion Charles sending off. At that time he was very much a bit-part squad player. Then, once given a longer run in the team it was realised he wasn’t as bad as first feared. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted May 23, 2023 Moderators Share Posted May 23, 2023 Johnstone def had somebody working for stoke looking at him before he got injured Id have thought he was too small for them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter desperado Posted May 23, 2023 Site Supporter Share Posted May 23, 2023 47 minutes ago, Johnnyrotten said: I don't think its realistic to expect a 31 year old to accept a 1 year deal especially in a league where he's one of the better players. From day one in August he's probably already wondering if he'll get another contract 9 months later. I'd give him 2 years personally because I think he's been unlucky with mainly freak injuries, but I don't have to justify it financially so respect whatever the club decides. But if we offer one year there's no way he'll be signing it until he's explored all other avenues (IMO). It’s a fair point - but whether it’s us or someone else, I’ll be surprised with his history if someone will stump up the gamble for 2 years. He clearly likes it here, he’s been happy, built up a good relationship up with fans and management, he’s got himself performing in a way that didn’t happen at Millwall. That might stand for a lot, if discussions go along the line of “If you get a good run, we see you being the main man up front, you are pivotal to the way want to play/evolve, you are still young enough to play at this level and above for a few seasons, doing it with a club/fans that love and appreciate you and have supported you. If, as we believe you can, you a consistently contributing to our push for promotion, by December we’ll negotiate an extension to your contract.” That may be incentive enough to get him signed on, initially on a short-term deal. As for Thomason, I’ve no idea why he’s popping up on this thread. He’s not on the retain/release list! Evatt has made it pretty clear with his contract extension, playing him in the run-in and speaking about his positive character, that he’s part of our future. If we are throwing in players on contracts, the let’s throw DJ in, first decent bid, get rid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitesince63 Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Johnnyrotten said: I keep hearing about Lee being injury prone but without checking he seems to be have been available for about 90% of games? I'd say he's one of the less injured players in our squad this season, someone will probably have stats on how many times players have been in the squad but he must be in the top half? Sadly he does suffer hip problems which was the main reason Wendies didn’t keep him and so it’s been a big bonus that he’s played so many games for us but time catches up with everyone and given it seems to have been a similar hip problem that’s kept him out of recent games it’s probably best to let him leave sadly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnyrotten Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 29 minutes ago, Casino said: Hes played a good number of games at our level and above so some of the 'hes never a footballer' stuff is clearly ott But you look who is saying it and move on What would be a worry is this season is the first hes really clicked on the goals front and even then a hat trick v FGR and a few penalties bumped that up I think hes judged as being dapos swap which is probably not fair....also, was it really 500k, which is a lot of money for us Anyway, hopefully by october, hes proved he is a footballer None taken 😃 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Cheese Posted May 23, 2023 Site Supporter Share Posted May 23, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, desperado said: As for Thomason, I’ve no idea why he’s popping up on this thread. He’s not on the retain/release list! Evatt has made it pretty clear with his contract extension, playing him in the run-in and speaking about his positive character, that he’s part of our future. Haha! Good point! Forgot about that. https://www.bwfc.co.uk/news/2022/december/thomason-signs-new-deal/ Edited May 23, 2023 by Cheese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big E Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 35 minutes ago, Casino said: Hes played a good number of games at our level and above so some of the 'hes never a footballer' stuff is clearly ott But you look who is saying it and move on What would be a worry is this season is the first hes really clicked on the goals front and even then a hat trick v FGR and a few penalties bumped that up I think hes judged as being dapos swap which is probably not fair....also, was it really 500k, which is a lot of money for us Anyway, hopefully by october, hes proved he is a footballer To be fair his stats are pretty poor for a striker when you look at his career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnyrotten Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 5 minutes ago, desperado said: It’s a fair point - but whether it’s us or someone else, I’ll be surprised with his history if someone will stump up the gamble for 2 years. He clearly likes it here, he’s been happy, built up a good relationship up with fans and management, he’s got himself performing in a way that didn’t happen at Millwall. That might stand for a lot, if discussions go along the line of “If you get a good run, we see you being the main man up front, you are pivotal to the way want to play/evolve, you are still young enough to play at this level and above for a few seasons, doing it with a club/fans that love and appreciate you and have supported you. If, as we believe you can, you a consistently contributing to our push for promotion, by December we’ll negotiate an extension to your contract.” That may be incentive enough to get him signed on, initially on a short-term deal. Must admit that could be a reasonable compromise, hadn't thought of that. Basically we guarantee you a year, and by January we'll let you know if its going to be extended - if not we'll tell you and you can find another club immediately or end of season. Hopefully that would be more attractive to him than 2 years at Fleetwood or Stockport! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrycowdrill Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 23 minutes ago, Casino said: Johnstone def had somebody working for stoke looking at him before he got injured Id have thought he was too small for them He did. They were here at the Plymouth game. Karacan was also here watching Thomasson for Millwall Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traf Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Casino said: Youd think folk wouldnt be so quick to judge this jans signings, after that Evatt has said as much himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
passmosster Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 Which Jan signings were anything like a success? Isn't Johnston Scottish? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantra Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 excluding loans and obvious releases GKs: currently 0 Need: 2 new keepers Comments: just needs sorting, doesn’t need to be Trafford level but can’t have another Dixon or Crellin. CBs: currently 4 - Jones, Santos, Toal, Johnston Need: 0 unless upgrade MJ 5 players for 3 spots if we renew MJ - which I probably would as the defence is probably the department that needs the least work/overhaul. CM: currently 3 - Dempsey, Morley, Thomason Need: A new CM that can compliment Morley’s passing range and Dempseys tenacity. If we had a true goal scoring midfielder that would be perfect. Comments: 5 players for 3 spots if we renew Sheehan and Lee. 6 if we renew MJ and count him. Personally would like to see a refresh here. Need more goals from midfield and a different dynamic. Maybe keep one of Sheehan or Lee and sign another while loaning out Thomason for development in League 2 or lower league 1. Wingbacks/Wingers: currently 4 (probably 2 though) - Iredale, Randell, John, Sadlier. Needs a real think this. Evatt said post match Barnsley we haven’t scored enough goals this season. Our wingbacks are expected to be very attacking players for us. Fossey, Bradley, John, Sadlier, Randell. None of them are defensive wingbacks. Is part of our lack of goals problem playing a back-5 system, even an attacking version? How we play this really depends on who is available to bring in. If we can get better quality wingers on loan/permanent deals than wingbacks then I’d love to see us move back to a 4-3-3. However seems more likely we will stick with the back 5. Since if Sadlier and John will leave, that means only Randell and Iredale are left. in which case need two new RWBs and that seems an easier recruitment task than signing wingers for both sides. Strikers: currently 3 - Charles, Victor, Jerome Need: 1 golden boy to partner Charles. Comments: 4 players for 2 spots if we sign Bodvarsson but again, depends if there is an upgrade we can get. My problem is if we sign Bodvarsson that means we really don’t have space for any more strikers and considering we’ve struggled to score enough goals this season, I do wonder if it would be best to try and find an upgrade to really match Charles. I love Bodvarsson but the risk of him being injured again is too high for me. Victor was a bit of a blue chip purchase for us and I really really hope he comes good next season but he needs to sort out that first touch and general ball control. I supported him all the way since Jan never gave him any grief but now the seasons over it’s clear he’s got a lot of improvement to do. Dempsey has shown it can be done so hopefully Vic can follow in those footsteps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arrested development Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 1 hour ago, MickyD said: Must admit, having read Kachunga’s goodbye and the “thanks for your services” replies on Twatter my first thoughts were the lynchmobs calling him fit to burn, bone idle cunt, etc., following the Dion Charles sending off. At that time he was very much a bit-part squad player. Then, once given a longer run in the team it was realised he wasn’t as bad as first feared. He didn't score a single league goal this season. And it's not the first time he's not scored a league goal in a full season. He scored some important goals in the Papa John's but bottom line is we can't be paying him 4k a week or whatever he's on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter desperado Posted May 23, 2023 Site Supporter Share Posted May 23, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, TrickyTrotter said: Kachunga on his way? I think he’s going to be all right Edited May 23, 2023 by desperado Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter only1swanny Posted May 23, 2023 Site Supporter Share Posted May 23, 2023 16 minutes ago, Arrested development said: He didn't score a single league goal this season. And it's not the first time he's not scored a league goal in a full season. He scored some important goals in the Papa John's but bottom line is we can't be paying him 4k a week or whatever he's on. How many starts though ... not subs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woolli Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 6 minutes ago, only1swanny said: How many starts though ... not subs Not really relevant. Sheehan, Dempsey, Morley have all had spells out of the team, and scored, unfortunately Katcha hasnt. Our manager doesnt think hes good enough either. Good luck to him, nice chap, but nowhere near good enough for a team with Championship ambitions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radcliffe white Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 15 minutes ago, only1swanny said: How many starts though ... not subs Might be wrong but think he’s started 15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc505 Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 2 hours ago, Casino said: Hes played a good number of games at our level and above so some of the 'hes never a footballer' stuff is clearly ott But you look who is saying it and move on What would be a worry is this season is the first hes really clicked on the goals front and even then a hat trick v FGR and a few penalties bumped that up I think hes judged as being dapos swap which is probably not fair....also, was it really 500k, which is a lot of money for us Anyway, hopefully by october, hes proved he is a footballer Oh aye, suggesting he's not a footballer (what does that even mean seen as that's clearly his job) is daft, the point is whether he's a footballer for us or not. As it stands jury is obviously out and questions are there as to why we signed him other than shit we need a forward ASAP, who can we get. If we can harness whatever his strengths are, or he can fit into what Evatt wants he could be a real asset. Big summer for him and us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Biggish Dave Posted May 23, 2023 Site Supporter Share Posted May 23, 2023 I've got a feeling we'll be getting the ball to the front men quicker next season so he will hopefully come good. We'll still try to play football but with players who are more adept to getting crosses in earlier and a more dynamic midfield. No idea why I think this, it could be total bull Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traf Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Biggish Dave said: I've got a feeling we'll be getting the ball to the front men quicker next season so he will hopefully come good. We'll still try to play football but with players who are more adept to getting crosses in earlier and a more dynamic midfield. No idea why I think this, it could be total bull It's as valid a theory as any other proposed, mate. I wouldn't mind seeing us go 4-3-3 with Jones and Iredale as full backs on occasions where we try something different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rizlar Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 Sheehan and Bod offered contracts MJ 1 year contract . Dixon and Lee released . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frank_spencer Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 Happy with that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUREADY2ROLL Posted May 23, 2023 Share Posted May 23, 2023 1 minute ago, frank_spencer said: Happy with that Yep me 2 pity about Lee but his fitness and age are a big risk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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